StarkillerAG

Axios said:

I think there is still alot of things wrong with the Naboo clip…AND I HATE THAT THERE IS. I dont like being the all negative guy here. I will list the things that I think keep it from being on par with the rest of the clips below. Honestly kind of leaning more towards just editing it out. The amount of work gone into it is super impressive but the absolute last thing I want is to watch this back with friends and not be satisfied/cringe at it looking too obviously fan made. I have to say it, but I think the work done here is amazing!

I think you’re being too nitpicky. If this clip was in the theatrical movie, I wouldn’t have any problems with it. I think it’s basically perfect right now.

jarbear said:

It’s a joke …

But that joke was implying that TROS ignored TLJ, which it didn’t.

jarbear said:

Hoop28 said:

Hal, have you considered having Luke speak to Ben during the Mustafar Opening or when he is repairing his mask? Maybe just a quick line like “Ben”, but something just to be consistent with Luke’s last words in TLJ of “see you around kid”.

Remember Rise of Skywalker is the true sequel of The Force Awakens, so it doesn’t really care either happened in the last movie. 😉

So many people bring up this complaint, but I’ve never understood it. There were plenty of references to TLJ throughout the movie. You can argue that the movie was thematically at odds with TLJ, but it didn’t ignore the previous movie like so many people claim.

The person who made that says that it’s going to be part of an alternate version of 4K77 called the “Skywalker Edition”. I’ve never heard of it, but oohteedee did a similar restoration of the panning shot on his D+77 version.

DuracellEnergizer said:

If J. R. R. Tolkien was as gifted an editor as he was a writer, I may have been able to finish reading The Lord of the Rings. As-is, the books are too frikkin’ bloated.

Preach, man. I stopped reading the books after I got to Tom Bombadil. The books are just way too long, with way too much boring unimportant stuff in them. I ended up watching the movies later, and really enjoyed them. They’re some of my favorite movies of all time. I guess I just don’t have the patience for Tolkien’s style of storytelling.

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

TLJ Hux began with a “yo mama” joke and then was slapped around like a ragdoll.

His character was deliberately reduced to a Jar Jar joke and there was no coming back from that.

Imagine if Empire started with Vader comically slipping and falling and then Han waves “LATER, YA BIG DORK!”

That would’ve killed the gravitas of the character from that point forward and probably killed ROTJ.

Hence “negative feedback”. I think there was room to come back from that, especially if you look at Yoda’s portrayal in ESB.

But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.

Point is, that plot line was thin in TRoS, and could have been fleshed out more or they could’ve dropped that subplot and given Hux the role Pryde filled in the final film.

I agree with this. Hux needed to return to his TFA levels of menace in TROS, and revealing that he was conspiring with Palpatine to return him to power, like was implied for Pryde originally, would be a great twist.

ATMachine said:

StarkillerAG said:

But would we still consider the originals “erased” if the only changes were recomped effects? That’s the approach the D+XX project takes, and I don’t see anyone kicking up a big fuss about how it’s not “really” original.

Maybe so, but it still would be getting rid of the groundbreaking effects that won the film an Academy Award.

Those efforts would still be there. All the original models would be preserved, just recomped for better quality. If anything, that would only emphasize how good the models were by presenting them in the best quality possible. And the other categories that Star Wars won, like creature design, editing, and music, would still be preserved in their original form.

TK42-WAN said:

I think the sabre hidden in the rocks should be Ben’s. The one we see in the flashback in TLJ. It could be easily implied that he abandoned his sabre after destroying the temple and that Luke found it and hid it the walls of his hut. Metaphorically, Rey is repairing Luke’s mistake. Also, it’s as if the force is aware that Ben has turned and is calling for his sabre to be returned to him.

Actually, he turned that saber into the cross-guard saber that he used as Kylo. If you look closely, you can see that the hilt designs are the exact same.

But would we still consider the originals “erased” if the only changes were recomped effects? That’s the approach the D+XX project takes, and I don’t see anyone kicking up a big fuss about how it’s not “really” original.

Cinefy said:

Hal 9000 said:

And just so everyone knows, in case you did not… Snooker sent me an updated version of the Naboo shot after seeing workprint #4. Just so everyone is on the same page, here is the most recent clip I have from her, in context:

https://vimeo.com/445085207

Would be cool if Naboo starfighter passed by.

I can get Battlefront II model if Snooker wants it.

I think Snooker said that she tried it, but it didn’t work well. Because of how small the Naboo fighters are in comparison to a Star Destroyer, they were barely noticeable.

I do really like that latest clip though. I think it’s pretty much perfect, I have no nitpicks at all.

Yeah, I’m also interested in watching the movie again with these perspectives in mind. I haven’t seen the full movie in a few years, so maybe I’ll gain a new appreciation of it.

Cinefy said:

The new Imperial march by John Williams was a really nice rescore.

