StarkillerAG

I think the version in the workprint is better. It matches up with the characters’ reactions more.

krausfadr said:

Alderaan destruction enhanced:

Rough clip: https://youtu.be/wzvgr1GzljI

Seems intriguing. I like the idea of Alderaan “shattering” rather than simply exploding, it matches the scene where the Falcon arrives more. The two jump cuts used in the new explosion are a bit rough, though. Maybe you could somehow smooth it out digitally?

4throck said:

StarkillerAG said:

Tantive3+1 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Tantive3+1 said:

I mentioned this earlier but the scenes between Han and Leia need to be more intimate.

Quick, someone find out if Carrie Fisher has ever done a sex scene in her career! 😉

You don’t need that. Cutting out the love triangle with Luke is a first step.

I know, I was joking. It’s a reference to some of the conversation that was going on in the prequel redux thread recently. Someone was trying to add a sex scene between Anakin and Padme, using footage from another Natalie Portman movie.

That scene works well in the context of Episode III. But on Jedi no.

I already told you, I WAS JOKING! Of course Han and Leia shouldn’t have sex on screen.

Darth Vader movie? Hell yes.

Christopher Nolan? Hell no.

JakeRyan17 said:

Knight of Kalee said:

I know I’ve complained a bit about the nostalgic music themes being overused in the sequels, but this idea really resonated with me:

https://youtu.be/qVDXwkmgUXY?t=125

I like how that version of the Force theme now establishes a parallel between two Skywalkers being set free (Anakin freed from slavery and Tatooine, Ben freed from the dark side and his inner conflict).

Oddly it does remind me of the prequels in an odd way too.

That’s because the music is actually from the prequels, in the scene where Anakin says goodbye to his mother.

Tantive3+1 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Tantive3+1 said:

I mentioned this earlier but the scenes between Han and Leia need to be more intimate.

Quick, someone find out if Carrie Fisher has ever done a sex scene in her career! 😉

You don’t need that. Cutting out the love triangle with Luke is a first step.

I know, I was joking. It’s a reference to some of the conversation that was going on in the prequel redux thread recently. Someone was trying to add a sex scene between Anakin and Padme, using footage from another Natalie Portman movie.

Ewok007 said:

How does one get there hands on 4k77 nowadays? I’ve been trying to find it forever but keep getting caught on needing an invite for their forum before I can access downloads. Would kill to add this to my collection as it looks gorgeous.

One of the most convenient options is finding it on torrent sites. You can find it by going on duckduckgo.com and searching “4K77 torrent”. That will bring up several options for downloading.

Tantive3+1 said:

I mentioned this earlier but the scenes between Han and Leia need to be more intimate.

Quick, someone find out if Carrie Fisher has ever done a sex scene in her career! 😉

You remember wrongly. Besides the changed crawl, no visual changes were included on any home video releases before 1997.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Lemme rephrase this: The Master always escapes.

This ain’t a Doctor Who episode either. 😉

Idk. I like the Prequels but the Prophecy I can take it or leave it. Doesn’t really do much either way.

Anyway, Palpatine coming back as a clone feels super cheap and cheesy. Besides, Palpatine is one of the two most powerful mortal Force users in the Galaxy (the other of course being Yoda). And I ain’t talking potential and mid-chlorian counts, just in terms of what they are capable of. Therefore, it stands to reason that it is plausible for him to survive being thrown down a reactor shaft. Luke survived such a fall no problem. Yes, there was also Force lightning, but it was his Force lightning, so it’s reasonable to suggest he had enough control over it to at least not kill himself. Then again, that’s how he dies in TRoS and has his true face revealed in RotS, so who knows. But hey, points for poetry for having every trilogy end with Palpatine electrocuting himself.

Did you even watch the scene? He literally EXPLODED after Vader threw him down that shaft. Just spontaneously combusted with a burst of evil energy. There’s no way his body could have survived that.

And I still don’t see how Palpy in TROS being a clone is any more “super cheap and cheesy” than a plot point plucked straight out of 30’s Flash Gordon serials and 70’s Doctor Who episodes.

Nah, sounds too MIDI for the scene. I think the Force theme mixed with Rey’s theme that Hal is including in his edit is probably the best choice.

NeverarGreat said:

Three words: Ming always escapes.

Sorry, but this ain’t a 30’s serial. It’s 2020, audiences expect more complicated storytelling than just “he escaped.”

Anakin’s sacrifice is also clarified - His intention becomes unequivocally one of saving his son rather than doing another murder.

But the whole Chosen One thingy is about him destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the force. If he didn’t actually kill the last Sith, that makes the whole thing seem really stupid. I know some people didn’t like the prophecy, but that doesn’t mean you can just ignore it and pretend it never happened.

