No problem. There’s 3 sylables in “Skywalker” so if you can get in there and play with the pitch of each sylable, you might get it to sound better.
How about taking windu saying “skywalker” from ROTS? “Take a seat, young Skywalker”.
Thanks for sharing your wip edit! I like to see everyone’s take on AOTC scenes especially. I do like some of what you got…and there are some things I’m not as fond of. It’s all subjective of course.
I do like the cut from “quite as a tomb” to zam.
While it’s nice to have the bickering gone between Anakin and Obi, imho it feels a bit off with staying inside padmes bedroom the whole time. It felt we should cut back to the Jedi…but maybe that’s just from seeing this scene a million times.
Personally, I don’t like cutting all of the zam speeder chase. I’ll be cutting a huge portion of it but not all.
And I’ve never been a fan of the nightclub scene or the conversation before the Jedi enter.
As far as I can tell, there’s nothing we gain by going into the nightclub.
I believe I’ve found a way to have zam crash and the Jedi pick her up and move her to the back alley. Now it just looks like she’s injured from the crash.
I hope that didn’t sound like I was bashing your cut. Just my thoughts. Obviously there are going to be things the majority of us agree on cutting or fixing. Then there are other things that are more subjective. Things like: “this moment just feels like Star Wars to me” or “I’ve always like this certain shot”.
While I’m sure I’ll mess with this scene again in the near future, I’ll probably keep a good chunk of it the same. I know I could cut it down but I’ve added that additional dialogue to better flesh out the Jedi order and how Anakin feels about some of it.
Or is there something I’m just not understanding? By looking at my cut, what specifically are you suggesting I cut? I hope I’m not coming off like a know-it-all ass. I’m honestly interested.
@NeverarGreat
Excellent video…all 3 parts. I’d never seen these. This guy seems to know what he’s talking about.
I openly admit I’m no screen writer. Plus it makes things more difficult when you have to make alternate dialogue work with lip sync.
I hope to eliminate all predatory and creepy (not to mention whiny) behavior from Anakin. He’ll obviously have some flaws. But the flaws need to seem reasonable…like the flaws we can see in Luke. We don’t dislike Luke for these flaws, we relate with him because of them. We see ourselves in him and his choices and actions.
“But take away Anakin’s predatory and creepy behavior and you have removed his most distinctive and interesting trait.”
Wow, I can’t argue you on this! 😉
As far as eliminating this behavior: I think something that will really help is by removing certain shots of Anakin. Those overtly creepy shots (“I’m sorry M’lady”) OR giving them another context by reworking the dialogue.
I hope to show more clips in the future of what I’m talking about…giving you guys more context. If this is not working…then…I don’t know what I’ll do.
This is looking great, Adywan! I’ve been waiting for ROTJ to finally come around! There’s probably no point in my pointing this out because you’ve probably already seen it buuuuut: at around 33 seconds into the clip Sy raises her arm and you can see the rod that operates it.
By-the-way, how have I never noticed the fireplace behind Jabba?
@4throck
Once again, thanks for the feedback. And YES I would love to see your version. I want to see as many different versions as I can.
Anakin’s creepiness:
I would like to know if the general consensus thinks he’s still too creepy. My goal (in that instance) was to go a bit meta, referencing his creepiness in the original version PLUS attempting to have more chemistry between the two. Really, that particular idea came about when I was playing around and reversing footage. It looked funny so I found a way to use it. I sort of fell in love with that moment. BUT if the general consensus is that it’s creepy, I’ll cut it. I want to make Anakin more chill and NOT creepy at all.
As far as Anakin not being important in this movie and being a secondary character: I can’t say I agree. While it probably should have been written that way to being with (especially if you wanted to make the “I am your father” scene a surprise) it really wasn’t. My plan is to repurpose any appropriate dialogue from Anakin while changing a sh*t ton of the rest. The idea behind that is it will help make him a likable well-rounded character.
As far as Padme goes, I would argue she is a lead. Yes, she calls the shots a lot but my plan is to alter that in some cases to have Anakin do it instead.
I really want to make Anakin the “official” lead if you will. And I think it can be done. It will, at the very least, be more in line with the OT where you have Luke, Han and Liea. In this case, it’s Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme. Anakin being the link between the other two…since Obi and Padme spend very little time together.
