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Bingowings said:

I will also be trying my hand at making the Rebel briefing room look less like a plywood collection of left overs from the other movies.

I'd like to see your efforts in that area too.

Yes I would love to see some tests from both of you.

To me it looks to clean and perfect! Why Lucas? Why?!!  :)

adywan said:

Octorox said:

I have a Canon HV30 (1080p), it even has a 24p mode. What do you need shot?

it would basically be all the new models and set pieces i'm having to make to replace certain shots. i am shocked just how much the UK is getting ripped off with prices after following those links. The canon would be a godsend because i just love canon cameras ( i own a 350d digital SLR & the quality is unbelievable) but at the prices we're getting charged it could never be a possibility

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Awesome work Ady! I would have never thought you would actually go out of the way and build models and set pieces and film new elements to composite into ESB:R I would have thought you would go the CGI rout instead like you did with the Tie intro in ANH:R, but building models and set pieces would be alot more realistic than CGI anyway.

Just curious, how are you going to accomplish the two ties colliding with each other. Are you going to actually going to crash 2 models into each other?

well for that sequence i have to build an entire new canyon to fly the camera through because the original background elements are just too bad to use. the ships i may be able to keep but if not i'll just film new elements using the TIE models separately and i can collide them easily in after effects. the hell part will be building the canyon due to the size it needs to be.

I'm also going to be building a new wampa head with horns, shoulders & arms to replace the original puppet. this way i can also replace the weird looking wampa shot as it lunges at luke in the cave. I'm starting work on that later in the week so as soon as that is finished i will post some photos.

I have also decided that if i can get the camera i'm going to be doing some behind the scenes vids showing the new models & how they were filmed. so you'll get to see the complete process on how certain shots were done from start to finish.

 This is great! I love the idea for a behind-the-scenes vid...

And a wampa puppet? Sweeet...

And the worm clip is great! It does help to slow the worm down...

This 2nd and 3rd death star idea for ROTJ could be amazing!...nice ideas Bingowings! and everyone else!

I'm not a big fan of seeing admiral Peitt having a change of heart...that's just me though...

But I would say keep working at it...this is great!

Bingowings said:

Rather than spending nearly two decades building a Death Star (that it would later take three or four years to rebuild bigger) here are the Sith over-seeing the construction of the new Imperial Star Destroyers :

Very nice...this is basically what Adywan said he's going to try in ROTS:R.

Bingowings said:

If it could be done I'd try dubbing Yoda's repeat of his first lesson to Luke while he is dying so instead of saying "Once you start down the Dark path etc..." He says the lines from ROTS "Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not" (it may be impossible to modulate and break up the line to get that near death performance but I'll give it a go).

Yoda is sensing that Luke's doubts are growing now that he is losing his teacher, Ben later reminds him not to underestimate Vader and the Emperor.

Luke got the dark path lesson in ESB he hasn't received that nugget of wisdom from Yoda yet and it would be a sensible parallel with Anakin's fear of losing his wife and Luke's fear of losing his sister being the pivots on which their anger and potential to do evil balance.

 Woah...this could be a good idea...hmmm

Bingowings said:

Yes it's rough, it's meant to illustrate a concept not wow an audience so I'm fine with that.

It does demonstate that to get the scene to work Ben really needs to be indoors or at least near some rocks, his sitting down in thin air looks very wierd (I know he's a ghost so he doesn't need to sit down but sadly George/Sir Alec/Mark/Mr Marquand etc didn't think that through).

I will try to fiddle about with the film myself and put it onto Youtube and compare the various approaches suggested here (and mine will probably look as slick as yours, maybe not even as slick it will be almost my first attempt at this sort of thing).

Yeah, you're right about the sitting down of Obi-wan...unless we can keep him from sitting! ;)

I look forward to seeing your ideas, Bingowings...I also have a couple of ideas I haven't yet tried...

Anyone having trouble with seeing my vids? I think most were taken down...?

