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#225258
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225258/action/topic#225258
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This just now occurred to me: using Dune footage (and the like) is basically what Lucas did with WWII footage in ANH. Sure, we'd all like to see it (yes, a portion of it is on the DVD), but we wouldn't want it in our "definitive" version. Same with Dune footage in SOTDS (in my opinion).

As far as new music, such as "Mars", that seemed to work well. For some reason, in my mind, it's ok adding new music...rather than new footage.
I guess I don't have a good reason, other than person taste.
I'm gonna get back to you on this, though. My sister has a CD of a guy who seemed to inspire Williams, because his music sounds like something strait out of ANH! I kid you not!
I can't remember his name though (maybe it IS Holst), so I'll be back with a name.

MTHaslett: BEST. IDEA. EVER.
Not to downplay what Trooperman has done! That goes without saying!
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#223273
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223273/action/topic#223273
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Hey, Trooperman:
Still looking for a volunteer FX guy/gal?
http://fanfilms.theforce.net/User_SearchPI.asp


Don't misunderstand me. I just mean that if you wanted to chop out that scene for reasons of personal taste, you're not losing any critical information.

Gotcha.

If you want to cut out the Death sticks guy out completely there's an alternate angle in the Good to G.O. documentary. Also in there is an angle that focuses less on Lucas's daughter/Ahmed best and, focuses on Anakin. Just ideas on what you could use.


I don't remember that at all! I'm gonna check it out now!
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#223228
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223228/action/topic#223228
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1. That's one budget alien getup. Sketchy even by Star Trek standards. In fact, paint him blue, and I believe he is a Star Trek alien. You know, the white haired ones. And his voice sucks too.

Actually, since I don't watch Star Trek, I never would've known!

2. Obi-Wan says he's going to the bar for a drink. We don't need to see him get there and order it.

Well, stuff like that happens in Star Wars all the time...not to mention other movies.
People say stuff, then they do it. What's wrong with that?

3. I know the Jedi uniform isn't standardized, but most Coruscanti should know what one generally looks like. It's like trying to sell crack to uniformed police officer. Doesn't happen.

Eh, I guess I never saw them as police. I thought of them more like monks who know how to sword fight.
I get the impression that the Jedi don't hang out with many outside their own group or whatever.
I've thought that some might know who they are, but some might not.
So the guy asking him (not knowing what a jedi really looks like) if he wants to buy these sticks seems plausable.
Just my thoughts!
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#222012
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222012/action/topic#222012
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Hey, Trooperman, thanks for posting a Yoda clip! I was very curious!
Hmmm...I've watched it several times now. I think I like it.
It, of course, threw me off the first time I watched it...but I think it works.
I think I'll be able to make a better decision once I see it in context with the actors...maybe?

So I guess there are a few shots in the movie where you can't change the frame rate (because of actors)...hmm...ROTS will probably be even harder to do...just thinking out loud.

What's interesting is that the picture looks better flipped (like you have it) than in the original version.
Yodas face looks more symmetrical-...or something.

Oh, I had a question: how different is the editing of the last few scenes in SOTDS? Are you changing or adding anything significant?
One of the last shots of the clones has the camera slowly panning up and to the right (you know the one. the very red-looking shot that looks completely CG).
Well, if I'm not mistaken, that shot is split up into two shots in the original edit. I don't know if you have a need to splice them back together, but I thought I'd throw that out there for you.

Oh, by the way, the way you described the scene with Dooku, Yoda, Obi, and Anakin sounds awesome! I can't wait to see that!
I wish I could think of a way for Anakin to be hiding in the shadows...
I'm also glad you're cutting out all the lightning. Interesting to note that Dooku DIDN'T use it at all in ROTS...hmmm
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#221376
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221376/action/topic#221376
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Thanks for pointing that out, Marvolo. Ya know, you start coming up with ideas that seem to work, but then someone points out something sooo obvious and you’re like, “Duh! I can’t believe I didn’t see that!”

