Okay so maybe say “IN DEVELOPMENT” instead of “on hold”?
I thought I would mention it since that gets brought up regularly, but I can delete that comment.
Have edited the comment.
Always in motion, is the future. I expect plans to change depending on how audiences respond, it’s all concept until it’s out. Studios generally aren’t very good at planning ahead, all cautiously about the next move. This franchise business and nu-marketing strategy of “phases” and “cinematic universes” is a gamble, they throw out that slide with a decade of projections, it’s all just smoke and mirrors until it’s made, and this
administrationstudio has unarguably had a bit of a revolving door of creatives being shuffled in and out, with possibly just as many projects canned as have been announced (haven’t done the math, not sure if that checks out) or end up being restructured.
Out of curiosity I kind of want to layout creatives that have been involved with projects, and which projects were canned or heavily restructured.
COMPLETED
The Force Awakens - JJ Abrams and Co-Writer Larry Kasdan
Michael Ardnt also got writing credit, but he left the project after he couldn’t deliver a final script in their timeframe.
Rogue One - Gareth Edwards, Story Gary Whitta and John Knoll, Screenplay Chris Weitz and Tony Gilroy
Tony Gilroy replaced Gareth for extensive reshoots and the film was heavily restructured. It seems early cuts were just not what they had envisioned, but did not have any issues with Edwards himself.
The Last Jedi - Rian Johnson
Ironically to some fans, I’m sure, the film project with the least behind-the-scenes drama.
Solo - Ron Howard, Writers Lawrence and Jon Kasdan
Ron replaced Phil Lord and Chris Miller as director and the film had extensive reshoots due what was reported as a very improv approach with their direction.
The Rise of Skywalker - JJ Abrams and Writer Chris Terrio
Abrams and Chris Terrio replaced Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connoly as director and co-writer respectively. Reported reasons vary from drama with Trevorrow, backlash from his film Book of Henry, and Colin not being able to rework his script after Carrie Fisher passed away.
The Mandalorian - Jon Favreau & Dave Filoni
No reported issues that I’m aware of during production.
KNOWN FUTURE PROJECTS
Cassian Andor Disney+ Series - Showrunner Stephen Schiff, Co-writer & director Tony Gilroy
Seems to be moving forward but no recent news or projected release date.
Kenobi Disney+ Series - Director Deborah Chow, Writer Hossein Amini
Set to release 2020.
[note: apparently Disney is planning to focus on new Disney+ series in the coming years, so we may hear of more rumors or pitches in the future.]
Rian Johnson film trilogy - Still in early-stages of development with no known release date.
Kevin Feige film project - Also in early-development stages with no projected release date.
SCRAPPED PROJECTS
Boba Fett Standalone Film - Director Josh Trank
Cancelled after Trank’s Fan4stic debacle and other personal issues.
Kenobi Film - Director Stephen Daldry, Writer Hossein Amini
This seems to have been cancelled and adapted as a series due to Solo flopping, no issue with the director or writer.
Mos Eisley Cantina Film - * Rumored Director* James Mangold
Making Star Wars reported this film had studio space reserved for it at Pinewood. It also was apparently scrapped after Solo flopped.
Potential Solo Sequels - This may have only been a hope for Jon Kasdan and never officially planned.
Benioff and Weiss film trilogy/series - Benioff and Weiss reportedly left the project due to their deal with Netflix, but it is possible Lucasfilm had lost interest due to Game of Thrones backlash.
Let me know if I have made any errors or left anything out.
EDIT: The “hiatus” state of the Feige and Johnson film projects has been moved into “Known Future Projects”.
If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?
If anyone can actually remember what that particular color grading looked like for a movie they saw once, maybe twice, in theaters seven years ago, I’ll be impressed!
Scientist working with Werner Herzog is in some way connected to Kamino. Wild, probably wrong theory time: were the remnants of the Empire (precursor to the First Order) trying to clone Palpatine? Perhaps they needed to harvest midi-chlorians from another source?
Or maybe the yadpole itself is a clone (though, of course, I prefer to think Yoda and Yaddle got it on, and that’s why Yaddle left the council).
https://twitter.com/NumidianPrime/status/1194476747485536257?s=20
I’m sort of curious about how tracking forbs work. Basically it is like a GPS to the target’s exact location. How does that work? Is this a creature that was already in their possession and was taken, or are they trying to capture it for the first time? It seems the tracker was able to known which room the target was in, so they are somehow able to isolate its location.
Were the henchman guarding the room actually invested in the baby’s safety, or were they also in it for the money?