Bingowings said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that two random droids coming to a gangster's palace with a message from someone who's a friend of a current prisoner would be commandeered and put to work.  I don't have a problem with the lack of the message - the point of the message was to A) communicate to the audience that Luke is now a Jedi, and b) remind the audience that Solo is imprisoned.  In our theoretical edit, both of these things have already been clearly communicated through Boussh's delivery of Chewie, where Jabba shows off Solo, and through Luke's conversation with dying Yoda.  In this edit, the message is redundant, but we still need the droids there for the sail barge part.

Not exactly because sending the droids of as a gift deliberately puts the droids into position take away the message and the audience doesn't know why Luke sent them there and their capture will seem more of an accident than part of a plot on Luke's part.

Besides the message show's that Luke gave diplomacy a chance and used violence as the last remaining option (short of leaving Han where he was and letting Leia get herself killed or worse still captured and trained by the Emperor).

 

I'm not trying to promote myself but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOnxPTb9sP0&feature=channel_page

This might address some of the things you've brought up...

Good point about the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd acts...Pushing the emperor on the DS2 scene to *after* the sail barge fight makes some sense...hmmm...

ChainsawAsh said:

RETURN OF THE JEDI:
- NO "STAR WARS Episode VI"
- Entirely new opening crawl (necessitated by story changes)
- Entirely new opening logo
- Anamorphically-enhanced GOUT video
- New menus
- Radical re-edit of film

This will be the most drastically different.  The edits I plan to make reflect the "ROTJ Fan-O-Matic" thread quite a bit ("SomethingStarWarsRelated," you will be credited for your ideas in my edit, even if I don't distribute it widely), such as:

- The film will either open on Tatooine with Chewbacca being brought in, then Vader arriving at DSII, or vice-versa
- I'm toying with the idea that Leia is already there, and Han has long been unfrozen and is in the dungeon already, but this may not happen
- Luke is already on Dagobah, Yoda dies, Luke/R2 leave
- R2 and 3PO go to deliver the message, but get put to use as slave labor instead
- Luke comes to the palace at night, is captured (possible Rancor removal, not sure yet)
- BOBA FETT WILL NOT BE IN MY ROTJ AT ALL
- Sarlacc fight will be edited for silliness reduction
- Emperor arrives at DSII
- Rebel briefing, Luke may just not be present at all
- HEAVY editing on Endor to reduce Ewok silliness
- The rest of the movie will basically play out as before, but there will be no mention of Luke/Leia as siblings, and general silliness/cheesiness will be removed
- Hopefully a new/restructured ending to bring the trilogy to a more satisfying end

Well, that's very nice...thank you, ChainsawAsh. The reason I've been putting together these ideas is so that someone will use them! :)

ChainsawAsh said:

What works better is:

- Start off with Vader visiting the Death Star
- Boushh delivers Chewie (paint out Threepio, since he's not there yet)
- Luke on Dagobah, Yoda dies
- Leia rescues Han, is captured (again, paint out Threepio)
- Han talks with Chewie
- Luke lands on Tatooine, after getting out of X-Wing says "I can't do it R2" then hears Obi-Wan from inside the hut, goes inside and has conversation with Obi-Wan (could also start inside hut)
- Droids go to Jabba's palace, get captured ("message" is never delivered)
- Luke arrives at the palace, Rancor, Sarlacc Pit
- Emperor arrives on Death Star
- Luke arrives at the meeting (greeting part goes first), then briefing commences, ending with a nervous pause after "General Solo, is your srike team assembled?"

The rest of the movie would pretty much play out without more drastic structuring changes, but obviously with toned-down kiddie B.S.

This is the way to go-...although I might make a few a changes...

- Start off with Vader visiting the Death Star
- Boushh delivers Chewie (paint out Threepio, since he's not there yet)

* I believe the above two scenes *could* be flipped. I can't decide...I figured it was worth mentioning...

- Luke on Dagobah, Yoda dies
- Leia rescues Han, is captured (again, paint out Threepio)
- Han talks with Chewie
- Luke lands on Tatooine, after getting out of X-Wing says "I can't do it R2" then hears Obi-Wan from inside the hut, goes inside and has conversation with Obi-Wan (could also start inside hut)

*Again, I don't think the hut will work...but I won't say it's impossible with Adywan ;)

- Emperor arrives on Death Star

*Obi's last line "...but they could be made to serve the emperor" works well with *this* scene being next.