So, I would have to go back on what I said earlier:
I am now NOT a fan of having Vader find out Luke is his son…IN THE TRENCH.
But perhaps afterwards (as I also suggested) would still work.

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Sluggo: I can’t say I like the idea of splitting up the SE dialogue into another scene.


Vader: "What is thy bidding, my master?"

Palpatine: "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

Vader: "How is that possible?"

Palpatine: "Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You know it to be true."


This just sounds like incomplete lines of dialogue…not to mention an incomplete scene. Unless we had some additional lines to insert, I don’t see how this could work. But that’s just me.

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Max_Rebo
I think I understand your concerns about this Vader finding out about Luke thing.
I have the same question: Why does everything that happen in the OT have to be explained in the PT?
I mean, 3PO is Vader’s FATHER?!?! It’s a small Star Wars universe after all, huh?
I don’t see this idea in the same category.
If we are making a saga edit (which tends to put Vader/Anakin in the foreground) then this idea makes sense.
The question becomes (in my mind) WHEN does Vader find out? Between ANH and ESB? Lame!
But, again, these are my thoughts…

I hope I’m not coming off as a know-it-all, guys! Just throwing my 2 cents out there!
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#221369
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221369/action/topic#221369
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Man, that was a great idea for the digital Yoda! I can't wait to see that!
Basically, the first 2 or 3 shots we see of Yoda in AOTC looked decent.
The rest just didn't work for me. I'll watch it, but it still throws me off.
I kept watching from Puppets To Pixals thinking: "You guys should be motion capturing Frank Oz performance! Not making up your own!"
They kept putting emotion in his eyes and facial features.
But when Frank Oz performs Yoda, all the emotions come from the movement of the face and body!
In AOTC, Yoda turns his eyes to look at something. In ESB, Yoda turns his entire face and/or body to look at something!
This is entirely different animation than what Frank was doing. The got a few of his mannerisms down, but not his overall acting and movement.

OK, I'm done ranting!
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#220643
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/220643/action/topic#220643
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Thanks for pointing that out, Darth Richard. I had forgotten about that idea.
Personally, I’m not a big fan of this idea. The main reason being that the only scene with the emperor (from ESB) would be gone. I understand this is the saga edit, so we can’t be married to how it’s always been, but no emperor in The Empire Strikes Back? I’ll have to get use to that idea…
Unless we are talking about inserting a new scene into ESB…? This would probably be just as difficult.

I’m just trying to find a way to convey Vader finding out about his son without a lot of effects work…AND minimal reworking of scenes. Not to mention having to find alternate lines of dialogue for the main characters.

But I’m certainly not bashing the idea either. This might be one of the easiest solutions!
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#220586
Topic
The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/220586/action/topic#220586
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OK, sorry if I’m interrupting, but I had this idea for the Vader-finds-out-about-Luke in ANH.
It’s a combination of stuff we’ve talked about here, and stuff I read over at TF.net.

We all know it’s pretty much impossible to insert a scene where Vader lands on Courascant (spelling?) and finds out about Luke. But what if it happened on his TIE?

Vader could hack onto the rebels radio wave (or whatever you’d call it) listening to some (if not all) of what they are saying during the battle. This could explain that little thing he’s always twisting around. (What-the-crap is that? A thermos?)

We could rerecord one of the other rebels’ lines of dialogue using the name “Skywalker” (instead of just “Luke”). Vader could hear the name and maybe repeat it: “Skywalkah!” as JEJ says it so beautifully! So now we’re seeing Vader realize that it’s his son on-screen.
But then, of course, Han shows up and there’s no time to do anything.

But if you don’t like that, we could have it happen after the death star going boom. Instead of rebels, we could have an imperial officer contact Vader with the name of Skywalker.
The officer could say something like: “blah, blah, blah, SKYWALKER…I will transfer the data to you and the emperor immediately…”
Vader interrupts and says: “No *couch* I’ll, uh, tell the emperor myself.”
Officer: ”As you wish, Lord Vader.”
This would explain why Vader seems to be hiding this from the emperor in ESB.