Maybe the Yoda’s species’ natural affinity with the Force makes them the best candidates for making Force-sensitive clones, and maybe a Force-sensitive clone army is this remnants long-term plan for reestablishing order. The Yoda species seem to have a very long growth period, but cloning allows for age acceleration, making the idea a bit more feasible maybe. Though honestly I would be surprised if their plan is this straightforward, because all I can picture is them having an army of Force-sensitive gremlins!
At the very least, it seems thatthe Empire’s interest in the Yoda species is on the basis of genetics, and all we know about them is that they might be naturally gifted with the Force. So maybe their genes are the key in creating Force-sensitive clones in general?
I picture the Star Destroyer shot being after the Death Star explosion, but before it cuts back to Han and Leia on Endor. That might be challenging to fit it within the musical cue of that sequence.
You would have to play with the sound effects and music, but I think if you slightly trimmed the explosion shot, and maybe cut out the first Ewok reaction shot (and let the first reaction shot be the shot of R2), you could make enough space within the confines of the score where you could fit in the shot of the Imperial armada retreat.
I know this is the Sequel Redux thread, but might as well have this conversation here.
When the Jedi put you on the Council but do not grant you the rank of Master.
I feel like it’s important to agree on some terminology here.
I submit for your consideration: yadpole.
YES. I second the motion to call baby Yoda “Yadpole”.
I’ve noticed some similar thoughts to others on here, as far as light criticisms, but honestly they’re very light concerns. This is the first Star Wars live-action show ever, and it might take some time to find its stride. But like Hal said, a show that is able to just exist in the Star Wars universe and explore it through the pov of interesting characters, it’s a dream for a Star Wars fan. I feel like Favreau and Filoni want the audience to get immersed in this world and journey this character is going on, and not be too worried about the destination just yet. I really enjoy it now, but I can imagine how enamored I would be with this show if I was 12 years old again.
As far as gripes, I guess the two main things are 1) it had an unusual pace imo, definitely more like it was just the first 40 minutes of a 6-hour movie than the first episode of a season, if that makes sense. Not a bad thing, just different.
2) His first bounty was kind of taking me out of it. My dad said he felt more like a Star Trek alien than a Star Wars one. I think they wanted a funnier character that could play off of the Mandalorian’s stoicism, so I can live with it.
Random thoughts:
If I had to guess, our Mando friend was orphaned during the Clone Wars, adopted by Mandalorians and now hates droids because the Separatists destroyed his village. I’m guessing the Empire wants to use Yadpole in some sort of Force-related experiment? I’m really curious about that. I thought the Mando Forge stuff was pretty cool! The Mando lore they’re touching on is really interesting to me. This kind of stuff does make me feel like this show is targeted more towards Star Wars fans than general audiences. I also really liked Nick Nolte’s character. I wouldn’t mind if he showed up more.
I love how the Mando actually used his rifle the same way Boba used it in the holiday special cartoon (and they mentioned Life Day!). Yeah they’re “Easter eggs” but they’re references that make sense. Definitely doesn’t feel shoe-horned in, imo.
Anyway, I’m liking it so far and looking forward to see how the rest plays out. I would say Dave Filoni’s live-action directorial debut was a success!
I picture the Star Destroyer shot being after the Death Star explosion, but before it cuts back to Han and Leia on Endor. That might be challenging to fit it within the musical cue of that sequence.
But could you show Obi-Wan’s failure and still save the reveal? Inevitably, it would be hard to make the prequels and not have Obi-Wan seem like he is lying to Luke in ANH.
I do agree with that. A clone Mandalorian army would’ve been a more exciting antagonists for the prequels.
That is such a difficult question for me. I mean, would the prequels not be about Anakin’s fall?
Especially with his disagreements with some of Kershner’s decisions, I doubt it. ESB went overbudget and he didn’t want that to happen again, which I’m guessing is partly why he had a tighter grip on ROTJ.
At least for me, while that’s definitely the way it feels it should be taken, how it was received by the audience seems off. While I can look at it and go, “Yeah, if the Jedi have lost their way, it makes sense,” a lot of the fans I’ve interacted with, (and significant chunks of Legends Continuity) seem to have taken it as not just, “The way Jedi are,” but inherently part of the Light Side of the Force.
I’m of the belief that the films missed the mark on what they wanted Jedi to be, but that I can at least see what it was aiming for.