*The next day on Tatooine...

- Droids go to Jabba's palace, get captured ("message" is never delivered)
- Luke arrives at the palace, Rancor, Sarlacc Pit
- Luke arrives at the meeting (greeting part goes first), then briefing commences, ending with a nervous pause after "General Solo, is your srike team assembled?"

Bingowings said:

ben_danger said:

Bingowings said:

It would be great to see old Ben back on Tatooine where the story began (from a certain point of view) one more time.

Shame it couldn't be back at Ben's old hermitage.

 

surely that could work? if someone were to move him to tatooine, like somethingstarwarsrelated did, they could make a matt of bens homestead based on the one we see in ANH? the x wing could even land there?

 

The difficulty is moving the actor's around the set in a realistic fashion.

Ben might be doable (he is a ghost so the audiance expects a small degree of missmatch, but to do look right you'd have to get a real actor in a real set and mix in Mark's performance in a convincing way.

More hybrid fan film/fan edit action, not impossible but really hard work to pull off.

This is a really rough knock up but it can be done is the background is in sync with the foreground image which is hard enough to do with one frame but even harder in a long sequence.

 

That's why I've suggested outside...at night...it would be much easier to make it look convincing. The lighting would basically be the same. If Adywan could change out the Tatooine skies in ANH:R and make it look seemless...well, I bet he could pull off the Tatooine night skies...

Octorox said:

Yeah. I still feel that the scope of some of these edits is beyond an OT revisited projects. The revisited projects have generally been about fixing and adding, not moving around and taking away. I guess if Ady did a Purist DVD9 for this edit I wouldn't mind the radical changes however I couldn't consider it the "definitive edition of ROTJ" like I do with ANH because if you change too much it ceases to become ROTJ anymore. small tweaks along the way like the ADM prequel edits I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't want to see the movie completely gutted and rearranged. I'd prefer another editor tackle that or even Ady on a separate project.

Well, just be aware that Adywan will be changing *some* things...for example: the ending will be different...he's said before that he's going to *attempt* to kill Lando in the falcon. And of course, he's also said that the PT will be getting a complete make over...

I know my version is pretty out there...*I* don't want all of the changes I've done in Adywan's edit.  :)

ChainsawAsh said:

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

 I'm actually not sure about that yet... ;)

It's Obi-wan's transparency issue isn't it? Well, I've looked at that scene pretty closely and believe it or not Obi-wan is only transparent in a handful of shots. I *think* it could actually be worked around.

It might even be possible to have Obi-wan simply standing through the entire conversation. You could have Obi-wan kind of fade/flicker in and out using a still image of his body while using his talking head. Does that make sense? I've have to try and make a rough version of this...

Now of course even if all of that worked out it still may not look right...having to do so much roto-ing and all of that...

vaderios said:

Nothing usefull, just I liked the process :)

-Angel

 I really like these ideas! The two hangers we are shown in ROTJ should definantly look different.

darthmunky said:

This reminds me. Is Ady gonna put new skies in for Tatooine like he did in ANH:R?

 I hope so. Everything looks bright and colorful-...just like the PT!

The backgrounds need to be desaturated a bit...those vey blue skies and red sand dunes...it would probably help to get rid of any clouds in the background too.

I ALSO hope Ady will look at the endor forest. The greens seem to be all over the place. From scene to scene and from shot to shot.

Bingowings said:

ChainsawAsh said:

That's an interesting idea, but I don't know how you'd get it across using existing footage.

A shot of Slave One heading off into space, A shot of Slave One heading towards the Rebel fleet, a shot of Fett hanging around in the background of the briefing out of sight of Han and the rest and no mention of the Bothan spies.

Leia : "I hope it's worth the price we paid" 

vaderios I'm sure, could knock out some wonderful mock ups.

This is a cool idea but without any of our heros having some sort of reaction to Fett (especially Han) being there I'm afraid it won't make much sense...

ChainsawAsh said:

That's an interesting idea, but I don't know how you'd get it across using existing footage.

I guess what I was thinking was using the exterior shot of Jabba's palace with the burping frog thing. Get rid of the frog and grab a shot of Fett's ship from ESB and have it leaving the planet.  What do you think?