Now, just using existing Vader footage, reverse, slowdown, and/or rework it. If you need longer shots of Vader (because his inserts are pretty quick) you could find someone with the latest version of adobe after effects. In the new version, you can slow any piece of footage down significantly without it looking like it.

For those who wanna peak at it: http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/newfeatures.html
Then go to: See it in action, then click Timewarp.
It’s amazing! I wish I had the money for this!

Thoughts anyone?
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#203424
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203424/action/topic#203424
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A trailer, huh? I didn't even think about a trailer! That'll be fun!
You could mimic the original ATOC teaser with your new shots in inserted-...Oh!
OR you could mimic one of the OT trailers like the original Star Wars teaser...man, what a horrible narrator was that guy!
Might be a fun nostalgic way of showing off your work...plus giving it a OT feeling...OR it could just be a pain!


"...At least Phantom Menace had some structure to it. However, this editing has been great because now, I really understand the deeper reasons as to why it was poorly done."

Interesting. I would like to hear more!
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#203221
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/203221/action/topic#203221
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(My first post in this thread)

Awesome clip, Trooper man!
Yeah, I would also suggest that you add in a few shots from ATOC when possible. Some shots of Mace would be good.
I'm also wondering if you could add in some more lightsabers and blaster shots to some of the backgrounds in Dune...just to make it feel a little more like Star Wars...?
I'm sure that would take more time, but it just might be worth it.
But I DO like what's happening!

...I was also wondering what the new Anakin voice sounds like...?
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#197069
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197069/action/topic#197069
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Commander Courage:
A pan down to Dagobah might be exactly what you need for an opening shot. Maybe you guys will hate this, but I’m thinking of ROTJ in a similar way to Return Of The King. ROTK had a very interesting opening shot to say the least: a worm? A very quiet opening scene…just like the Dagobah scene would be…I’m not married to the idea, though…

Oh, another crazy idea for ROTJ:
Have a similar end credits sequence like ROTK where all the main cast members have their name and a still image. Know what I’m talkin’ ‘bout? The only thing is it would be hard to credit certain characters like Darth Vader because so many people played him.
Somethin’ to chew on…
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#196836
Topic
The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196836/action/topic#196836
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"And Sluggo, the opening of RotJ is becoming the opening of ESB. It's not at the end of the film it's at the beginning. But we do have 2 takes of the same scene to work with here, and it's always nice to have options."

I certainly like where all of this ROTJ stuff is going! The little problem I have is with the sentence above. And the only reason I have a problem with it is because of this: As I understand it, ANH and ESB will now have a SD flying overhead for the opening shot...correct? So what will the opening shot be for ROTJ? I guess I just don't like the idea of having the "star destroyer flying overhead" shot for two back-to-back episodes and NOT for the 3rd...did that make sense? I hope so!

I'll stop typing now
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#193815
Topic
The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/193815/action/topic#193815
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Hello everyone!

I've just recently found this forum/thread and I am amazed at what is taking place with these edits! (that also goes for SOTDS too!)
Hopefully some of my own ideas you can use...or at least maybe give you something to think about!

Erikstormtrooper: I love the idea of placing the first scene of ROTJ in ESB (although I wouldn't want to change the ending of ANH)
However, I don't know if placing it at the beginning of ESB would work. Unless someone was able to change the apperence of the death star, the question becomes: Why hasn't the death star been completed from ESB to ROTJ?...maybe seeing the death star the way we saw it in ROTS could work?
I guess I like the idea of seeing the death star in some form in ESB. It goes along with the whole saga feel you guys are going for!

A small idea for ANH: The scene of Tarkin listening to that officer talking about the abandoned rebel base...shouldn't that be a hologram instead? ANH seems to be the only movie that doesn't have any kind of hologram! I think Tarkins eyes move away towards Vader or something...but you could then cut to a close up of the officer...? I know, I know, it's probably a huge pain to do...sure would be cool though!

Keep up the good work!