Yeah, I think that is fair point! I think a way future stories could alleviate the discrepancy between the Prequel-Jedi and how fans saw Jedi before the prequels would be to have a story set in the Old Republic that shows how the Jedi transitioned into fundamentalism. Maybe the Jedi of the past had more freedom and were more swashbuckler, but maybe one or several Jedi fell to the dark side due to their attachment and the war that followed really wreaked havoc on the galaxy. And this conflict caused the Jedi to re-evaluate their code and they reacted by becoming more dogmatic and traditional (raising Jedi from birth, no possessions, monk robes, etc).
It could be one way to handle it at least.
The fact Yoda has the cat’s eyes is a nice touch. What would be some good captions for that photo?
I get what you’re coming from but I don’t think they’re the worst ideas, personally.
I felt the Jedi of the prequels were based off Buddhist monks who grow up in the temple and follow of a doctrine of non-attachment. George creating the flaws of this mindset were intentional, and the Jedi fearing attachment was meant to be their downfall.
Pop Culture Detective’s video The Case Against The Jedi Order highlights the problems you mention, but also comes to the conclusion that it was a mistake on Lucas’ part to portray them this way. But like I said, I believe portraying them this way was the point. Maybe the Jedi weren’t always this way, but after countless wars against Sith and fallen Jedi, the Order eventually became more dogmatic in an attempt to avoid that cycle.
Regarding the Force, I think it really depends on your interpretation. If the Force is meant to be taken as a form of religious belief, then the Jedi’s power stems purely from faith, believing in the Force. For Luke in ESB, the idea that he could lift his lightsaber from the snow, or a rock from the ground, is more believable than lifting a large ship from a swamp. Like Yoda says, size matters not. But of course, believing in yourself, or the Force, is still easier said than done, and this ability to let go of control is what separates a student from a master.
Really, the belief in lifting a ship is an extension of Luke believing he could make that impossible shot when destroying the Death Star. He let go and put his faith in the Force, and he did it.
All power in the Force stems from one’s belief that the Force can do anything, and letting go of one’s own preconceptions of what they, and the Force, are capable of. I think the simplicity in this message regarding the Force, which is faith and the power of belief, is what makes Star Wars so universal.
EDIT: Since this is a worse ideas thread I’ll throw out one or two.
I think Jar Jar Binks was one of George’s worst ideas, or at least the execution of it.
I also think Starkiller Base was a totally unnecessary idea. I can live with it but if I could change it I would.
The 2011 Blu-Rays didn’t have baked-in subs either. Same with Solo. Only TFA and Rogue One had baked-in subs on Blu.
Thanks for the answer! I do recall now that TFA on Disney+ no longer has baked-in subs, I believe (not like it had a lot to begin with).
@adywan They have added another change for the film on Disney+, in which Greedo says something to Han (likely an insult) before they shoot. Do you plan on including this change?
What do you think?
I’m a layman when it comes to this, but I believe someone mentioned earlier that alien subtitles were no longer baked in for some of the films. I noticed it with Greedo, but has anyone noticed if this is also the case for Jabba in ROTJ?
Also, is this the first time where the alien subtitles aren’t baked into the film?
POTENTIAL JEDI: FALLEN ORDER SPOILERS
Some datamined files from Jedi: Fallen Order over on r/StarWarsLeaks seems to show an image that all but confirms that the Jedi world of Ilum is Starkiller Base. This image appears to be Ilum around the height of the Empire.
Maybe this could be shown on one of the blank view screens in the Emperor’s throne room in ROTJ?
Ben shows no recognition toward R2 and C-3PO. Suggested edit: “Come here my old friend.” Could also cut out Ben saying he doesn’t remember owning a droid, even though it doesn’t technically contradict anything.
Looking back at this and I definitely think this would be the simplest change that would address this issue. If you had Obi-Wan acknowledge R2 while Luke is unconscious, but then pretend to not recognize him or 3PO later on, it can be written off as Obi-Wan just keeping the whole truth from Luke for the time being.
Dom, have you considered making a google doc or something that lists all lines potentially relevant to Prequel continuity that have been mentioned so far?
Duracell, do you mean you were hoping Kylo might’ve been pretending to be bad, like he was undercover or something?
Yeah, I think the term “bleeding” has been a gripe for some people regarding the new lore surrounding Kyber crystals, but I just understand it as a turn of phrase. If you just think of bleeding as “corrupting” a crystal rather than it literally bleeding, it makes more sense.
Huh, I actually really like this idea in theory, but without any scenes of Padme and Obi-Wan interacting, I don’t think the implication that she’s talking about Obi-Wan and not Anakin will be as a strong as needed to sell the idea. I’ll think on it.
