I don’t know if TPM got a digital release. That movie was filmed on 35mm, so I assume it would only be shown in conventional theaters at the time. Maybe I’m wrong though.
As I said, it’s only continued speculation. I don’t personally think it’s about George’s wishes. That doesn’t mean my view is correct, it’s just my own view of the speculation.
As I said it’s their property.
But when the chief of the Lucasfilm canon department, one of the most important people there, basically states outright that it’s because of George’s wishes, it stops being speculation and starts being fact. I don’t see how there can be any more debate after what he said.
To my understanding yet, not like the original negativ that was used in the camera but pretty close to this.
Here is an example of a shot from the SE 97 and in comparison his restoration:That first shot isn’t from the SE.
My point is merely that if Disney really wanted to release the original films they’d have done it by now. As people inside Lucasfilm have indicated, the primary obstacle to an official release is Lucas’s wishes. Some have interpreted that to mean it’s a contractual obligation; I find that unlikely. I think it’s simply a calculated trade-off.
Whatever Disney estimates they could earn from a release isn’t worth losing having Lucas in good (enough) graces to occasionally show up for the opening ceremony of a new theme park land or maybe drop in at Star Wars Celebration. In other words, they’re willing to risk alienating him over the direction of VII, VIII, and IX, but not on a home video release of the original movies. To me, that says all that needs to be said about how Disney estimates their value.
I really think people are overestimating this whole “they aren’t doing it out of respect to George” angle on the situation. First off no evidence blatantly spells out that’s what it is. You can refer to KK’s or JJ’s vague comments but they don’t exactly spell out its George. There is Pablo Hidalgo‘s Tweet from 2-3 years ago where he said something like “only one man is preventing it and he doesn’t wanna do it at this time” or whatever but again we don’t know for sure he means George. Maybe he was referring to a Disney higher up. Who knows??
I think Pablo’s quote was really the smoking gun in the whole situation. He said something along the lines of “someone doesn’t want it, you know who I’m talking about”, in a way that made it clear he was referring to George. I think there’s basically no ambiguity about it anymore. The only reason they’re not releasing it is out of respect to Lucas’ wishes.
Which leads me to my second point. It’s Disney’s property. George sold them LF, they bought out Fox, basically everything and anything SW is there’s free and clear. If they wanna do it they are well within there rights to do so. Frankly I think they haven’t done it because it’s just not a priority to them. They wanna sell you the new Trilogy and new TV shows, etc. If you ask me there probably in enough heat with George cause of the ST that releasing the OUT probably won’t even seem as big an offense to him at this point. I really don’t think he cares. It’s not his money anymore.
But the controversial reception of the sequels is an even further reason why they would defer to Lucas’ wishes. Those movies have already proven that going against the franchise creator’s wishes results in bad publicity. I doubt they’d want to go against him even more by releasing the original cuts, at least not while he’s still alive.
I don’t know if cold blue really suits the cantina in ANH. The reason why it’s shown like that in Mando is because they want to show how desolate and abandoned Tatooine has become, so it doesn’t really make sense for it to look like that when there’s still a lot of people there.
Hal actually removed the added music after Rey’s jump since he made his latest workprint. It was a scrapped idea for the latest workprint, that ended up not working. The earlier Duel of the Fates reference is still there, and it fits much better.
But I do agree that the added music is much too quiet in the sound mix. That’s actually a problem throughout the edit, whenever scenes are rescored. If Hal could turn up the music just a notch on those scenes, that would be great.
Sorry, but I feel like it’s too late for us to change our minds about the new Tatooine shot. It’s an edit that was first thought of months ago. The hard work of two amazing VFX people on here was used to make the shot, and in my opinion it really improves the movie by removing any doubts about whether Rey is going to stay on Tatooine. It also gives the saga an ending that fits the adventure spirit of the western movies it’s based on, with the heroes riding off into the sunset in the last shot of the movie. I’d hate to see it removed, since it’s one of my favorite changes in this version.
I’ve been thinking about JakeRyan’s suggestion of rescoring the fleet moment. At first I thought it was unnecessary, but recently I’ve found that the music from Revenge of the Sith’s opening scene fits perfectly with the scene in my opinion. I know someone else did an edit along those lines, but this version starts off with the deleted opening of the track, which I think is an epic way to announce the arrival of the fleet.
Here’s an extremely rough edit of my suggestion. Of course, someone would need to mix the audio properly, but this is just an idea.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q4UUv5sq35qcFjMg-wrUoS2YzlbnGquU/view?usp=sharingLove this idea, I tried to mix it in a bit more, and swapped out the lead in music (again, so it doesn’t feel like names in blue should be over a star field).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SFy-d3uT_Xd3pVxp0MnPeZKESnQIZN0l/view?usp=sharing
That’s amazing. I was focusing on trying to make it sound as epic as possible, but your choice of music track is really great, possibly even better than mine. It feels much less emotionally manipulative, and much more exciting.