Actually, it was originally intended for the Mustafar scene. The wayfinder was going to be in the ruins of Darth Vader’s castle, and there was going to be an establishing shot with that dramatic version of Vader’s theme playing over it. When they cut that shot, they moved the music cue to the Final Order reveal, where it works pretty well.

You may have a point there. The canon has always been unstable, even after Disney did a partial reboot.

But this conversation is pointless anyway. In the end, it comes down to whether you think it’s acceptable to call Anakin’s second saber Luke’s as well, and I personally think it is.

Well, this is… unexpected. I really hope you’re telling the truth.

Even if you are, I think the personal decisions of people working on the Clone Wars show is different than what the canon has been saying for years. Even after the show was aired, all canon sources still said it was 3 years.

Wookieepedia says it was 3 years long, in both versions of canon:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_Wars

I don’t know where you’re getting this “5 years” thing from, but it isn’t true.
Anakin and Luke had that saber for the same amount of time, so I think calling it Luke’s saber is completely valid.

Anakin Starkiller said:

idir_hh said:

He’s actually a professional film director in Spain. Probably got a lot on his plate.

Citation needed. Or is this a joke?

Jonh said it himself. I don’t remember the exact post, but I know he said it.

JakeRyan17 said:

How many replies saying it should be in another thread before it’s okay to tell those people to get back on topic?

How many replies saying that we should get back on track before you finally listen to me?

In case you didn’t hear me:

Yeah, it’s probably best to stop. This conversation was off-topic from the very beginning, I was just adding my opinion.

The common saying “It ain’t over till the fat lady sings” is actually taken from an ancient medieval custom. In order to announce the end of a battle, the winning side would hire an obese opera singer to sing the winning country’s national anthem.

dgraham414 said:

Guys there are discussion threads for this…

Yeah, it’s probably best to stop. This conversation was off-topic from the very beginning, I was just adding my opinion.

idir_hh said:

StarkillerAG said:

3. That scene of Luke almost stabbing himself was an alternate take that wasn’t used in the movie, and I didn’t like the “Obi-Wan’s gonna kill me” line anyways.

Wait that was a deleted scene?!
Do you have a source for that?

It’s not a deleted scene, it’s an alternate take of the scene in Obi-Wan’s hut. You can see a publicity shot of it here:

However, there is no equivalent frame in the actual movie.

JakeRyan17 said:

I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

But Luke’s saber had an established origin story, since Vader confirmed that Luke constructed it himself. Rey finally building her own lightsaber would be an important step on her character arc, just like it was for Luke.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.

A few criticisms of that:

1. I already said that I agree with Rian’s stance in theory. Lightsabers aren’t holy objects, and they shouldn’t be treated as such. I just feel like TLJ went too far.
2. The term “laser sword” never appeared in the OT. The only time it was used elsewhere was when Anakin realized Qui-Gon was a Jedi, where it was used to show his inexperience in the Force. The explanation of Luke being dismissive might make sense though. I guess I just don’t like Luke’s “sarcastic old man” attitude in TLJ.
3. That scene of Luke almost stabbing himself was an alternate take that wasn’t used in the movie, and I didn’t like the “Obi-Wan’s gonna kill me” line anyways.

G&G-Fan said:

Replace Palpatine’s speech in Revenge of the Sith with this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kLMNSq1c0c

Thought it was gonna be Palpatine’s Fortnite message.

Instead it was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.

Not to derail the thread, but I’d like to share my opinion on the whole lightsaber thing.

I agree with Rian’s sentiments, in theory. Lightsabers aren’t as mythically important as JJ made them out to be, and destroying the Skywalker saber was a great choice that symbolized the whole “letting go of the past” theme. I just don’t like how Rian went the complete opposite direction, treating the saber like a joke. With Luke throwing it over his shoulder, the CGI puffins playing with it, and Luke calling it a “laser sword” later on, it feels like an important element of Star Wars being treated like trash. Lightsabers aren’t sacred, but they aren’t a joke either.

But I do wish that Rey used her own saber in TROS. By far the best part of Trevorrow’s discarded script was Rey building a double bladed lightsaber out of her staff. Combine that idea with the yellow blade shown at the end of TROS, and you would have a wonderful, unconventional weapon for Rey to wield in the final movie.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

Probably because we don’t have the script that actually features her to determine.

Even if we had the script, she would probably still seem like a last-minute afterthought. Trevorrow has never been good at writing compelling villains, and the plot outline that was posted doesn’t feature her much at all. She shows up for the final fight, dies, and that’s her entire screen time. She feels like Darth Maul 2.0.

I’m not gonna doubt it, but it seems weird to be so definitive when we don’t have the script, only secondhand reports.

I know we can’t be definitive, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up for a magic script that fixes everything either. Judging by Colin’s earlier work, it doesn’t seem like he’s very good at franchise movies.