Geez, I don’t know how you can simultaneously consider Rogue One the best Star Wars thing ever, while also considering Mando season 2 the worst Star Wars thing ever. I thought they were very similar, and from what I’ve seen there is heavy overlap between the fans of both.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be so upset. Even if you don’t like the sequels, you can just ignore them. Just because Disney made some movies you didn’t like doesn’t mean that the original movies are “RUINED FOREVER” or whatever hyperbolic fanboys like to say. Embrace the headcanon, enjoy the parts of Star Wars you like and abandon the rest. Almost every fan does that to some degree.
I love how the whole point of the video was having the Force Ghosts assist Rey, and everyone here is just arguing over whether killing Nien Nunb is a good idea.
But yeah, the video doesn’t do anything for me. It’s pretty much just a recreation of Jonh’s edit with more obvious effects, plus some weird deepfake thing at the end. Like, is that really the best way you could have had Anakin deliver the killing blow to Palpatine?
At least it’s better than some edit a guy on Twitter made, where the entire scene was just replaced by a white screen while a voice actor doing an Obi-Wan impression said “It’s alright Rey, I’m gonna erase Palpatine’s existence forever.” Then it just cut to after Palpatine’s defeat, with no explanation whatsoever. I still find it hilarious.
StarkillerAG said:
It’s just a somewhat blurry deepfake, nothing horrible.Sorry, but even if deepfake (or whatever the technique used for the show is called) is fine for funny videos on YouTube, I expect something better from a streaming/television show or movie.
They should have used a different actor without any CGI nonsense. It was bad in Rogue One, and even worse in Mandalorian.
Well, I would personally disagree. I think the deepfake looked much better than the typical “funny videos on YouTube,” and I think it was the best option for the scene. Luke needs to be instantly recognizable as Luke, especially when the dialogue doesn’t even mention his name. If they recast, I’m sure a lot of people would walk away with the impression that he was just some random Jedi, which is probably not the impression the creators would want.
That THING is NOT Luke it’s a terrifying demon.
Oh, come on. People are really exaggerating how bad Luke’s face looks. It’s just a somewhat blurry deepfake, nothing horrible.
How is the first one a bad edit? That honestly sounds pretty poetic. Not really worth the effort but it isn’t bad by any means.
I think he was referencing TROS’s ending. A lot of people feel like Rey going to Luke’s homestead was a bad idea, but I personally disagree.
I remember reading a theory regarding Luke’s vague dialogue, saying that they did it that way in order to prevent people finding out about Luke’s involvement. If they just saw some random stunt actor, and his words pretty much just amounted to him being a Jedi who’s come to take Grogu away, then they wouldn’t think twice about it. But once they deepfake Luke’s face onto him and have him be voiced by Mark Hamill, suddenly that random Jedi becomes Luke.
I thought that theory made sense, but hearing that Mark was actually playing Luke on set, I’m not so sure anymore.
I don’t think an edit can fix this. If you want to complain about plot holes, do so in the discussion thread.
The ongoing piling of RETroactiv CONtinuity by the Special Editions, PT, ST and any Star Wars TV series, did more damage to the OUT than George Lucas’ refusal to release the Theatrical Cuts.
I don’t know if that’s an unpopular opinion, it’s pretty common to complain about retcons in Star Wars.
Which leads me to my next unpopular opinion: Retcons aren’t actually as bad as people make them out to be. When done poorly, they can just seem shoehorned and forced. But when done well, they can actually enhance the work they’re retconning.
It’s been almost a year since I last considered my personal canon. In that time, I tried being a SW '77 purist, but that didn’t work out for me. I then tried smothering my vestigial love for all things Star Wars and any personal canon with it, but that didn’t work out, either. Since then, my love and hatred for Star Wars has reached equilibrium, and now I believe I’ve settled upon a definitive personal canon.
This isn’t a canon of compatible works all forming a single, cohesive universe. This is a canon of dissimilar, often incompatible stories which I happen to enjoy, pure and simple.
- Tales of the Jedi
- TCW: “Overlords”
- TCW: “Altar of Mortis”
- TCW: “Ghosts of Mortis”
- Star Wars (theatrical version)
- The Star Wars radio drama
- The Empire Strikes Back (theatrical version)
- The original Marvel SW comic (#1-80)
- The Archie Goodwin/Al Williamson SW comic strip
- The Alan Moore SW comics
- Dark Forces: Soldier for the Empire
- Dark Forces: Rebel Agent
- Dark Forces: Jedi Knight
- Mara Jade: By the Emperor’s Hand
- Heir to the Empire
- Dark Force Rising
- The Last Command
- Dark Empire
- I, Jedi
- Ambush at Corellia
- Assault at Selonia
- Showdown at Centerpoint
- Specter of the Past
- Vision of the Future
Updating to add “George R. Binks” and the Power Converters Robot Chicken skit.
Ah yes, the two most essential elements of the Star Wars saga.
It’s not sidetracking if there is no track, and it leaves you with an entire galaxy as a canvas to explore. Din and Grogu just along for the ride. I genuinely think the show would have been better served focusing less on those two and more on the “guest world” or character of an episode. Make it the Cobb Vanth Show, Greef Carga Show, Egg Lady Show, or Mayfeld Show for the episode(s) they’re in. Flesh those characters and their dilemmas out - invest us in them more than the Mando and Baby Yoda. The duo then comes out of an episode having learned or changed by interacting with them.
