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#1282078
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HBO's <em>Game of Thrones</em> - Fan Edit Ideas
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Young Griff/Aegon Targaryen technically would be Rhaegar’s first son, so Dany’s nephew (like Jon is). But there are some theories that Griff is actually a pretender (though he might not even know that).

Basically, he is a Blackfyre and supposedly Varys and Illyrio have groomed him for the throne. So even if he is revealed as not a true Targaryen, the people might not even care because they still love him. But you’re right, Dany’s actions would make a lot more sense if she was dealing with him rather than Cersei. I think the key is making it to where Dany blames the people to feel like punishing them. What you said makes sense, so maybe we can think of an alternative, like that Missandei idea I had.

But you’re right, even if we were to try to fix things, it still won’t be perfect obviously. But you know, GoT has still been a great show, especially the first four seasons with some good moments in the following ones. I guess I would want to try to make some changes that might make the show more bearable for those who have loved the show, but have been disappointed by the last season or two and think it might affect their interest in rewatching the series eventually.

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#1282073
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HBO's <em>Game of Thrones</em> - Fan Edit Ideas
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I agree! While I’m okay with the general story beats and I’m still enjoying the experience, I do agree that it feels rushed. Unfortunately all fan editors can do is cut/rearrange content rather than adding more. So I think we have to figure out how we can make what is already there work better.

I personally don’t want to do TV-to-Movie edits like Andreas is doing. What I would like to do or see would just be edits of individual episodes, so if one were to do a rewatch of the series, they could just watch the handful of fan edited episodes in place of the original ones. The idea being that the purpose is to address various controversies or weaker points throughout the show, rather than fundamentally changing the viewing experience. I would like to make a list of possible changes throughout the series so if anyone has any ideas just shout them out.

I kind of want to brainstorm ideas regarding Season 8.

SPOILERS AHEAD.

I think there could be a lot of things done to these episodes, but here are some thoughts I’ve currently been having.

I would like to have Bran do more greenseer things during the Battle of Winterfell. All he does is warg into some crows. I’m not exactly sure what he could do, but having him go into the past or have visions might be feasible ideas from an editing perspective. Maybe we could have him warg into Rhaegal when Jon and the Night King fight on their dragons.

Maybe we could just brighten up the entire episode just a little.

Just cut all the scenes with Bronn so far.

Another small change would be to have Rheagal’s death make more sense. I guy on reddit actually has already made a version of this. https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bnq8to/rhaegal_dies_but_it_makes_slightly_more_sense/

Speaking of Euron, I think you could cut Euron and Jaime’s fight scene in 805, and everything still make sense. Just make it look like Euron died in dragonfire, have Jaime walk up the beach and into the cave, then cut out Cersei mention that he’s bleeding.

I’m also trying to think of ways we could help Dany’s decision to burn the citizens of King’s Landing not feel so sudden. It seems a lot of people feel like it was a total character change, where others feel it was hinted at a lot. I think there a lot of ways you approach this issue.

  1. You could never have the Bells ring, which makes Dany feel like they did not surrender, so she keeps destroying the city.

  2. Cut certain shots to downplay Dany’s actions, or make it seem like she is just burning the Red Keep and the general destruction in the city is from spreading fire and the wildfire throughout the city exploding.

While I think these top options would be easier, I kind of think that Dany needs to go off the deep end, because Dany ignoring the Bells will forever be an infamous moment. Regardless, these are possible options.

  1. Give Dany more reasons to want to punish the citizens of King’s Landing. What if was possible to use some VFX and clever editing to have the citizens of King’s Landing standing along the walls, like Cersei brought them up there as another layer of protection against Dany (like she did by inviting them into the Red Keep) it would also explain why Cersei doesn’t just kill Dany with the ballistae at that moment, since all of King’s Landing was watching and that could be seen as dishonorable maybe. But you could add sound effects of the crowd jeering at Dany, and then cheering when Missandei was executed. It might make it feel like the citizens themselves took part in Missandei’s death, so it would make Dany feel like they need to be taught a lesson.