I’ve been thinking about JakeRyan’s suggestion of rescoring the fleet moment. At first I thought it was unnecessary, but recently I’ve found that the music from Revenge of the Sith’s opening scene fits perfectly with the scene in my opinion. I know someone else did an edit along those lines, but this version starts off with the deleted opening of the track, which I think is an epic way to announce the arrival of the fleet.
Here’s an extremely rough edit of my suggestion. Of course, someone would need to mix the audio properly, but this is just an idea.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q4UUv5sq35qcFjMg-wrUoS2YzlbnGquU/view?usp=sharing
It wasn’t the sequel trilogy, it was Abrams’ and Terrio’s final script, and even that was instigated by Carrie’s death. Everything else has been pretty well planned out (even if fans didn’t like the plans or didn’t guess everything prior to a release).
Yeah, Trevorrow’s initial script for TROS was written more than a year before the release of TLJ, and the same applies to TLJ as well. Watching the first two movies and then reading Trevorrow’s first draft, there’s a clear through-line in the entire trilogy. It’s just that Carrie Fisher’s death threw a spanner in the works.
As for lightsaber colors, things that small just don’t matter in future instalments. A story decision in Clone Wars (to further visualise Ahsoka’s and Anakin’s relationship) superseded the previous description of events with the green sabers. Time that isn’t expressed on screen or in prominent prose shifts (a timeline on wookiepedia is not more relevant than the media it’s describing, for example).
Also, a lot of these details won’t be revisited, especially not right away. They aren’t gonna do a prequel that goes to Kef Bir any time soon, and there’s no current reason to revisit the planet any time soon.
So, be more casual with the canon. Creators are. Canon is only important until it gets in the way of story.
That’s completely true. Canon has never been really important, and only the most egregious instances of self-contradiction really bother me. In the end, it’s just a fictional story.
Sounds very interesting. The thing with Obi-Wan being the last surviving Jedi helps explain why no one remembers them in the original trilogy, and Maul and Grievous being the villains of the entire trilogy would really help their characters.
I really think Rey’s parentage need to be the climax of the music.
I don’t think so. The reveal that Rey’s parents aren’t important at all doesn’t really deserve big epic music, and the volume of the music almost drowns out the dialogue at that point. I think the climax is much better suited for Holdo beginning the lightspeed suicide run.
Those screenshots look amazing! Technology keeps bringing us closer to that magic “Zoom and Enhance” button that’s in every episode of Law and Order.
I like adding that theme to the scene, I feel like it should come in a little later, as Rey starts to notice that Kylo has no intention of saving the fleet. That way it can build faster and not feel repetitive. But I like that idea a lot.
Darthrush actually did something like that, when he tried to rescore the scene in his edit of TLJ:
It also moves the big climax of the song to Holdo’s lightspeed kamikaze, which helps it fit much better.
You asked this question in another thread already, and the answer is NO. There is no mythical “JJ Cut” of the movie. The original script for the movie was much longer, of course, and contained lots of stuff that didn’t make it in the final edit. But JJ was the main force behind the editing of the movie, and the main reason it’s so rushed. I doubt he has any plans to release an extended cut.
Just learned that Christopher Sean (the voice actor for Kaz in Resistance) has a Cameo account where you can pay $30 for him to record any video/message. Given that his ship and a few others from the show were created for TROS but unused and the novelization included him along with a line of dialogue, would anyone be interested in group-funding him to record the line for the edit? Inferno Squad was included so I figure there will also be interest in this. The novelization goes:
“Zay Versio with Inferno Squad, standing by. Look at all these ships!”
“Fireball, here. Hi everyone!”
“Cut the chatter, Kaz,” a deep voice responded.Given how short the line is I’m not sure if enough people would be interested in chipping in a bit so maybe the line could also be spliced together from show dialogue? Along with Yeager’s line in response.
Just want to see Resistance included 😃
Those lines actually were recorded, using impersonators. They were just buried deep in the audio mix to avoid standing out from the rest of the fleet dialogue.
It’s a continuity mess the way the battle has been edited. We have Lando leading Gold group ( but no fighters in Gold group), Red group is the X-wings, Green groups is the A-wings and Grey group is the Y-wings. Blue groups was also in there originally, which were the B-wings. But who the hell is Lando the leader of? In ROTJ:R, the Y-wings return to being Gold group and the B-wings are back as Blue group. Grey group is gone.
Gold squadron was reformed with a mix of different starfighters and the Millennium Falcon.
On screen members are Gold Leader, Lando Calrissian, Gold Four(A-Wing), Jake Farrell, and Gold Nine(Y-Wing), Norra Wexley, flying through the Death Star reactor shaft.