At least with him being a clone, you can justify that he technically died, but just came back a shell of his former self. Palpatine surviving Anakin’s sacrifice pretty much renders the entire George Lucas saga pointless.

Disney blocked it already. Maybe you could upload to Vimeo?

Knight of Kalee said:

The Star Wars main theme actually was developed as Luke’s theme and is used as such in the original trilogy.

It started out as Luke’s theme in A New Hope, but quickly evolved into its own theme throughout the movies. So I don’t have any sort of problem with it being used for moments where Luke isn’t on-screen. I mean, the VERY FIRST TIME it was used, Luke hadn’t even been introduced yet, so it’s pretty much a moot point in my opinion.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Sure, but the thing is a lot of people criticised the score’s reliance on nostalgia rather than genuine emotion… like using the main theme usually reserved for the crawl when the civilian fleet shows up doesn’t elicit emotion, but rather an eye roll.

Hey, don’t speak for me, that moment was great. Whether or not a musical theme “works” in context is entirely subjective, and certainly not the fault of the composer.

The previous eight films had really impactful scores, and some of the new pieces of music made for TROS are great… but the way they’re used in the film (or rather, the way they’re not used in the film) is the issue.

That I can agree with, although it’s mainly the fault of the editor. There are so many great tracks on the OST for the new movie that were partially unused in the movie, being tracked over with soundbites from the previous movies. That’s what gave the soundtrack it’s overly nostalgic feel.

I didn’t speak for you, I spoke for myself and mentioned how a lot of other people agreed. If you like it, you like it.

But you made it sound like almost everyone thinks the music in that scene was dumb, when a lot of people (including me) really liked it. Of course you can speak for yourself, but don’t assume your opinions represent the majority.

It wasn’t the editor, the editor doesn’t move the score around. An editor will work with a temp score, and then the composer will write music for the scenes. The director may have things changed, but it would still go back to the composer (or, more likely, someone on Williams’ team) to be finalised and then mixed at Skysound. Editors don’t deal with final audio.

Sorry, that’s what I meant. A lot of the music was shuffled around in post, so I referred to the editor directly, but it is a multi-step process.

Rodney-2187 said:

Williarob said:

Interesting that they can sell 4K80 even before it’s been finished or released! Maybe I should buy a copy to see how it turns out.

Spaceballs the Videotape!

Oops. I went back and looked again. This is what it says:

“Since I do not own the content on the discs, I cannot sell them. If you would like the 6 discs included, please send a message and I’ll gladly include them FREE. Again, to be clear, I’m selling the artwork & cases for these. If you would like the discs included, they will be added for FREE. I’m just a one man operation, so the cost is to cover materials & time spent putting these together. I lovingly recreated the artwork of the original CBS FOX VHS releases in the format of these 2-sided Criterion size cover art inserts & had the artwork professionally printed on the same stock as normal studio blu-ray insert art.”

Disc 1. Star Wars: Project 4K77 (DNR Version, 1080p) - blu-ray (BD25)
Disc 2. Star Wars: Harmy’s Despecialized Edition v.2.7 - blu-ray (w/Bonus Features BD50)
Disc 3. The Empire Strikes Back: Harmy’s Despecialized Edition v.2.0 - blu-ray (w/Bonus Features BD50)
Disc 4. The Empire Strikes Back: TN1 35mm “grindhouse” scan (has not been cleaned up or had DNR applied) 1080p blu-ray (BD-25)
Disc 5. Return of the Jedi: Project 4K83 (DNR Version, 1080p) - blu-ray (BD25)
Disc 6. Return of the Jedi: Harmy’s Despecialized Edition v.2.5 - blu-ray (w/Bonus Features BD50)

That’s somewhat legally questionable, but at least it’s not blatantly illegal like some of these eBay deals. Selling the cases and cover art, even without the discs, is still a dick move though.

Rodney-2187 said:

The Rise of Skywalker

I’m sorry, what? There’s no way that movie can be considered anywhere near the quality of the first two. I didn’t like the other sequels very much, but they were still much better than that movie.

SilverWook said:

StarkillerAG said:

In my opinion, the original Star Wars will only be released after George Lucas dies. Disney clearly wants the original versions to be released, but they will never have the guts to go against his wishes while he’s still alive. After he dies, they’ll probably still hold off the release for a few years in order to avoid seeming insensitive, but after a while they’ll release the original.

After dumping his final production Strange Magic and blowing off his ideas for the sequels, I have doubts that they are really that considerate of his wishes.

But those were done in a very low-key way, not really in public view. I doubt they’d go against Lucas’ wishes publicly, especially not to the degree of visibility that a release of the OOT would have.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I don’t like the clone body idea. I prefer having his original body survive.

