StarkillerAG

I don’t see how that could contradict a potential rematch in Kenobi. Just because Vader isn’t sure if Kenobi is alive doesn’t mean that they couldn’t have possibly faced since ROTS. Same thing with Tarkin.

Over all though, rigorous canonical consistency has never been a thing in Star Wars, no matter how much fans want it to be. The franchise’s canon is an ever-evolving thing, the only difference with the Disney reboot is that they actually acknowledged it.

BandobrasTuk said:

StarkillerAG said:

I guess you guys might be right. But if we’re gonna cut that episode, we should at least update the first movie to have the clip of Gideon surviving be before the credits. >

We?

It’s still Smudger’s cut!
I think his edit of season 1 is excellent.
Suggestions and ideas are always welcome and can be very helpful.
But here are some who made demands in a way (especially JackRyan) which are in my opinion quite impertinent!
He should first do better, or simply create his own edit.

Can we please not do the “I’d like to see you do better” thing? It feels kind of petty, especially for an edit where the editor has been welcoming outside feedback. The planning for this edit has been very much a collaborative work, hence why I used “we.”

I guess you guys might be right. But if we’re gonna cut that episode, we should at least update the first movie to have the clip of Gideon surviving be before the credits. Post credits scenes, like in Marvel movies, are typically reserved for things that will be shown again later. If there’s no in-story reveal that Gideon is alive, it just becomes weird. He’s dead, then suddenly he isn’t.

So it’s a choice of either bringing the scene of Gideon’s survival back into its original spot, or including Chapter 12. If Chapter 12 is really as non-essential as you guys say it is, I’d vote for the former option.

JakeRyan17 said:

Does Din know that Gideon dies? How does Luke know Vader’s alive in Empire Strikes Back? His ship was shot down in space…

You all keep saying plot hole, it’s not a plot hole.

The difference with ESB is that there was a time skip of 3 years in between ANH and that movie, by which point Luke would have has plenty of time to figure out Vader was alive. Mando doesn’t have any time in season 2 to figure that out offscreen, he’s on a mission the whole time. It is a plot hole.

CMMAP said:

JakeRyan17 said:
Also, having multiple characters talk about Gideon and inform Din he’s being hunted right before the Imperials kidnap Grogu (again ignored that Bo-Katan mentioned Gideon isn’t dead). There’s no plot hole.

Just watched Chapter 11 again, Bo-Katan never mentioned Gideon by Name either in front of Din or else.
Furthermore cutting the scene in chapter 12 with mayfield telling Din Gideon is alive would be strange later. Why would Din hunt down Gideon again? Why wouldn’t Din questioned anyone to get intel on who hunts him?
So there is a plot hole for Din. Not the viewer, that’s right.

It wasn’t Mayfeld who told him that, he found out from the hologram of Dr. Pershing. But you’re right. I heard JakeRyan talking about Bo-Katan mentioning that Gideon was alive, and I thought “That’s weird, I don’t remember that happening.” So I think he must have just been misremembering when he said that. Cutting Chapter 12 does create a plot hole then.

ray_afraid said:

Yoda can learn that “Wars not make one great” without having jumped around like a frog with a glowstick during said War.

This, 100%. I like Yoda’s prequel arc in theory, but having him swing around a lightsaber while jumping like an idiot was a huge mistake that devalues his character. Hal’s prequel edits are some of my favorite ones, at least partially because he removed every instance of Yoda using a lightsaber.

SparkySywer said:

StarkillerAG said:

SparkySywer said:

StarkillerAG said:

I don’t see why people are so disappointed that the prequels didn’t include some mind-blowing revelations that would change the way we looked at the OT. Adding needless complications to a prequel of an already existing franchise tends to feel contrived (case in point: Star Trek Discovery). Even then, they already introduced some ideas people weren’t expecting, most importantly the clones being the good guys and the Republic falling from within.

I don’t think anyone’s disappointed by it. At least to my knowledge. Personally, if there really was some trick about Palpatine not actually being the Emperor or not actually being the big evil guy in control, I think it would’ve been really awful.

Sorry, I just gathered from the tone of your previous post that you were disappointed something like that didn’t happen. Referencing the ESB twist as an example of how great Star Wars plot twists can be, then seeming bored with how it ended up being played straight. I understand that I could have misinterpreted though.

I’m sorry

Was this meant to be condescending? If so, I should be the one who’s sorry. I didn’t mean to put you down in any way. But then again, maybe I’m just misinterpreting again.