There are other ideas too, like have Dany hear voices at different times in the last few seasons to imply she really is going Mad (although I think the actual version, if it had more set up, would have more nuance than her just being “crazy”). Then she could hear voices during the Bells moment. Maybe one could cut some of her dialogue from the last two or so seasons to make Dany seem more “bad queen” and less “good queen”, if that makes sense. Personally my favorite idea so far is having the citizens cheer during Missandei’s execution, but obviously that would be one of the hardest ones to actually do.

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#1282037
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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NeverarGreat said:

It still feels incomplete though. Maybe parallel editing wouldn’t be so bad if it was applied near the end of the two scenes. I’m imagining Rey meeting Luke, then cutting to R2 waking up and in place of the Leia scene having the final bit with Rey offering the lightsaber, then the map reveal.

Try that! I think that would work well.

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#1281966
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Seems like it’d be a lot of work to cut Rey out of the map reveal scene. I do like the new sequence of events though (and the blue and rgb split!).

Also, why didn’t you keep the flickering light on R2? I think having him plugged up to the computer plus having the flickering light would help imply that something is in progress, if that makes sense.

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#1281963
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Star Wars Episode I: Cloak Of Deception (Finished!)
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Yeah Hal, it sounds 100% fine to me. This was a good idea to naturally establish that Anakin did not build 3PO from scratch!

I thought I had heard that the Clone Wars movie had the dialogue all on one track, but I guess that doesn’t apply to the TV show itself. Maybe that first fact isn’t even true though.

EDIT: Also, I was going to point out the same thing about the wrench in the Jar Jar clip. I think if you were to mask it falling in and then have it just hit the pod and then fall out of view somewhere else, it would work better. I like how you’re bringing a little Jar Jar humor back in. I think it works because the jokes aren’t being dragged out, you know? You still have funny moments, but they don’t overstay their welcome.

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#1281756
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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Question: How was Obi-Wan able to see a hologram of Anakin bowing to Sidious in the Jedi Temple? Did Sidious go to the Jedi temple after all the Jedi were killed? Surely Obi-Wan can’t access security holograms fro Palpatine’s office from the Temple? I don’t think Palpatine would’ve been able to keep his identity secret for very long if that was possible.

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#1281744
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Lucasfilm's movie plans post Ep. IX
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I’m not really pissed about this past season like a lot of people are, but I think a lot of people feel that David Benioff & D.B. Weiss (D&D) rushed the ending. HBO were going to give them 10 seasons of 10 episodes, but D&D just wanted to do 8 Seasons, and the last two seasons were 7 and 6 episodes respectively.

To a lot of people, it seems they just were ready to be done, and the quality of writing reflects that. Certain plot devices seem to contradict the “rules” established in earlier seasons. Characters jump around the world quickly, characters don’t really suffer consequences for their decisions (i.e. plot armor), and a lot of characters feel, well, out of character based off their portrayals in earlier seasons, and it doesn’t feel like they naturally progresssed to that point within the story.

It also feels like they made some story decisions based off shock factor or wanting to surprise the audience rather than what was set up in the story. Yes, there were shocking moments in earlier seasons, but usually those moments were set up by character’s actions that, in retrospect, led to those consequences. With the past two or so seasons, it seems they’ve defended their writing decisions by citing earlier moments they claimed to be foreshadowing, but many of those moments were often brief and at best are recontextualized as foreshadowing, if that makes sense.

To be fair, D&D have added a lot of good things to the story as well, especially in earlier seasons when working more off of G.R.R. Martin’s books (the show grew to be so popular for a reason and D&D definitely deserve credit for that too), but the seasonal transition from direct adaption to original work feels apparent in retrospect. I think fans feel like D&D sort of gave up towards the end because they were ready to move on, and some fans feel disappointed because they’ve invested so much time into this story. So I think people feel like they can’t trust them to tell a story and commit to it, from beginning to end. To be fair, I think D&D signed up thinking Martin would have completed series before they caught up with him, so they weren’t expecting to have less content to adapt by the end of it.