The crazy thing is, there actually is a deleted scene of Obi-Wan and Padme interacting. And guess what outfit she is wearing?
It’s the exact same one from the other deleted scene, where she talks about wanting to speak with a Jedi she trusts. I used to think she clearly was referring to Anakin in that scene, but based off the fact she is wearing the same costume, she must have really been talking about Obi-Wan. The music in the scene sort of hints at it as well, since the Force theme is more closely associated with Obi-Wan.
Here is this scene in the script:
93 EXT. CORUSCANT-PADME’S APARTMENT-EARLY MORNING
Padme’s apartment building is surrounded by the smog-shrouded city of Coruscant.94 INT. CORUSCANT-PADME’S APARTMENT-LIVING ROOM-EARLY MORNING
PADME and OBI-WAN sit on one of the couches.OBI-WAN: Has Anakin been to see you?
PADME: Several times . . . I was so happy to hear he was accepted on the Jedi Council.
OBI-WAN: I know … he deserves it. He is impatient, strong willed, very opinionated, but truly gifted.
They laugh.
PADME: You’re not just here to say hello. Something is wrong, isn’t it?
OBI-WAN: You should be a Jedi, Padme.
PADME: You’re not very good at hiding your feelings.
OBI-WAN: It’s Anakin . . . He’s becoming moody and detached. He’s been put in a difficult position as the Chancellor’s representative . . . but I think it’s more than that. I was hoping he may have talked to you.
PADME: Why would he talk to me about his work?
OBI-WAN studies her.
OBI-WAN: Neither of you is very good at hiding your feelings either.
PADME: Don’t give me that look.
OBI-WAN: I know how he feels about you.
PADME: (nervous) What did he say?
OBI-WAN: Nothing. He didn’t have to.
PADME is a little flustered. She stands and Obi-Wan follows. She walks to the balcony.
PADME: I don’t know what you’re talking about.
OBI-WAN: I know you both too well. I can see you two are in love. Padme, I’m worried about him.
PADME looks down and doesn’t answer.
OBI-WAN: (continuing) I fear your relationship has confused him. He’s changed considerably since we returned . . .
They stand on the balcony and look off at the early morning city. OBI-WAN starts to leave. PADME stays looking off into the distant city.
OBI-WAN: (continuing) Padme, I’m not telling the Council about any of this. I … I hope I didn’t upset you. We’re all friends, I care about both of you . . .
PADME: Thank you, Obi-Wan.
OBI-WAN: Please do what you can to help him.
The fact that scene starts on the couch could help imply we’re jumping in mid-conversation. The sad thing is we may never get this scene, but a part of me hopes that if a Saga movie set comes out next year, maybe they will include some never-before-seen deleted scenes. This seems like it would be a great deleted scene to include, I guess we’ll see though.
A part of me still thinks the movie can work well without the scene, and perhaps even be a strength, but I guess it might be one of those things where you would need to show a first-time viewer and see if they would understand what it is implying. Padme says she wants to speak to a Jedi she trusts, and the next time we see her, she tells Anakin, “[Obi-Wan] came by this morning.”
Sure! Basically, the idea stems from two issues I had with the movie. First, Padme is heavily underutilized in this movie, and second, the “seeds of rebellion” scenes are not as significant as they seem. Yes, the first two deleted scenes do establish that Padme had meetings with what would become the rebellion, but all it builds up to is her confrontation with Palpatine as part of the “Petition of 2000”, and nothing comes of that meeting whatsoever. She never really seems to contribute to the proto-rebellion in any way. You could argue that Padme represents the last attempt at democracy before the Republic falls apart, but it ends up giving Padme little impact on the movie.
While I have never attempted it, I believe that if you could rearrange the scenes, it could recontextualize her story a lot.
So, chronologically, the first deleted scene we see would be when Padmé meets with Palpatine about the Petition of 2000. Palpatine “reassures” them that he’ll do the right thing, but does not promise that he will make no further amendments. This version would cut the reference to the regional governors, and just refer to more constitutional amendments in general. This scene would occur right after Anakin and Obi-Wan’s conversation about spying on the Chancellor. Both scenes are sunset scenes, so I think they fit pretty well one after the other time-wise. So, Obi-Wan asks Anakin off-the-record to spy on Palpatine, and then he would immediately go back to Palpatine’s office, where he is meeting with Padme on behalf of the Petition of 2000. Palpatine begins sewing doubt in Anakin regarding Padme’s honesty early on in the film.