Believe me, I’m not afraid to cut stuff. I’m already cutting that palace scene and looking at cutting more. I’ve seen people cut scenes and entire storylines out of the prequels which can work. But for this edit, I’m challenging myself to instead repurpose as much as I can to make something closer to what we all wanted…at least I hope!
I don’t believe I’ll be cutting the transport scene because I’ve been able to insert some info that I think is necessary to the plot of this movie and more so to the next. Anakin and Windu must be set up properly. And leaving these rules about “Jedi love” a bit vague works for me. It has become (in-world explanation) more of a tradition that Jedi don’t get romantically involved with others. There’s not one rule the Jedi could point to and say “See? Right here! Can’t marry!” but there are other writings that seem to indicate it. I hope to be able to fully communicate this in the edit.
Even though I disagree with some of your thoughts, this was also very helpful. Please continue to comment if you so desire.
I DO NOT want to go along blindly making this thing and it end up sucking. Again, if I get a lot of others saying similar things, I’ll reconsider just about anything. I also think it will help if I can post some more clips for more context.
@4throck
Thank you for your feedback. I can’t respond in full at the moment…it will probably be tomorrow. But thanks for taking the time to watch and type your thoughts.
Excuse me, what’s deepfakes?
Sorry I don’t know if you’re kidding. Deepfakes is the process of putting nic cages face on everyone else’s using a certain software I don’t understand. 😉
Here’s an interesting one
https://youtu.be/ANXucrz7Hjs
That channel has some pretty cool videos…including some tutorials.
I haven’t kept up with all of this but this last clip is working very well! I can also see where there could be a slight disconnect…Rey realizing it was R2 in her vision. But again, I do like how this is coming together. It’s very cool when essentially an entirely new scene can be made to fix and/or enhance an edit.
I finished this next clip sooner than expected.
Let me know what you think!
I’ll let you know what I was going for:
-Added line from palace scene specifically for the “isolated” line. I don’t like the palace scene but that line sort of helps further the idea that they’ll be safer from any bounty hunting.
-Tried adding some chemistry between these two.
-Padme smiles more.
-Anakin attempts some humor (also slightly referencing original complaints about Anakin’s creepy stare…BUT is it still too creepy to leave in in this instance?)
-Tried to make Anakin a bit more “cool” if you will, with the way he speaks to Padme. In the original, he just seems too try to hard to make her like him.
-Leaving “Jedi love” rules a bit vague on purpose…making this more about Windu’s personal take on the Jedi Scriptures furthering Anakin VS Windu idea for the edit.
Is this scene working? Did anything feel “off”?
@ ben: I like the idea of Qui-Gon seeing the Sith in a vision. Probably easier to achieve than what I was originally thinking. Maybe show a vision of the Sith and cut to Qui-Gon opening his eyes (shot from the Maul battle from TPM) but instead he’s in Yoda’s chambers meditating?
I’m trying to get around to posting another clip with some more ideas BUT…
If anyone cares to, could you watch my first clip again and give me your impressions? I know most don’t care for my voice but does the dialogue and exchange work? Is there too much said off screen? Does R2 alerting the Jedi work? I’ve never seen anyone else edit it that way. It took me forever to figure out how to not only cut back and forth but to rework it so Anakin and Obi basically start at the balcony and move closer and closer to the bedroom. But does it work? Anything feel off?
Wow that looks pretty good. I didn’t realize how different the eyes are. Seriously, has anyone started messing around with deepfakes? Could something like this be done?
Looks fine on my phone. 😉 Damn, it really works and adds some much needed humor. I like your subtle edits like removing “we are encouraged to love” - insert creepy smile
How weird would it look if you could essentially roto and insert Anakin into the existing blu ray footage? Obviously you’d have to manipulate a lot of it and CC it. Would the footage of Anakin not stand out as much? I don’t know enough about this stuff.
Well I feel stupid. Interesting note: there is slight movement on the blu ray shots (like in the link above posted by timdiggerm) but it appears Adywan has stabilized those shots in Revisited.