But that’s all EU stuff, they’re never named on-screen. Adywan’s edits aren’t required to stick to canon, so I think his plan for reordering the squadron names is a good idea.
Where can I see the workprint?
PM Hal, and he’ll give you the link.
I mean its not just one kissing scene, and she clearly is kissing luke because she likes him, or have you forgot this scene? https://youtu.be/2ZNlDnG-azE?t=92
That scene has already been addressed, and it doesn’t really count. It’s less romantic, and more just taking care of someone who’s basically half-dead. Leia’s feelings are fully with Han at this point.
I do get that the plot doesn’t require the “love triangle” (and I know its not really one but what else do you call it) but like I said, its not about what the audiance knows, its about Han’s point of view. As far as he is concerned Leia has been stringing him along. The far worse part of that whole sequence is the whole kidnapped princess thing, where the ewoks randomly pulls a forest dress out of their ***es. I mean that whole think feels more like the Princess Bride than Star Wars.
Anyway Leia and Luke, behave like more than just friends and I feel Han would definaitly be the kind of fly-boy to overreact in that situation.
But why would Han think Leia has been stringing him along, if they already admitted that they loved each other. The so-called “love triangle” was completely resolved in the carbonite scene, no need for Han to suddenly be jealous again.
I would love to see this edit. Are you still sending links? 😃 Feedback would come soon as well 😃
It’s not finished, and from what I understand it will never be.
Hi, could I get a link? I have seen a few attempts to integrate the SC38 footage and your seems the best so far!
It’s not done yet, though hopefully it will be soon.
I don’t like the cloning idea because it just raises an inevitable question at the end of TROS: is he really dead? Surely he must have a plan Z - another load of clone bodies somewhere! Bleh. I know canonically his decrepit form in TROS is because the cloning was imperfect or whatever, but when I first saw the movie I just presumed he looked like a corpse because he literally was a corpse being Darth Sion’d back to “life”. The Frankenstein imagery of the big claw also compounded this. Luckily, TROS is a great movie for headcanon since most of the plot around Palpatine is exclusive to the novelisation, so I can continue to gleefully ignore whatever I don’t like until Filoni or Soule or someone redeems it.
I don’t think that question is much of a problem. His interactions with Rey and Kylo seem to show that there are no other clone bodies he can transfer to, and his only hope is getting another Force user to let him possess them. When Rey decides not to use her hatred to kill Palpatine, his last resort was eliminated, and he was basically doomed to permanent death.
I think the version in the workprint feels too much like –
“What’s the message?”
“It’s two lines from Palpatine.”But it doesn’t imply that was the whole message. Taking the dialogue in the scene as a whole, it implies that they received some kind of First Order briefing message, of which the Palpatine recording was only part of. I’d say it’s much better than the theatrical version, where the message was basically “Palpatine’s back and he’s got an army of Death Stars, so you’d better hurry!”
Yes I imagine the implication is they get some sort of intel package that includes a recording of Palpatine as proof, as well as the stuff Poe exposition dumps after, but in movie language the recording is the answer to Rey’s question. And it feels like it’s only a couple of lines.
The crowd hearing Palps in any way is definitely better than “somehow palpytone retoned” but I argue the recording goes by a bit too fast, it’s over by the time you realize what’s going on.
But if you add another line, it’s still only three lines. Doesn’t seem like there are any viable options to fix that, and it isn’t a major problem anyway. I much prefer the reactions of the Resistance in the workprint version.
And I still don’t see how Palpy in TROS being a clone is any more “super cheap and cheesy” than a plot point plucked straight out of 30’s Flash Gordon serials and 70’s Doctor Who episodes.
And a 2020 episode! Just sayin’.
A 2020 episode that sucked, from what I heard. 😉
Either way, I still feel like explaining Palpy’s return by saying “he escaped” is really cliche’d and dumb, and I think him being a clone fits much more with the 4D chess he’s been doing for the entire saga. Cloning is the much better option for me.
I think the version in the workprint feels too much like –
“What’s the message?”
“It’s two lines from Palpatine.”
But it doesn’t imply that was the whole message. Taking the dialogue in the scene as a whole, it implies that they received some kind of First Order briefing message, of which the Palpatine recording was only part of. I’d say it’s much better than the theatrical version, where the message was basically “Palpatine’s back and he’s got an army of Death Stars, so you’d better hurry!”
Might have been posted already, but… ‘Splinter of the Mind’s Eye’, 1978 Acrylic painting by some guy called Ralph McQuarrie.
I’m gonna assume you’re joking, because Ralph McQuarrie is not just “some guy”. I could devote an entire thread to some of the amazing art he has created for the original trilogy.