The next deleted scene would be the meeting in Bail’s apartment. In this scene, the senators discuss Palpatine appointing Regional Governors across the Republic, which goes against the Petition of 2000’s wishes of making no further amendments to the constitution. This can’t go on any longer for them. Now, the “organization” that Bail alludes to more obviously appears to be referring to what eventually will be the Rebellion rather than the Petition, and going forward, everything Padme does is clearly for this new Alliance. The stakes have risen, and they can no long rely on simply democracy in a corrupt system. I do think this scene could be trimmed too, like how Padmé is being a Palpatine apologist, since she would have already seen that Palpatine can’t be trusted.
This scene should take place right before Anakin and Padme’s conversation about the Republic (where Padme is wearing the same outfit). Now, Padme’s hesitation to agree to not tell anyone clearly relates to wanting to talk to Anakin about it. Anakin, having previously been made suspicious by Palpatine, calls out Padme for sounding like a Separatist and snaps at her for pushing the subject. Padme drops it, and realizes that she can’t talk about this with Anakin.
The third deleted scene would be when Padme talks to the Senators about involving the Jedi in their “conspiracy”. The senators are hesitant, but Padme wants to talk to a Jedi she trusts. Originally, this scene ends with Bail telling her to wait, and try to see what the Petition of 2000 can do first, but we would cut all of that and leave the senators thinking on her request, not knowing if they agreed to it or not. This would make the scene rather brief, but I think it is important to keep. This scene would take place after the Opera scene (preferably right after), but before the “Has Obi-Wan been here?” scene between Anakin and Padme. By putting it before that scene, the “Jedi she trusts” would be heavily implied to be Obi-Wan. Plus, since the previous deleted scene established that Padme can’t talk to Anakin about it, it helps support the idea that Padme is getting Obi-Wan involved with the Alliance instead. That connection could also add further rationale for Bail’s connection with the Jedi, since Bail goes the temple immediately after the purge begins, and then goes looking for Obi-Wan and Yoda soon after. It could give the implication that Padme helped establish that connection between the Jedi and the future Rebellion leader.
Also, not having an actual scene where Padme and Obi-Wan meet could be a benefit, because it could put the audience in the shoes of Anakin, giving us the feeling that Padme and Obi-Wan are going behind our (and Anakin’s) back. The “not knowing” could help add some legitimacy to Anakin’s paranoia. In this version of events, Palpatine isn’t wrong about the seeds of doubt he plants in Anakin. Even though they have good intentions, the Jedi and a group of Senators are really making plans against the Chancellor. For obvious reasons, of course, but Palpatine is still technically right. He made them react exactly the way he wanted them to, and now when Anakin sees Padme and Obi-Wan together, it all but confirms to him what we have been seeing throughout the movie. By Palpatine sewing seeds of doubt earlier in the film, as well as giving Padme further motivations, I think it could actually add more perceived subtext to scenes with Padme just by the audience knowing there is more going on behind the scenes. Now everything Padme says could be interpreted in different ways.
To sum it up:
It is kind of hand-wavy, but sort of like Dom said, maybe Yoda did know Leia would be okay, but he was more concerned with Luke making the wise choice, basically as a way to test him. If Luke couldn’t make the right choice, then maybe he shouldn’t become a Jedi (and Leia should instead once she escapes). Maybe Obi-Wan, knowing who Leia is, couldn’t sense what would happen to her like Yoda could, so he did feel like Luke was their last shot.
Still, the way Yoda says it definitely makes it seem like he is referring to someone Obi-Wan doesn’t know. While “the other” didn’t make sense to me at first, I get why you are suggesting it now.
Hope we’re not hijacking you’re thread, Octorox, by having this discussion. Just let us know if you want us to move it someplace else.
sade makes a good point that there still seems to be this element dropped where Anakin is suspicious of Padme hiding something from him. Anakin seems to think something is going on between Obi-Wan and Padme (not necessarily romantic), and so when Anakin sees them together on Mustafar, it is like his fears are almost immediately justified, causing him to have such an extreme reaction and choking Padme. This is sort of where I got the idea to restructure the seeds of Rebellion scenes to imply Padme might be meeting with Obi-Wan, “a Jedi she trusts”, about the Rebellion and the conspiracy against Palpatine.
Additionally, I wonder if you could somehow tie Anakin executing Dooku with Anakin not being made a master (maybe the Jedi could review security hologram footage of his death), if that would help solidify Anakin’s views as the Jedi being hypocritical, and just as selfish as the Sith.
Alternatively, you could cut out more of the “Jedi are evil” lines and try to focus more on him just wanting to save Padme and selling his soul for it.