@littlev87
I’m not sure of another way for the bugs to get into the apartment. But, my for my edit, the droid has to be at the window for a certain Jedi to grab hold of.
Alright, Mr. Ben Danger. Let’s get into this…
I love the out-of-the-box thinking!
I like this idea of Dooku and Obi earlier in the movie using TPM footage. I’m not sure this scene is doable-…actually: is there anyone here on the forums dipping their toes into deepfakes yet? Please tell me there is! We need you! It could really help in a few instances.
I‘ll tell you what I’m currently thinking: Anakin and Obi-Wan are friends. Not Teacher and Student. Obviously Ben is older and wiser so he does kind of coach Anakin, but he is not his Master. Dooku is a rogue Jedi. His saber will be blue or green, not red. No purple for Windu.
As for Yoda, as much as I like this idea of cutting him altogether, I think I’m gonna need him. But I agree the interrogation scene and saber duel are flat. Earlier this year I looked at adding some of that interrogation dialogue into duel. Unfortunately I can’t just throw those shots into the dual. The eye lines and camera angels won’t work together. And Obi-Wan has blue sh*t all over him. 😉 But some of the dialogue could possibly work…
I love the idea of walking TO transports and not away from them. This is exactly the way I’ve been trying to think about these scenes. I started thinking about the whole movie and what if all the scenes played backwards? What if the end of the movie was the beginning? The clone troopers leaving for battle. What if the clone wars have already begun? Now, of course, with that idea, the obvious question becomes: if the clone war has already begun, then what is happening in the Senate? Why is Padme going there? Is she not opposing the creation of the army now? Why would someone be trying to kill her? I feel like those things can’t be lost. BUT you get the idea.
The outtakes….yes…as a matter of fact, can they be used? I mean, isn’t the video quality not very good? I would love to use one in particular: the sipping soup shot “God! That’s hot!” I would absolutely use that in my edit if there isn’t a noticeable dip in video quality.
Here’s the out-of-the-box thinking I’ve been doing: what if we could insert Qui-Gon into this movie (and later in ROTS) as a somewhat random Jedi? I was thinking since this is kind of Episode One, we as the audience need to have a proper introduction to the Jedi and Sith. So what if Qui-Gon encounters a Sith? Maybe he’s on Coruscant and he sees a shadowy figure (it would have to be Palps). The figure turns to meet his eye and smiles evilly. Before Qui-Gon can respond, a speeder passes between them and the next second, the figure is gone. Qui-Gon goes to the Jedi: “My only conclusion can be that it was a Sith Lord.” That conversation happens and then Obi and Anakin are next in line. “Track down this bounty hunter you must…”. Qui-Gon can then show up at the Arena at the end. And then (if I ever get to it) in ROTS he’ll die with all the other Jedi. Maybe THEN I’ll feel sad when the Jedi are dying. 😉 I don’t know….would that be too many things going on in this movie?
I certainly understand why one would want a little camera shake, but, personally, I love it that it doesn’t. Very OT imho.
Love it!
I’ve seen the bugs replaced by the laser. It’s obviously well done. Personally I like the build up with the bugs. They’re creepy. I realize how it would’ve made more sense for the laser fire instead. And i might have considered it more but the thing that pulls me out of that change is the fact that Anakin is not looking toward the window when he deflects the bolts. Personally that just pulls me out of the moment.
@snooker
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Yep! More or less. To me, it looks like Sam Jackson gives off that vibe already in his facial expressions. And of course that becomes more clear in ROTS. But yes I like the idea of Windu just not liking Anakin. So maybe we as the audience won’t know exactly what to think of him as a Jedi. I plan on dubbing Windu for this very purpose. I think those two are the only ones I’m dubbing. However I am on the look out for additional dialogue from other films for people such as Padme and Obi. Garden State has some lines from Portman I think might work. Anyone know of some other films where Ewan’s doing an English accent?
This is exactly what I used to do. When I had an idea, I would just release a clip. I guess I’ve had enough of a few ideas to finally try a full blown edit.
Well, I’ll tell you now that I plan for there to be many many new effects shots in this. You up for some rotoscoping? 😉
@LordZerome1080
Got anything uploaded anywhere? Currently I’m planning on keeping Ian as Palps but there could possibly be a need for a line or two.