So you’re saying something like the original Star Trek? I’m not really sure if that would be a good idea. I tend to find television formulas to be tiring, especially when they’re of the “threat of the week” variety.
However, I do agree that if they have to include those types of stories, they could at least flesh them out somewhat. I think that could be done well by just extending the average episode runtime. Chapter 9 was the best episode of the season, and possibly of Mando as a whole, because it actually gave us the time to invest in the guest character and care about the problem Mando has to solve.
It is pretty boring, though. 😛
I gotta agree, especially this season. I’ve already talked about how formulaic the show is getting, and I hope they improve it next season.
That’s not the story of the ST. You both proved my point.
Then, what do you think the story of the ST is? I don’t understand what you want me to do, I was literally just summing up the premise of the sequels.
Let’s get back on topic though.
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At least come up with actual criticisms rather than “they don’t have a story”.That is precisely my criticism. There was no story.
Ask the most casual viewer or child and they’ll tell you in just a few words what the prequels and OT are about.
The sequels? Well, things happened. What exactly? Need some mental gymnastics to answer that.
Umm, what? The sequels had a story, just as much as the previous two trilogies did.
OT: Luke must become a Jedi and defeat the Empire.
Prequels: Anakin fights the Separatists, but then turns evil.
Sequels: Rey must become a Jedi and defeat the First Order.
As you can see, the sequel plot line is derivative of the OT plot line, but that doesn’t mean the sequels had no plot.
Wow the new deepfake took like a day and still looks better than theirs? Jeez.
Eh, I personally think the original looked better. The deepfake looks too sharp, like his face is on a different plane of existence from the rest of his body. The original version isn’t perfect, but replacing someone’s face with the face of an actor from 1983 probably isn’t very easy.
And about the other complaint people had about Luke, people say that the subplot with Mando and Bo-Katan was cut short by Luke’s arrival, but I don’t really agree. Bo allowed Mando to have the Darksaber, any sort of rivalry they had before then was probably gone by that time. Just because they ended the episode after Mando handed Grogu to Luke doesn’t mean that the previously established plot elements of the show can’t continue.
Geez, why do you guys hate this episode so much? I thought it was good. Not the best episode ever, but not an abomination against the Star Wars franchise as we know it like some of you guys are acting.
What’s wrong with the mono mix?
Nothing, it’s completely good in its own right. But since every home video mix of the movie has been based off the stereo mix, the mono additions just feel weird to me. Whenever I listen to it, I feel like I’m in an alternate universe where the first Star Wars movie is just slightly different.
I’d say two movies is probably the best option. The only way you could possibly get one movie to work is by cutting Chapter 9, and that would make it kind of weird how Mando suddenly has Boba Fett’s armor given how important it becomes later on.
Here’s my idea for a two movie structure:
Episode 2
THE SEARCH
Chapter 9 (with cuts to reduce references to Chapter 5), Chapter 10, Chapter 11, Chapter 12
Approximate runtime: 2 hours 29 minutes
If keeping post-credits scenes, have Gideon revealing the Dark Troopers be the post-credits scene.
Episode 3
THE TRIUMPH
Chapter 13, Chapter 14 (once again trimmed to remove Chapter 5 references), Chapter 15, Chapter 16
Approximate runtime: 2 hours 27 minutes
If keeping post-credits scenes, keep the Boba spinoff tease after the credits.
It’s not a very creative edit, so I could understand why one movie would be more interesting. But I think two movies makes the most sense from a storytelling point of view.
Yeah but it’s less like the reaction to mass murder and more like a case of indigestion.
Could say the same or worse about Leia to her home planet. It’s not Rabbit Hole.
To be fair, we never saw her reaction to its actual destruction, only getting back to her hours later.
Nevertheless, this is a failure of SW '77.
Or just a deliberate creative decision. Leia is still technically a supporting character to Luke, so it makes sense to merely imply some character moments. After all, they shot a reaction for her planet’s destruction but chose to cut it, probably to keep the focus on Luke.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Lucas has a serious problem with writing convincing mourning. Whenever someone important died in ANH, or even an entire planet, the main characters were sad for one second and then got over it. He tried to fix this problem by adding more “emotional” dialogue in the prequels, but it just ended up being cheesy instead.
https://youtu.be/yix_9g_Ob74?t=165
This new(-ly released) footage from Han and Leia’s first kiss vastly improves the scene, imo.
Ah, so that explains the continuity error! Leia always looked uncomfortable in the close-up shot, then looked kind of into it in the next shot.
Wonder why they cut that bit. Not only does it fix that error, it also makes the scene a lot less creepy.
Guy who?
Guy Skywalker.
Geez Spuffure, you are a revolving door when it comes to entering and exiting this forum.
Really, dude? Using two alt accounts to share your editing suggestions twice? Maybe if you just said what you wanted to say, without using an alt account to say the exact same thing, people would actually listen to you.
Thanks for that, Nev. You summed up my opinions 100%.
Yoda in the OT was this sort of untouchable, almost Buddha-like figure. The Emperor was the same in the opposite direction, being more of a Satanic figure. But when you give them both laser swords and have them do a badly choreographed flippy duel, it makes them seem like just some average samurai wizards.