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#1374403
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Llirael Moroth said:

First,maybe cut just a few almost still frames from that shot of icy moon that once was Fores Moon of Endor? Just before Falcon shows up. It still has the vibe of: “you know that place, but we’re going somewere else”. But we’re now really going to Forest Moon, and this icey moon means nothing.

I didn’t even realize that the other moon was supposed to be Endor though, and I don’t think anyone else did either. It’s a blink-and-you-miss-it type shot, and I don’t know where you’re getting that from.

Secondly, Reys added(?) line “the Death Star” sound unnatural, not fitting the rest of her sentence about old wars.

That wasn’t added, it was in the original movie. I don’t hear anything unnatural about it.

Great work with restructuring Luke and Rey talk. Could we try to have a line: “… don’t face your fear”, instead of “Palpatine”? That could strenghten the message that Luke and Leia learned from mistakes of Jedi of the past, and they weren’t hiding Reys heritage, and Luke gives her quest to fight her own weeknes, not to kill her family.

But Hal already cut the “Leia knew it too” part of the conversation, so it doesn’t really matter. That implication is gone in this version, and I have no idea how you would edit the line like that.

I would also add more R2 and 3PO prequel theme, it’s nice piece of music. And maybee, if Chewie has to survive, maybe 3PO will have his memory permanently deleted? After that his role in the film is very limited. It wouldn’t require much work to make it beliviable I think.

Hal has always been a big believer in maintaining canon, so I don’t think he would want to cut that.

Silent duel is realy slow and blank. Putting Samuel Kim mashup of Battle of the Heroes and Duel of the Fates is realy lighting it up.

We already tried that, and it doesn’t really work. It feels too “epic” for the tone of the scene.

And there is no chance to have this cute look from Poe to Finn instead of Zori? 😃

I’m personally not a big fan of the whole Poe/Finn ship, mainly because there’s very little evidence for it besides maybe one or two moments in TFA. Not all male friends have to be gay, and I think editing it like that would just be cheesy.

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#1374356
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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pleasehello said:

DZ-330 said:

https://vimeo.com/425012849

I will still fight for this transition. In my opinion it just flows into the credits SO much better. And I love the end theme starting with the Skywalker theme, then Rey, then the Star Wars theme. Plus how it hits that long note how the Falcon flies away. I think it would be a shame not to have that 🤷‍♂️

Which track from which film has the Rey theme that you and Hal are using going into the credits?

It’s from “The Jedi Steps and Finale”, in the TFA soundtrack, at the very end of the credits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8&t=447

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#1373723
Topic
Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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JakeRyan17 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay but what would any of this achieve? Leave it as Han’ backstory and move on.

It would be a radical change, isn’t that what this thread is?

But radical changes for the sake of radical changes are kinda dumb. I don’t see any apparent benefit to having Solo not actually be about Han, it would just be a bunch of work for absolutely nothing.

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#1373383
Topic
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Slavicuss said:

StarkillerAG said:

Slavicuss said:

I only asked about the cut Walrus Man decapitation scene because the severed arm gif reminded me of some pics I found online.

It appears the film’s violence was originally stronger, before being toned down to appeal to a family audience.

Actually, it was the reverse. Lucas intended the movie as a relatively light, family friendly film, but added the scenes of the burning homestead and Walrus Man’s death in order to secure a PG rating. On set of the movie, they filmed the severed arm shot, but it didn’t look right. They experimented with having Ben cut his head off, before deciding to just reshoot the severed arm.

The original severed arm? Would that be the weird, cup/bowl-like hand, instead of the hairy paw that’s in the final film? I think I saw footage of the original version somewhere, or maybe it was a b/w pic?

Yep, that one. You can see black-and-white footage of it in the Lost Cut version of the scene, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8sD6-u7g2Y&t=135

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#1373355
Topic
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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ATMachine said:

“You can make this picture for teenagers, late teenagers, early twenties, or you play it for kids, and that’s what we’re going for, eight- and nine-year-olds. This is a Disney picture.”

  • George Lucas, quoted in Dale Pollock’s Skywalking

Sounds to me like GL considered more than one audience for which to tailor the film. But I’m sure this won’t do anything to convince you that SW wasn’t always intended as a “Disney picture” from the get-go.

It won’t, because there’s nothing in that quote to convince me that he ever intended it for a different target audience. He was heavily inspired by the old adventure serials of his childhood, and that’s the feel he was going for. I’m not saying it’s just a dumb Disney movie, there’s still plenty of stuff for adults to enjoy, but it was mostly intended for a family audience.

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#1373333
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Hal 9000 said:

“You will go to the Dagobah system. There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed the Jedi Master who instructed the Jedi Master who instructed me.”

Didn’t you already fix it in your own edit? You changed the line to have Ben refer to Yoda as “a Jedi master who instructed me”, not “the Jedi master who instructed me.”