Bingowings said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

There IS the option of having him at Jabba's at first and then use some exterior of the palace with Fett's ship leaving in the background. That way he's gone from the sail barge fight...

Just in time to sell the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels?

 

 

There ya go.  ;)

There IS the option of having him at Jabba's at first and then use some exterior of the palace with Fett's ship leaving in the background. That way he's gone from the sail barge fight...

Yeah, I think it *could* work. The only thing wrong with the inserts is that Luke is wearing his jedi cloak thingy...but when he enters the scene he's not wearing it.

ben_danger said:

i really like what youve done with han in the rebel briefing, the pause works really well. i also like how you are adding more force stuff for luke in the rancor pit.

i really hope ady will use some of these ideas of yours (if you are ok with that!)

 Thanks  for the feedback guys!

I like Han in the rebel briefing too...I knew that I wanted to change the ending of that scene. I never really liked how once Luked showed up the briefing just fell apart. This ending seems a little more logical and it makes both Han and Liea's characters a little more interesting...IMHO

Oh I'm very much OK with Adywan using any of these ideas! ;)

New clips up at http://www.youtube.com/user/SSWR1

If you feel you'd like to post a comment about a clip I'd love to see the comments HERE and maybe not so much at the link above...in other words I'd rather keep the conversation here  :)

ben_danger said:

the thing i love about endor, is how the rebels are all in camo to obviously stay hidden from the empire, yet they take a bright golden robotic man with them? sadly i guess he is integral to the plot...:P

 

any ideas to using obi wan in endor? i'd like to see some of softi han being cut down perhaps (less furry cuddles i guess!)

 

really really glad youre still working on this one!:) id like to see some experimental clips or cuts like the ones you posted earlier if youre comfortable posting them up!:)

Yeah, ya know it's sad because in ANH and ESB you get to see and hear from alot of the different rebels which is great. But then you get to ROTJ and all you get is a couple of shots of Wedge and Admiral Ackbar. Yes you see the troops who come with Luke & Co. but they're always in the background and you never hear them!

Obi on Endor? You mean moving Luke and Obi's conversation to Endor? I had thought about that a long time ago...never really tried it...coudn't really think of a good place to put it.

Yes, I've trimmed some of Han and Liea's talk up in the trees...it should be a little more natural..."I...can't...tell...you!" Terrible. Just terrible.

I'm gonna try and post a couple of clips tonight if I can. The clips I post will always be experimental. I don't have the time or knowledge OR software to pull this off right. I *hope* my clips can be helpful for future edits of ROTJ (*wink*wink* Adywan)...people can see what might work and maybe not dismiss certain ideas right off the bat-...or they'll know right away that it doesn't work by watching my clips! ;)

Yeah, actually...I've got a few more ideas comin' down the pipeline...I'm just kind of making my way thru the movie.

I'm in the ewok village now...I'm finding it hard to cut stuff out (as most people probably want the ewoks out)...I've cut some of the cute close ups but it's hard cutting anything else...

I'll try and finish up some ideas and post them soon...

IMPERIAL COMMANDER: "Lord Vader, we can't board the Rebel ship yet, The LSO haven't started up the Imperial March."

DARTH VADER: "Williams, just play that boring Imperial Motif, the Sith have no need for grand entrances."

JOHN WILLIAMS: "Tell that to the designer of that enormous white triangle you guys came in on."

FAN NERD: "It's not white it's very light grey."

FAN EDITOR: "Not when I'm through with it."

THAT is funny!

I'd like to see a better love story in AOTC. Here's a rough version I made that I think works pretty well...

http://rapidshare.com/files/183848266/LoveStory_01.avi.html

I wanted to make it so Padme falls for Anakin more easily and naturally. First, I cut the politics. Everyone else tends to leave this in their edit. Not sure why. I never got the impression that Vader cared much about politics. I never really liked these "flashes" of the darkside in AOTC anyway. I cut the dinner scene. Anakin saying "grumpy" is terrible. I tried to get to the meat of the confession scene where Anakin declares his love for Padme and cut all of the cringe inducing dialogue along the way.