StarkillerAG

RogueLeader said:

I feel like someone has tried using Williams’ original cue from “Ways of the Force” from TFA before they replaced it with Burning Homestead in the final film, correct? If it fit, it could be a nice way to use an unused rendition of the Force theme, which feels appropriate to use with the appearance of all the Jedi. Maybe it didn’t fit and that’s why it’s not being considered?

Hal tried it, but it didn’t fit. It just didn’t feel triumphant enough for the final battle of the entire saga.

So, from what I’m understanding, restoring Star Wars professionally could be possible, it would just take a lot of effort.

Disney hasn’t exactly been synonymous with effort recently, so I’m still worried, but at least it’s a possibility.

So, it’s impossible to restore the original Star Wars to a professional level?

That’s a bummer, then.

idir_hh said:

Hal 9000 said:

The music. I also am not a fan of using Burning Homestead for the third time, but we just couldn’t find any other music to fit the moment.

Duel of the fates? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

It wouldn’t fit. It’s supposed to be a triumphant moment when the Force Ghosts rise up against Palpatine, and a cue originally intended for a battle scene wouldn’t really fit that.

Hal already added a minor repeat of DOTF during Rey and Kylo’s duel, so it isn’t really necessary to play it again.

thebluefrog said:

Hey.

We don’t talk about that abomination here.

We do when comparing it to that other abomination. 😉

That change was introduced in the 2004 DVD release, one of several minor visual enhancements made to the movie.

skenera said:

The amount of blue can easily be tweaked by increasing or decreasing the opacity of the de-blued clips before applying the LUT.
Comparison: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/7KZYLNNX

Holy crap, I forgot how bad the original Luke ghost looked. He looks like one of the ghosts from Ghostbusters 2016.

I think the full de-blue is too much, but the 50% version looks nice. It fits more with my expectations of what a Force Ghost should look like.

krausfadr said:

ANH Enchanced Edition Scene 38 part 1:
here’s an updated pass on integrating SC38 Reimagined: https://streamable.com/8o762x

Nice work! It’s looking much better already. The volume on the dialogue could be increased to stand out from the sound effects, but that’s pretty much my only major complaint.

We already know, he told us in the Return of the Jedi thread.

adywan said:

Work will resume of the Revisited edits on September 14th. 😁😁😁

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiAsWR4qU

Great news, Adywan! Glad to hear that your family is doing well, and that you’ll be able to keep working on these edits.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I guess with it only being Kylo, it didn’t bother me that no one else talks about Palpatine during the bulk of TLJ. To me, the First Order doesn’t know until the broadcast. There aren’t really any other lines of dialogue except trying to escape and then Rey & Leia on the Falcon at the very end. Then TROS starts with finding the message, and everyone on Ajan Kloss asking if the Emperor could really be back.

If you can think of lines from TROS that could be added to the films earlier, I have clean audio for it to work with. It just doesn’t feel necessary to me.

I guess you could contrive a justification, but it still feels weird to me. I still think that Hal’s approach, coupled with adding Palpatine’s introduction to the end of TLJ, is the option that makes the most narrative sense.

I guess leaving it as late and as subtle doesn’t fix the problem for me. In narrative story structure, the threat and conflict is introduced at the end of the first act. Leaving any of that primary conflict and threat out of The Force Awakens keeps the abrupt about-face change up in the third film, or even at the end of the second.

That would be the ideal, yes, but I don’t think it’s achievable through editing alone. The writers for the trilogy should have either gone full-on with the “They Saved Palpatine’s Brain” plot, or just stuck with Kylo and the First Order. It’s a problem with the writing, that editing can’t fix. I’m just searching for a way to slightly rectify the problem, while still feeling as natural as possible.

I realise that, I’m explaining why this felt more natural to me.

I know, and I’m explaining why I feel it isn’t achievable by trying to contrive it in editing. It just doesn’t feel seamless in my opinion.

Watching the full thing in context, I feel like it’s closer.

I’m ignoring information from outside of the films, obviously, such as how much time passes between films, etc. So, it’s not a year of no one mentioning Palpatine, the next movie starts with the heroes trying to confirm the message and the First Order being restructured.

Hux’s annoyance and being specifically anti-Kylo makes more sense with Kylo playing both (evil) sides since he didn’t know about Palpatine and viewed the First Order soldiers as his in The Last Jedi. To me it smoothed over a lot of those rough edges.

My cuts aren’t as drastically restructured though, and I haven’t seen Hal’s cuts to see how they compare.

Again, if you had ideas how to make them less contrived, which kinda feels like an aggressive word to keep flinging at me in a “radical” redux thread, I’m all ears.

Just watch Hal’s edits to see what I mean. They’ve added quite a few subtle hints at the true forces behind the First Order, without altering the plot too much. If you want more obvious teasing of Palpatine’s return, watch Poppasketti’s TLJ edit as well. He added Palpatine teases to the entire movie, culminating in Palpatine telling Kylo to find him. Those edits tease Palpatine’s return pretty much perfectly in my opinion, and you should really check them out.

I don’t know if that’s entirely accurate. From what I understand, the CGI is 1080p, but the live-action/model parts are in the full quality of the negative. So most of it is in native 4K, just not the added Special Edition effects.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I guess with it only being Kylo, it didn’t bother me that no one else talks about Palpatine during the bulk of TLJ. To me, the First Order doesn’t know until the broadcast. There aren’t really any other lines of dialogue except trying to escape and then Rey & Leia on the Falcon at the very end. Then TROS starts with finding the message, and everyone on Ajan Kloss asking if the Emperor could really be back.