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#1373332
Topic
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Slavicuss said:

I only asked about the cut Walrus Man decapitation scene because the severed arm gif reminded me of some pics I found online.

It appears the film’s violence was originally stronger, before being toned down to appeal to a family audience.

Actually, it was the reverse. Lucas intended the movie as a relatively light, family friendly film, but added the scenes of the burning homestead and Walrus Man’s death in order to secure a PG rating. On set of the movie, they filmed the severed arm shot, but it didn’t look right. They experimented with having Ben cut his head off, before deciding to just reshoot the severed arm.

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#1373330
Topic
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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ATMachine said:

Right. And some of the early script drafts and McQuarrie sketches predating the fourth draft suggest Lucas was even thinking of having onscreen nudity like in THX 1138.

You said that already, and there’s no proof! The only evidence you have is some very rough sketches, and drawings like that always show figures as being nude so that drawing clothes over them can be easier. There’s no evidence beyond that, so I’m inclined to think it was never intended.

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#1373166
Topic
George Lucas' Technicolor print
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doubleofive said:

https://starwarsviscomp.wordpress.com/2020/08/21/what-we-want/

I already read that article, and it’s a good explanation of how easy it would be to restore Star Wars to a professional level. But I disagree with some of the choices you made on what an “ideal” Blu-ray box set would look like. There are just too many audio options for the original movies, and it feels like it caters too much to purists. In my opinion, something like this would be the best option for appealing to a wide audience:

Disc One: Original Version
5.1 Dolby surround
Original 2.0 stereo
Audio commentary from 1993 laserdisc

Disc Two: Special Edition (1997 version)
5.1 Dolby Digital

Disc Three: Final Cut (2019 version)
Dolby Atmos
Audio commentary from 2004 DVD

If you want a bit more purism, you can include the mono mix of ANH, but I never really liked that version anyway.

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#1372884
Topic
Crazy Prequel Idea
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Wannabe Scholar said:

StarkillerAG said:

Maybe we could then rewrite the prequels to have mostly the same plot, just set 100 or 200 years before the original movies. Palpatine would be middle-aged, explaining his OT appearance with extreme old age rather than Force lightning. In Revenge of the Sith, Anakin wouldn’t be scarred by lava, and his state in the OT would be explained by him artificially prolonging his life using machinery. After the fall of the Jedi and the rise of Palpatine, Obi-Wan would cryo-freeze himself and Anakin’s children until about 20 years before the OT, when the time would be ripe for the Jedi to rise again.

It could work, except I personally would not cryo-freeze the kids. I think this is more of a nitpick than anything, but I always found it weird about cryo-freezing the kids (even when they’re in the womb, as seen in a draft of DuracellEnergizer’s Episode 3 rewrites). I guess it can be traced back to me wanting the kids to born in their natural period (as in, 20 BBY or 19 BBY) and grow up from thereon. That or I just prefer my discarded PT rewrite’s ending too much (basically, Anakin has accepted the Dark Side and flies off with a hesitant and non-pregnant Padme, leaving Obi-Wan with the Skywalker saber).

I don’t see what the problem with freezing the children is. There’s no reason why it wouldn’t be possible, and it’s the only way that the Jedi could be destroyed hundreds of years ago while still having Vader hunt them down. It’s pretty much a win-win idea in my opinion.

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#1372486
Topic
Revenge of the Sith: Blue Harvest Cut (Released)
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Darth_Zounds said:

StarkillerAG said:

No links on the forum. According to the rules, download links can only be distributed via PM messages.

Okay.

Kind of an odd rule for my tastes, but duly noted.

I edited my OP.

It’s to prevent people without accounts from accessing the files. If too many people could download these edits, it would draw too much attention to our community, and possibly result in legal action from Disney.

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#1372468
Topic
Crazy Prequel Idea
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Wannabe Scholar said:

An interesting idea. It reminds me of an idea where the Clone Wars were 100 prior to my prequels and Anakin rescued Obi-Wan from carbonite/stasis upon Yoda’s instructions. I think the only issue with this idea is that Obi-Wan in SW77 stated Vader destroyed the Jedi, hinting there were still some Jedi left. Maybe try to add some Jedi in mere handfuls or dozens that Anakin wipes out in his fall to the Dark Side.

Maybe we could then rewrite the prequels to have mostly the same plot, just set 100 or 200 years before the original movies. Palpatine would be middle-aged, explaining his OT appearance with extreme old age rather than Force lightning. In Revenge of the Sith, Anakin wouldn’t be scarred by lava, and his state in the OT would be explained by him artificially prolonging his life using machinery. After the fall of the Jedi and the rise of Palpatine, Obi-Wan would cryo-freeze himself and Anakin’s children until about 20 years before the OT, when the time would be ripe for the Jedi to rise again.