I do think, at the very least, since D&D are doing a trilogy, you’re talking about 6-8 hours of content rather than 8 Seasons and 75~ episodes of content like GOT. D&D could map out the trilogy before the first one even starts shooting if they wanted to. The first episode of the trilogy could start out well, but maybe some fans are worried that they’ll get them invested and then sort of drop the ball before it’s over.

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#1281740
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I think I get what you’re describing. Honestly I think this is one of those things where you have to test it out, because it is hard to say what works better on description alone, at least in this case since it is a very different idea.

I am still trying to think of ways you might help make it very clear that this is a dream or vision of some kind. What about some kind of edge blur and a slight RGB split?

Also, if you end the film with Rey leaving to go find Luke, do you think you might include a “Rey’s Journey” sequence in a potential TLJ edit where we see them jumping from planet to planet before she reaches Ach-To? I always loved that test you made for that idea, and I also like the added meaning of the various points on the map being another level of “Jedi steps”.

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#1281446
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Star Wars: Remastered - A New Special Edition
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Well I think Petro’s point of how the ship appears when the music changes tone, but the camera stops tilting on the BAM!

Personally, after rewatching it a few times it works for me. I do think it is bothering people because it feels uncanny based off what we’re used to. You could make an argument that the planet coming into view at the same time as the ship divides our focus, whereas in the original our focus goes from moon 1, to moon 2, to Tatooine, then to Tantive IV. In Petro’s version, ship and planet enter frame simultaneously.

Haha I laughed out loud the first time when “star destroyer” popped into view. I know it is placeholder but it was funny when I wasn’t expecting it!

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#1281334
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Lucasfilm's movie plans post Ep. IX
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Some predictions:

We will be seeing tons of articles/YouTube videos talking about how much Rian, Benioff & Weiss’ trilogies will be cinematic failures before they even come out (I personally am a bit skeptical of D&D myself).

Most fans on both sides of the spectrum are going to LOVE The Mandalorian. I think it’ll be so successful Fanvreau and Filoni will be given more future projects. Fans will love these two.

Sorta unrelated, but the new Avatar movies (at the very least Avatar 2) are going to perform exceptionally well at the box office despite some skepticism. General audiences will fall in love with Pandora again like they did in 2009.

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#1281152
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Isn’t Rey’s foolish hope just the lie she tells herself? Like people can be logical but also be illogical when it comes to family or daddy/mommy issues.

It’s possible that the hope of her parents returning was what allowed her to survive for so long. It was her willpower to preservere because of that hope. So she she stayed on Jakku because she thought it was only a matter of time for her parents to come back for her. It could be any day now, so she was waiting for them, because that was what she wanted more than leaving Jakku or being a hero, she wanted to be with her family again.

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#1280905
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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SilverWook said:

Sounds good to me. I presume the Jedi archives never had all the information, or were badly damaged during Order 66.

Yeah, it is possible that some Jedi before the Empire were trying to find the origins of the Jedi. Presumably the origins of the Jedi were lost to time. I believe in the recent audio drama, Dooku: Jedi Lost, a character refers to the temple on Ossus as the first Jedi Temple, so it does seem the origins of the religion became lost even to the Jedi over the 25,000~ years of their history.

So maybe the Jedi had started the anthropological research for one purpose, the Empire continued it for another, and then Luke and Lor San followed their footsteps.

Obviously this is more of a head-canon than theory I guess, but you could say it is a head-canon that attempts to be grounded in what we know. And it is kind of cool because it has its own story behind it, like it could be covered in a novel or comic.

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#1280893
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The Original Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Man, it’s interesting how much of a difference little details like those make! I really feel like this method could do wonders to just add another layer of detail to the OT, especially for ROTJ I think.