If you can think of lines from TROS that could be added to the films earlier, I have clean audio for it to work with. It just doesn’t feel necessary to me.

I guess you could contrive a justification, but it still feels weird to me. I still think that Hal’s approach, coupled with adding Palpatine’s introduction to the end of TLJ, is the option that makes the most narrative sense.

I guess leaving it as late and as subtle doesn’t fix the problem for me. In narrative story structure, the threat and conflict is introduced at the end of the first act. Leaving any of that primary conflict and threat out of The Force Awakens keeps the abrupt about-face change up in the third film, or even at the end of the second.

That would be the ideal, yes, but I don’t think it’s achievable through editing alone. The writers for the trilogy should have either gone full-on with the “They Saved Palpatine’s Brain” plot, or just stuck with Kylo and the First Order. It’s a problem with the writing, that editing can’t fix. I’m just searching for a way to slightly rectify the problem, while still feeling as natural as possible.

I realise that, I’m explaining why this felt more natural to me.

I know, and I’m explaining why I feel it isn’t achievable by trying to contrive it in editing. It just doesn’t feel seamless in my opinion.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I guess with it only being Kylo, it didn’t bother me that no one else talks about Palpatine during the bulk of TLJ. To me, the First Order doesn’t know until the broadcast. There aren’t really any other lines of dialogue except trying to escape and then Rey & Leia on the Falcon at the very end. Then TROS starts with finding the message, and everyone on Ajan Kloss asking if the Emperor could really be back.

If you can think of lines from TROS that could be added to the films earlier, I have clean audio for it to work with. It just doesn’t feel necessary to me.

I guess you could contrive a justification, but it still feels weird to me. I still think that Hal’s approach, coupled with adding Palpatine’s introduction to the end of TLJ, is the option that makes the most narrative sense.

I guess leaving it as late and as subtle doesn’t fix the problem for me. In narrative story structure, the threat and conflict is introduced at the end of the first act. Leaving any of that primary conflict and threat out of The Force Awakens keeps the abrupt about-face change up in the third film, or even at the end of the second.

That would be the ideal, yes, but I don’t think it’s achievable through editing alone. The writers for the trilogy should have either gone full-on with the “They Saved Palpatine’s Brain” plot, or just stuck with Kylo and the First Order. It’s a problem with the writing, that editing can’t fix. I’m just searching for a way to slightly rectify the problem, while still feeling as natural as possible.

JakeRyan17 said:

I guess with it only being Kylo, it didn’t bother me that no one else talks about Palpatine during the bulk of TLJ. To me, the First Order doesn’t know until the broadcast. There aren’t really any other lines of dialogue except trying to escape and then Rey & Leia on the Falcon at the very end. Then TROS starts with finding the message, and everyone on Ajan Kloss asking if the Emperor could really be back.

If you can think of lines from TROS that could be added to the films earlier, I have clean audio for it to work with. It just doesn’t feel necessary to me.

I guess you could contrive a justification, but it still feels weird to me. I still think that Hal’s approach, coupled with adding Palpatine’s introduction to the end of TLJ, is the option that makes the most narrative sense.

I still don’t think introducing Palpatine so early really works, JakeRyan. It raises the uncomfortable question of why Palpatine’s name is never spoken during the entire runtime of TLJ, even among the First Order. It feels too much like a fan edit, and not enough like something intended by the filmmakers.

My suggestion for connecting Palpatine to the first two movies would be just adding subtle hints, like Hal did in his edits. He did a great job adding teases of Palpatine without making it too obvious. Then, you could include Kylo meeting Palpatine at the very end of TLJ, as a “one year later” flash forward. It would be a nice sequel hook to get people excited for the next movie, and it would allow for Palpatine to be introduced earlier without feeling weird.

jarbear said:

I appreciate the motivation of adding music cues, but I do agree with Hal, in that music is pretty much associated with Jar Jar and mesa got some bad vibes from dat.

Although I can appreciate music cues, but it shouldn’t be used “for the sake of filling in gaps.”

Limiting/not having music cues/notes/sounds/etc. it just as important as using them. It’s a balancing act.

Yeah, just look at Empire Strikes Back for an example of that. Almost the entire movie was scored by John Williams originally, but quite a bit of the music was removed in post, just because the scenes sounded better with no music.

Take the duel between Luke and Vader, for example. Here’s the scene with the original music score:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq1Y7HXivCQ
And here’s the scene as it is in the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ_voJl29eE

Although the music is good on its own, it doesn’t fit the tone of the scene, and it’s just more tense with no music.

No cleaned up versions have ever been released. All these attempts have been by fans.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Also a nice mirror for when Obiwan loses his head later (Spoilers)

I’m pretty sure we’ve all seen this movie before. 😉

JakeRyan17 said:

Is there a single spot with all of the OT deleted scenes? I’ve searched a bunch and have heard people talk about restorations and such, but can never find them.

They’re on the 2011 Blu-ray box-set, on the OT bonus features disc. They’re on the recent 4K box-set as well.

It’s set to private, so we can’t see it. You’ll need to set it to public.

I sent you a PM with the invite code, Sand.

Maybe it’s just because I don’t have the nostalgia from seeing the original movie in theaters, but I’ve never had a problem with the “A New Hope” subtitle. Sometimes I call the theatrical version “Star Wars '77”, but most of the time I just call it by the episode name, just like every other Star Wars movie.

It can be found on forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com. You need an invite code, so I’ll send you one in a PM.

I don’t have any specific examples of that, just that some of the faster-paced strikes aren’t matched very well. I guess that makes sense, since ANH only had sound effects for the slow-paced original fight, but some improvements there would be welcome.