RogueLeader

I wonder how good it would look to deepfake “Tarkin” at the end of ROTS with Peter Cushing’s face?

I do like the angle that Snoke uses Ben Solo to unite the Imperial remnants together by being the heir to the empire.

I also think it would emphasize an interesting dichotomy between the First Order and the New Republic. The Empire fell apart because their figurehead, the Emperor, died, leaving no clear ruler. Snoke could use Ben Solo, grandson of Darth Vader, to reunite those scattered factions of the Empire to a common cause. Then, when they destroy the Senate, the New Republic falls apart because they have no clear leadership. But Leia believes Luke, the last member of the Jedi Order, would have the power to reunite the Republic and work together to stop the First Order.

I was curious about the Jawa eyes last night. Do we know of those are their actual eyes or like goggles? If the former, maybe different tribes or ethnic groups of Jawas have different eye colors just as humans do. If they’re goggles, maybe there is something about Arvala-7’s star that makes them need different type of eye protection. I really loved all the Jawa interaction in this episode. Now I totally understand why Luke shoos them away from his landspeeder!

That’s so interesting about Herzog. It is cool to get his perspective on the production, and I totally agree with him. I think they struck gold with the baby Yoda idea. Cuter and more “Star Wars” than just a real baby, plus none of the actual logistical problems filming with a real baby would be.

Yeah, I also want to reiterate that this is a fictional alien species that we have little in-universe information on, so for all we know baby Yodas could go into a cocoon for a year and come out an adult. It seems weird to our understanding of human aging, but this is a different universe with potentially bizarre alien biology, so I would try to have have an open mind about it!

Imperial, I feel like the type of rationalizations you’re making for the prequels, with the same logic, could be just as easily applied to your issues with TLJ to excuse them. I can imagine someone having this exact same conversations 5 years from now, but trashing the newest trilogy as objectively terrible while talking about how the Sequel Trilogy is not as bad and “could’ve been much worse” in retrospect.

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

creating a lightsaber is part of Jedi training (established in ROTJ)

I don’t remember that. Been awhile though.

I think Vader implies Luke constructing his own lightsaber was an indication that his training was complete.

The exact time the Sail Barge henchman says that. It really does sound similar. And in that context it could also mean “This is the end for you” and totally fit.

TNT2 spreading some positivity.

Glad you made a thread for this! Looking forward to checking it out!

I made a lot of jokes about it with my friends when I first heard about it, but it turns out it isn’t as random as it seems…

People have pointed out that in the scene where Anakin saves Jar Jar from Sebulba in TPM, Sebulba actually says something to Anakin in Huttese that sounds similar to ‘maclunkey’ (or ‘mac-a-lunkey’). Sebulba sounds like he is saying “Nik ma chawo, wamo, mokili macalunkey” which translate as the phrase “Next time we race, boy, it will be the end of you.”

Also, in 2008 The Clone Wars movie, there is a scene between Jabba the Hutt and Obi-Wan where Jabba says something like “Nichutu clunkey za beezka”, which translates to something like “either dead or alive”.

So, maybe ‘clunkey’ could relate to dead or death in Huttese, so ‘maclunkey’ could mean “this will be the death of you” or “this will be the end of you”. Obviously “maclunkey” meaning all of that makes that small word have an apparent loaded meaning, but Sebulba’s line seems to imply that “maclunkey” could just mean “This is your end.” Present tense, perhaps, rather than future tense, like ‘mokili’ could possibly relate to.

Do I think this change is totally unnecessary? Absolutely. Do I think it is more likely this all just coincidental gibberish? Highly probable. But it does make me wonder if Lucasfilm actually has some psuedo-vocabulary they use for simple Huttese when writing alien dialogue for the actors/voice actors to speak, and the variations are just due actors pronouncing words slightly different or loose translations.

Random thought: would the Kylo Searches the Falcon scene raise a potential plot hole (maybe this is the wrong word) where Kylo could’ve just hidden a tracking device on the Falcon and then be able to follow Rey to Ach-To, and then her and the rest of the Resistance when they escape Crait?

Maybe he didn’t have enough time to consider it in the scene, since he only stayed on it momentarily before moving on to the next thing. If those Snowtroopers stayed there guarding it and Chewbacca came back and killed them, maybe he made sure to check the ship for trackers after they got back to D’Qar (maybe them returning is how “the Resistance is exposed” in this version of events). I know I’m overthinking it but I figured it was worth thinking through.

I do think that new VOs where you can imply this concept, and altering the opening crawl, are solid ideas. Although I think the biggest problem visually (outside of altering Starkiller Base) would be the First Order’s new gear and polished look. New ships, new armor, new weapons, not exactly what you would expect from a ragtag terrorist group.

You could just describe them as a small Imperial remnant maybe. So they have some resources, but they don’t have a massive fleet or anything (which could make this hidden fleet in Episode IX more important to the First Order).

I think another radical idea I’d like to brainstorm more would be making Starkiller Base a Star Forge-type device that allowed them to rebuild their fleet. It’s another interesting alternative to help explain how they were able to rebuild their military in secret.

Speaking of which, another attempt at the second paragraph of the TFA crawl:

While the New Republic debates
on the gravity of this new threat,
General Leia Organa mobilizes a
covert Resistance to prove to the
Senate that the First Order is
secretly preparing for war.

A little longer, 33 words, but the same count as the theatrical second paragraph.