@snooker
Hmm…I hadn’t really thought of it like that. Thankfully, this is not a decision I have to make right now.
Have you done any voice work?
Also, I apologize for not knowing this: you DO have your own fan edits?
@stickydixon
Good idea. It never made sense (to me) to cast someone who didn’t at least sound similar to JEJ. At this point, I don’t know what I’ll do. I don’t know if I can pull that off or if I can find someone else to. Right now I’ll continue to try and come up with dialogue that will help with fixing plot and character issues and of course adhere to the OT.
Hello everyone! I’m in the very beginning stages of my first fan edit of Attack of the Clones! I haven’t decided on a name for it yet. However, the idea behind this edit is that it is on an alternate timeline separate from the original. Some of the events of TPM might be eluded to but for the purposes of this edit, it doesn’t exactly exist. It’s almost like Superman Returns…it’s not exactly a sequel, but I guess I’ll be cherry picking things from TPM for this edit.
The reason I’ve started this thread so early in the game is to hopefully brain storm a bit with you guys. I plan on showing some early very very rough ideas and hope I can get feedback. There are so many things I want to change that in the process of editing, other events might be inadvertently affected. So I definitely would love a fresh set of eyes to help notice anything odd or out of place.
I have some very specific ideas I want to try and implement, and then other things I just don’t know what to do with.
SO…
Some overall thoughts/ideas:
With a few exceptions, most edits seem to leave in all of Anakins “dark” moments. I want Anakin’s character to be more in line with Luke. We basically won’t see any dark side to Anakin…just like Luke. Not that Anakin won’t have flaws but there won’t be any overt foreshadowing…at the very least, minimal. The whole Star-Wars-prequels-equals-Titanic angle I want gone. I want him to be a likeable guy who then turns evil in ROTS. Can you imagine if Luke had turned evil at the end of ROTJ? Now that would be tragic. That’s what I’m shooting for.
I will indeed be cutting scenes or shots that don’t seem to make sense from a narrative or character stand point, but want I REALLY want to achieve is to repurpose shots and scenes for different parts of the film to extend and/or possibly create new scenes. I want to create new moments or extend a moment that might already be there. This of course will be very difficult, so we’ll see how it goes.
My main goal is to make the internalization of the characters work. I want there to be more emotion and motivation from our heroes. Specifically Anakin. Therefore, Anakin is going to be dubbed. Because I’m replacing his dialogue, I’m finding ways to better set up Anakins relationships (Jedi, Obi, Padme, Palps, etc.). The challenge is to find the right balance. Some of my early attempts to change these things were a little too on-the-nose.
Changes to the plot is really secondary for me. Generally, the way I view all movies is that if I’m invested in the characters, I’ll give any plot conveniences and/or holes a pass. I certainly WANT to bring more simplicity/coherence to the plot, but I realize my limitations. I’m open to suggestions.
The fact is, I’m not sure what I want to do about the Trade Federation, the clones, the “mystery” plot and all the political stuff which has several issues (just watch Confused Matthew or Plinkitt). I’ve yet to see a version that I would want to implement.
I also want to bring things up a notch when it comes to the actual changes. I know with several fan edits, changes to the plot are put in the opening crawl. I certainly plan on changing the crawl but I’d rather show-and-tell than ask the viewer to read-and-remember the changes, all-the-while, scenes play out the same with the exception of a few omissions of dialogue.
Also, I don’t want to rely on flashbacks. I’m not particularly a big fan of edits that do this even when it’s done very well. Hell, I don’t really like it being used in TLJ that much. It just hasn’t been a part of (until TLJ) a Star Wars way of exposition.
There’s more I can get into later. What I’d like to do is go ahead and show you all a very rough clip. It doesn’t make sense for me to finesse it any further until I get feedback. I might be blind to some very obvious flaws. I thought about setting up the clip and what I’m trying to achieve but I’d rather you just watch and respond. I feel like I’ll get a better understanding of what I’ve done if you guys don’t know ahead of time.
P.S. I’m currently using DVD footage on a laptop. I’m hopefully going to be putting together a PC that will allow for bluray quality footage.
Thanks Ben! Glad to see you still around. 😀