But I think it just raises too many questions. How did his body survive exploding TWICE? How did he survive being in the vacuum of space for who knows how long? How did the Sith Cultists know he was alive, and find his body amid all the wreckage? It makes much more sense for Palpatine to have a contingency plan involving clones, like in the novelization.

JakeRyan17 said:

Sure, but the thing is a lot of people criticised the score’s reliance on nostalgia rather than genuine emotion… like using the main theme usually reserved for the crawl when the civilian fleet shows up doesn’t elicit emotion, but rather an eye roll.

Hey, don’t speak for me, that moment was great. Whether or not a musical theme “works” in context is entirely subjective, and certainly not the fault of the composer.

The previous eight films had really impactful scores, and some of the new pieces of music made for TROS are great… but the way they’re used in the film (or rather, the way they’re not used in the film) is the issue.

That I can agree with, although it’s mainly the fault of the editor. There are so many great tracks on the OST for the new movie that were partially unused in the movie, being tracked over with soundbites from the previous movies. That’s what gave the soundtrack it’s overly nostalgic feel.

Slingshot76 said:

Mocata said:

After the post ROTJ Ewok movie dirge SW started back on an upwards climb in popularity thanks to the all novels, all the Lucasarts games and all the toys from Kenner and Galoob. The PT may be the zenith of that journey but I think the OT movies would be remembered all the same without them.

But how much did the novels really help the popularity? I think that only die-hard fans were the ones reading the novels. I guess it depends how we measure popularity - to mean it means the spreading of the ideas to people who were not originally familiar with them. I don’t see how more content being consumed by the original base makes it more popular? No?

But I don’t think, by that measurement, that the prequels made them more popular either. Like I said, Star Wars was a phenomenon back when the OT was released, and an insane amount of people in both the US and worldwide saw it. I don’t think it’s possible for Star Wars to become more popular than it was back in the years between 1977 and 1984.

In my opinion, the original Star Wars will only be released after George Lucas dies. Disney clearly wants the original versions to be released, but they will never have the guts to go against his wishes while he’s still alive. After he dies, they’ll probably still hold off the release for a few years in order to avoid seeming insensitive, but after a while they’ll release the original.

You’re very determined in trying to get what you want, Broom Kid, but I think you’re the only one with these complaints. I don’t have a problem with the Burning Homestead cue being tracked again, if only because it’s one of the most awesome cues in the entire saga. No music playing in the scene at all, like you suggest, would just be weird and jarring for such a climactic moment.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Although I approve of the creation of this thread, that Sideways video sucks. He misunderstands many key parts of the Star Wars scores, is completely clueless as to how themes are used in movies, and has an attitude like a whiny toddler throughout. His hate for the sequel trilogy is clearly blinding him to Williams’ musical genius in the new movies.

A lot of his points land for me, especially the “lifting X-Wings out of water” theme, haha.

Well, almost all of his points crash-land and explode for me. I think Yoda’s theme in TROS was a nice callback, and almost every other point he made about themes “not fitting well” can be easily explained if you look at it for more than one second before dismissing it as trash. Maybe I’m just put off by his whiny voice and unbearable negativity, but it seems like his video is really unfair to all the effort that Williams put into his final score. Singling it out as the only “horrible” score in the entire saga is really doing it a disservice.

Back on track though, I do feel like the scores have some flaws. For one, I was disappointed that the “Anthem of Evil” theme wasn’t featured much in the movie. It got a whole concert arrangement on the soundtrack, but only appeared three times in the entire movie. So maybe it could be added to some scenes featuring the villains, in order to establish it as a theme for Palpatine and Kylo’s collaboration? I’m not sure how I would implement it, just a thought.

I’m not familiar with the track on its own, which scenes does it appear in, and where do you think it could fit?

It appears in three or four places: When Kylo says “My mother was the daughter of Vader”, when Kylo says “the dark side is in our nature” on the Death Star, when Palpatine says “the princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plans”, and when the Final Order destroys Kijimi. Those are the only times it appears in the entire movie.

You can hear the full theme here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi9kKyPJ_00

Although I approve of the creation of this thread, that Sideways video sucks. He misunderstands many key parts of the Star Wars scores, is completely clueless as to how themes are used in movies, and has an attitude like a whiny toddler throughout. His hate for the sequel trilogy is clearly blinding him to Williams’ musical genius in the new movies.

Back on track though, I do feel like the scores have some flaws. For one, I was disappointed that the “Anthem of Evil” theme wasn’t featured much in the movie. It got a whole concert arrangement on the soundtrack, but only appeared three times in the entire movie. So maybe it could be added to some scenes featuring the villains, in order to establish it as a theme for Palpatine and Kylo’s collaboration? I’m not sure how I would implement it, just a thought.