This version of the crawl shows that the New Republic at least acknowledges the First Order, and some senators may even feel it is dangerous, but the democratic process is slowing them down from taking any action. It also shows that the Senate is unaware of the First Order’s military build up, and proving that to the Republic is the Leia’s primary goal. “Preparing for war” also foreshadows the military build-up we later see, with the new Star Destroyers, stormroopers, Starkiller Base and the mega star destroyer. It also lines up well with the deleted Leia scene where she sends Kor Sella to urge the New Republic to take action against them, and some senators thinking she is insane due to her beliefs (in this case, that the First Order is preparing for war).

I remember when I first heard about the new faction names, “First Order” and “Resistance”, I had assumed the First Order would be an Imperial remnant with territory the outskirts of the galaxy, and the “Resistance” was a rebel movement within First Order territory, like the French resistance in WWII. It would be interesting if that idea was established in the crawl, maybe with a phrase like, “within the First Order space”. But there isn’t much in the movie that supports that set up. And I guess the idea is that the are resisting First Order expansion.

NeverarGreat said:

It just made me realize that there are some similarities in this transition/scene, even though the feeling is a bit different and far more effective than some Frankensteined fan project (Spoilers for a decades old kids movie):

I didn’t not notice this at first but now I totally see it. The transition and the beeping sound are pretty similar! (and both involving a “dormant” droid). You must have this movie pretty ingrained in your memory to recall that similarity!

I feel like the aesthetic of the First Order sort of limits how you can portray them, I think. If Sequel Trilogy had featured an Imperial Remnant that was more rebel-like, I would imagine they’re gear and equipment being pretty haphazard. I think we will see this from Remnants in the 6-7 Era, like we are with The Mandalorian, but since the stormtroopers have slick new uniforms, I feel it does limit how you can portray them to some extent. Either they are being secretly funded or they have some kind of hidden resource, like Starkiller-Starforge idea.

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

Your_friendly_Imperial said:

The First Order never rules the galaxy, they don’t own a galaxy weapon with which they blow up Republic space, they don’t own star destroyers. They are the underdogs who try to stay under the radar of the New Republic. Their tactics are subterfuge and terrorizing civilians. Essentially make them the Taliban of the galaxy.

Any ideas on how you think this could be implemented?

ChainsawAsh said:

JawsTDS said:

This is setting a horrible precedent for streaming, but I’m also happy the 15SE is being rightfully erased.

The precedent was already set when Netflix wiped the original version of the season 1 finale of 13 Reasons Why from existence 2 years after the fact.

I didn’t hear about this, what was changed?

How should we handle situations where people bet the same numbers? Say if I do three prizes for opening, domestic, and worldwide, but two people got the right numbers for the opening (ie, $240M)? If it is a tie like that, maybe the tiebreaker can be whoever got the closer domestic/worldwide numbers.

That could work too. You might be right Outbound, but I think it would at least be worth trying to implement to even see if it holds up or not.
That’s a good idea snooker!

Well, at the very least you could keep the majority of those subtitles and just change “Ren” with “Hux”. You would still get the idea across that he was a janitor that was promoted to field duty recently. And Hux slapping Finn in TLJ night then seem more personal. It also makes more sense that Hux would have the authority to promote him more so than Kylo. This could at least be your option for now until you think of something else that might fit better.

I think this new music works well too! Might want to get some more input besides me. I liked how the little thump of the strings lines up with the shooting star!

Is it similar to another Star Wars movie scene or another movie entirely?

I think it is totally fair to be critical, because we obviously want the show to be as good as it possibly can. But since this is the first ever Star Wars live-action show, I think it would be good to keep an open mind at first, because the filmmakers are trying to find their stride, and we are also are subject to our own biases of what Star Wars is to us. And since this Star Wars as it has never been before, it obviously is going to initially feel a little weird from what you expect.

Try to imagine yourself being the same age you were when you first saw Star Wars. How do you think that version of you would react to this show?

It reminds me of playing with my Star Wars action figures with my cousin, making a stories, characters and adventures. I would loved watching this as kid (definitely more than the Endor movies!) I get the feeling Favreau and Filoni pulled from that same well of imagination that they used when they used to play with their own figures as well. So, when I sit down to watch the show, I try to let myself be a kid again and just have fun with it.

Anchorhead said:

Working on a lengthy post but left it in the form of a Word doc at the office. Will post tomorrow.
I just say this: I really liked it, even more than I thought I would. Oddly enough, however, not for the reasons I thought I would. I’ll explain.

Looking forward to it!

FreezingTNT2 said:

snooker said:

Explosions don’t happen in vacuums, though, so I guess a good edit would just erase all of them.

I understand what you mean, though.

To be fair there are bombs falling in space in The Last Jedi

There is artificial gravity within the bomber that propels objects with a downward force. Once the bombs exit the ship and enter zero gravity, the momentum created by that downward force is enough to propel them toward the Dreadnought below them. Yes, Star Wars is not the movie for you if you like hard science, but of all the physics-bending things you could point out in the franchise, this is one of the things that actually makes sense.

Broom Kid said:

The Gonk droid sound effect WAS different, wasn’t it?

I thought I heard it say something in droidspeak.

Smoking Lizard said:

I mean, come guys! Snap out of it! They have you in a spell! An evil Disney spell! They’re trying to sell you Baby Yodas at the theme parks! I promise you, this is terrible! Don’t make me burn you with the torch.