SparkySywer said:

StarkillerAG said:

I don’t see why people are so disappointed that the prequels didn’t include some mind-blowing revelations that would change the way we looked at the OT. Adding needless complications to a prequel of an already existing franchise tends to feel contrived (case in point: Star Trek Discovery). Even then, they already introduced some ideas people weren’t expecting, most importantly the clones being the good guys and the Republic falling from within.

I don’t think anyone’s disappointed by it. At least to my knowledge. Personally, if there really was some trick about Palpatine not actually being the Emperor or not actually being the big evil guy in control, I think it would’ve been really awful.

Sorry, I just gathered from the tone of your previous post that you were disappointed something like that didn’t happen. Referencing the ESB twist as an example of how great Star Wars plot twists can be, then seeming bored with how it ended up being played straight. I understand that I could have misinterpreted though.

Play nicely, people. I’m not a mod, but this is getting way too heated. Reminds me of the average level of discourse on Reddit or Twitter.

JakeRyan17 said:

Gideon is established as still being alive when he meets Bo-Katan, and it’s not like he starts hunting Gideon prior to Grogu’s capture… could be that Grogu’s capture is what establishes Gideon as being alive at all. Boba might even mention it, I know he mentioned Din being hunted.

But even after Grogu was captured, Mando would still have no idea Gideon was alive. All he saw was some weird droids kidnapping Grogu, and a Star Destroyer jumping into hyperspace. Nothing that confirms Gideon’s survival. I still maintain that cutting Chapter 12 creates a plot hole because of that, and it should be kept in at least a trimmed fashion.

So, while the tanks are fun, and seeing familiar faces that don’t contribute to the story or character development is fun, I think story beats and major character development to the protagonist should be prioritised.

But the character development given to Din didn’t really last. He took his mask off, but after that he put it back on and pretended it never happened. Neither episode is really crucial to the character development, so I’d prefer the one that establishes several new plot elements over an episode where the changes don’t really have much consequence.

I’m personally of the opinion that you should keep Chapter 12, and cut Chapter 15. Cara and Greef are two of the main characters of your Season 1 edit, so their return would be satisfying for the audience. On the other hand, Mayfeld’s episode was cut from your edit, so he would just be some random guy that Mando knows for some reason. We already have two instances of characters who were cut earlier being reintroduced with no explanation, so if we had to add one more I would prefer the Mythrol rather than Mayfeld. The Mythrol’s role in Chapter 12 was small, so he could just be some random comic relief guy.

Also, I have a strong feeling those clone tanks are going to become important later. The Dark Troopers have already been confirmed to be droids, so it obviously has no relation to that. Whether it’s related to Palpatine or not (and I suspect it is), we know it’s going to be important. So I would rather keep that important bit of foreshadowing instead of an episode with nothing really critical to the story.

EDIT: And one more thing I forgot, if you cut Chapter 12 you lose Mando finding out that Gideon is alive. It’s a crucial element of the story, since Mando was sure he was dead previously. If you cut that, it creates a plot hole.

DuracellEnergizer said:

StarkillerAG said:

Even then, they already introduced some ideas people weren’t expecting, most importantly the clones being the good guys and the Republic falling from within.

I completely expected the latter.

The EU writers didn’t, though. All of the descriptions of the Clone Wars in the spinoff material described it as a war between the Jedi of the Old Republic and the evil clones of Palpatine’s Empire. That’s mainly what I was referring to when I talked about people’s expectations.

But Better Call Saul is a spinoff show, it doesn’t have very much to do with the main plot of Breaking Bad. The prequels are a completely different situation. By placing them in the same overarching saga as the OT, you kind of have to explain the backstory of that trilogy. I would be disappointed if the prequels were a spinoff trilogy about a team of B-list Jedi during the Clone Wars, with only vague hints at the actual main story. I much preferred getting some actual answers on how the Empire rose and Anakin became Darth Vader.

BedeHistory731 said:

I also maintain that the biggest flaw with the prequels is a fundamental one: they were made with the assumption that people have seen the OT. Getting them to work in episode order requires writing them with the assumption that nobody has seen the OT.

Is that even a problem, though? I feel like no one would be upset about this if Lucas didn’t try to pedal his “Tragedy of Darth Vader” bullshit later on. Despite what George says, the prequels weren’t meant to be seen before the OT, and that’s great! Writing a story about Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader, with the assumption that we’re not even supposed to know that Anakin and Darth Vader are the same person, would just be a contradiction that de-emphasizes the point of the story. If you view the saga in release order like you were supposed to, all these complaints about “ruining the OT’s plot twists” become completely invalid.