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#1372463
Topic
Star Wars Headcanons
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Rodney-2187 said:

Those skeletons were not Owen and Beru. Both were a lot more formidable than their preferred modest lifestyle would indicate. They eliminated the first two Stormtroopers to arrive and stole their armor. Owen burned the bodies, and Beru sent a phony report saying they had interrogated and killed two civilians, but found no droids. Owen had already overheard Leia’s message and deduced Obi-Wan would be taking Luke to Alderaan, so they planned on reuniting there, but lost track of them when the planet was destroyed.

Or, for a darker ending, they ended up landing on Alderaan successfully, but immediately after they landed the planet blew up. All that work to fake their deaths convincingly, and they ended up dying a few hours later anyway.

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#1372452
Topic
Would it not be amazing if we got a Darth Vader movie directed by Christopher Nolan?
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I guess maybe we do have a bit of a Vader oversaturation in the spinoff material nowadays, he’s easily the most fleshed-out character in the modern EU. Even then, I would still like to see a movie featuring Vader. Maybe Vader could be the main villain in a movie featuring a group of former Jedi, like someone here suggested? That could be pretty cool.

Why I reacted so strongly against Nolan directing it, though, is because I don’t like his movies at all. The plots are nonsensical, the characters are one-note and flat, and the sound mixing is awful. Maybe it’s just a case of hype backlash on my part, but I think he’s massively overrated. His new movie Tenet doesn’t seem like something I want to see anytime soon.

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#1372240
Topic
<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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JJ Abrams: Going somewhere, Favreau?
Favreau: Yes JJ, as a matter of fact I was just going to see your boss. Tell Kathleen I’ve got season 2 of Mando.
Abrams: It’s too late. You should have made it when you had the chance. COVID has caused a shutdown so big every post-production worker will be laid off. You’re lucky I found you first.
Favreau: Yeah, but this time I’ve got the show.
Abrams: If you release it now, I might forget I found you.
Favreau: It’s not finished yet. Tell Kathleen-
Abrams: Kathleen’s through with you. She has no time for producers who can’t get their work released on time.
Favreau: Even I get delayed sometimes. You think I had a choice?
Abrams: Tell that to Kathleen. She may only replace you with someone else.
Favreau: Over my dead body.
Abrams: That’s the idea. I’ve been looking forward to this moment for a long time.
Favreau: Yes, I’ll bet you have.

Mando season 2 becomes wildly popular, causing everyone to forget about TROS

Favreau: Sorry about the mess.

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#1372193
Topic
Original Trilogy Edits - some changes are justified
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SparkySywer said:

HarrisHolt said:

Like when they knocked down some walls in the Cloud City.

I feel very strongly about this.

Irvin Kershner chose to make it so the sets got more and more constricted and claustrophobic as the Empire closes in on the Rebels, to give the audience that same feeling of claustrophobia. Then George Lucas comes in and adds these CGI windows that don’t even look right, and mucks it all up.

For someone who moans about original visions so much, it’s pretty ironic that he disrespects Kershner’s original vision.

The discourse around this change can get so weird, too. It’s as if people think the lack of windows was an accident or something. Someone even told me once that there wasn’t any windows because of a technological limitation making ESB. They do realize there have been windows in movies since 1895, right? Hell, the unaltered cut of ESB had windows, just less of them.

Yes, there have been windows in movies from the very beginning, just no windows showing a sprawling city in the clouds that couldn’t possibly exist in real life. The original concept art shows windows everywhere on Cloud City, they just could only have very simple tiny windows with 1980 effects technology. It’s a matter of technical limitations, not any attempt to create a “claustrophobic feeling”. That’s the reason why the Cloud City windows are some of my favorite changes, even if they are applied inconsistently.

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#1372167
Topic
Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Slavicuss said:

Good clean, wholesome, family entertainment.

It actually is though. Like it or not, the movie was made with kids as a main part of the target audience. That’s a big part of the reason why it’s so popular, people of all ages can enjoy it. They just added those two random gory parts to prevent the movie getting a G rating, which would hurt its chances with adult audiences.

Was Walrus Man’s severed head also filmed?

I think it was, I clearly remember seeing footage of it online. It ended up being cut though, so it doesn’t really matter.

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#1371944
Topic
Info: Mike Verta’s 4K Restoration - May 2020 Livestream
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crissrudd4554 said:

As I said, it’s only continued speculation. I don’t personally think it’s about George’s wishes. That doesn’t mean my view is correct, it’s just my own view of the speculation.
As I said it’s their property.

But when the chief of the Lucasfilm canon department, one of the most important people there, basically states outright that it’s because of George’s wishes, it stops being speculation and starts being fact. I don’t see how there can be any more debate after what he said.