I don’t see why people are so disappointed that the prequels didn’t include some mind-blowing revelations that would change the way we looked at the OT. Adding needless complications to a prequel of an already existing franchise tends to feel contrived (case in point: Star Trek Discovery). Even then, they already introduced some ideas people weren’t expecting, most importantly the clones being the good guys and the Republic falling from within.

jedi_bendu said:

I’m actually really worried about the hints of a pre-ANH Vader vs Obi Wan rematch. Many people seem to have conveniently forgotten the line “when I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master”. A duel between them would be the definition of breaking the canon for fan service.

That line was vague though. He didn’t say “When I left you, I was burning next to a pit of lava while screaming about how much I hate you.” There were no direct lines about what exactly their last confrontation was, so there could potentially be room for another duel in between there.

My comment about hoping they do it in a way that makes sense was mostly just directed at character development. If they can flesh out the characters, maybe explaining their attitudes in the OT as well, that would be great. But if it’s just a duel for a duel’s sake, that’s no good.

Yeah, I’m very anxious about the new Obi-Wan vs Vader duel. It’s not even speculation at this point, it’s literally the main thing they’re using to sell the show. I just hope they do it in a way that makes sense for the story and characters.

Nilbog said:

Senator Palpatine alter ego being Darth Sidious. 9 year old me deciphered this when I saw his name and picture on a pog when Episode 1 was released.

That was never really a secret though. They literally put it on the VHS back cover description, and there was no attempt to hide that both characters were played by Ian McDiarmid. Just another thing that proves the prequels were meant to be seen after the OT.

idir_hh said:

Star Wars material that isn’t approved by George Lucas isn’t really Canon.

Is that unpopular? Felt like it was a pretty popular opinion among the prequel crowd.

Rogue One is not as good as everyone says it is. The characters are boring, the plot almost entirely relies on bland callbacks with no substance to them, and the hallway scene makes Vader seem way too “cool” when that was never the point of his character.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Why ruin a strong, emotional character moment with a hint to a dumb mcguffin chase three films down the road?

Well it is kinda strange how he tells Luke to go immediately after taking the helmet off.

That was because he knew he was going to die. He only had a few seconds of life left, so he didn’t have time for a melodramatic goodbye. Either way, it’s certainly no reason to add a forced reference to some dumb McGuffin that was in a movie made 35 years later.

thebluefrog said:

JJ likely rewrote everything rushed last minute under orders from Bob Iger/Kathleen Kennedy. When they fired Colin Trevorrow, it fell on JJ to pull together all his scribbled unused ideas from TFA. This is why ROS doesn’t really feel like a story and just a string of random ideas–that’s exactly what it was. It almost seems like JJ was told NOT to use anything from the Colin script.

But he actually did use a lot of stuff from the Trevorrow script. A nebula leading to a secret planet, Rey’s parents being killed by a Sith, Kylo sacrificing himself to heal Rey, and Lando showing up with a huge fleet to save the day were all ideas taken from Trevorrow. So that line of thinking is clearly incorrect.

NeverarGreat said:

Finally, it was a nice change of pace for S1 to take a slower pace with the plot and fill it out with a bunch of side-quests, but in the middle of S2 I’m getting pretty tired of ‘Mando tries to do _ but problems arise and he ends up doing _ for the episode’. Rinse, repeat half a dozen times. It wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t so often ‘Mando goes to a planet seeking someone and has to fix a problem for them before they can regurgitate a new destination.’

Yeah, I agree. At least season 1 had some variation in the structure, with no episodes really having the same plot. But with season 2, every single episode is just that basic plot you described, repeated endlessly. By the time Ahsoka sent Mando to some random Jedi temple, I just groaned and said “Not again.” The show is still fun, don’t get me wrong, but it’s getting really repetitive.

KumoNin said:

Oh no, not about the episode!! About the removal of jeans guy, of course. It’s a mistake/goof, and it’s out there, no need for revisionism… yet we all saw it coming, because that’s Disney for ya

I don’t see why some people have a problem with it. It’s a guy on set with jeans and a T-shirt, right in the middle of this Star Wars show. It’s incredibly distracting once you notice it, so it makes sense why they would remove it. It’s just that this fanbase is much more purist than any other one. If this change was made in any other franchise, no one would have a problem with it.