EDIT: To add on to that thought, I think changes like these, and what Ady, Petro, and others are doing, help bring the OT visually more in like with the rest of the Saga. To me, having an edition of these films that brings the OT more visually in-line with the PT & ST, but also making changes that make the PT & ST more in line with the OT as well. Basically, the end goal being that the whole Saga will visually/aesthetically be more in-sync. I think that would be great!

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#1280892
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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So this has been rattling in my brain for awhile, but I’ve been trying to figure out where the map to the first Jedi Temple actually came from. I feel like we all just assume we know, but if I were to ask you all you probably would give me a variety of answers.

I just wanted to throw out my own, I don’t know, head-canon(?), and see what you guys think.

So, let’s start with what we know.
The Map itself appears to be a map of the entire galaxy, with a golden trail of points that stretches across it (presumably each point is a planet/moon). The Map is separated into two pieces, the greater Map that originates, as far as we know, from the archives of the Empire. Since it was also in R2’s back-up data, and R2 apparently downloaded that information from the First Death Star, we can assume the greater Map at least dates back to the Battle of Yavin.

The lesser Map existed on a data rod, found by Lor San Tekka around 34 years after the Battle of Yavin, and it also contained a golden path of points (stops/planets) that connected to the greater Map and ended at Ach-To, the location of the first Jedi Temple. It seems these two pieces do come from the same data set, since they fit together perfectly like puzzle pieces and the trails also connect.

The lesser Map mostly, if not completely, consists of uncharted systems, so it is basically impossible to interpret without the context of any known systems. So, the greater map is necessary because it provides that context with rest of the known galaxy and as well as the orientation the golden path provides.

Many of us assumed before TLJ that Luke may have left clues to his whereabouts, and that the map was a clue, and the golden path was the route of stops he made along the way, but this can’t work for two reasons: One, Luke did not want to be found, he went there to die, so he would have not left any clues to his location. And two, the greater Map existed before Luke was ever a Jedi, meaning the golden path predates Jedi Master Luke Skywalker.

So this leaves a few questions: Who created the golden path? What do the points on the path represent? Why did the map have a missing piece? There are others but I’ll start with those.

This is my theory.

The Map as we know it dates at least to the Empire’s reign, and it was made by an Imperial archaeologist who was tasked with finding the first Jedi temple.

Each point on the map is some kind of Jedi archaeological site, and the Archaelogist was retracing the “Jedi steps” to determine their point of origin. Basically, the Archaelogist could use clues from each site, in combination with something like radiocarbon dating, to determine the age of each site. If the Archaelogist were to travel from younger sites to older sites, he could determine the direction the Jedi migrated across the galaxy over generations. So, in theory, among all the data points on the map, Ach-To, the last point on the map, would be the oldest location, while the first point on the map would be the latest location. And, like I said, different sites could have different clues, like ancient star charts, items that could only be found on the next planet-point on the map, etc.

The Archaelogist eventually managed to find the first Jedi Temple, but something happened before he could turn in that information. Either he died and his body was never found before he could turn in that final data set, or, he discovered that the Emperor’s intention was to destroy all of these sites, including the first Jedi temple, to erase the Jedi from the galaxy’s history (maybe he knew that from the get-go, but had a change of heart). So, instead of turning the rest of the map in, he hid it. Then the Archeaologist went into hiding, or died, or was killed, basically the Empire never had a chance to extract that information from him.

All of this would have predated the Battle of Yavin.

So, years later Luke and Lor San Tekka discover the greater Map, and go on a journey to find the last Jedi temple themselves, or find the missing piece that could lead them there. However, before this quest is ever complete, Ben destroys Luke’s Jedi Temple. Luke goes into exile and the people who knew him are only left with the knowledge that he was going to search for the First Jedi Temple.

It is possible Luke found the missing piece of the map, but since Luke presumably traveled to Ach-To without an astromech droid, I think Luke used a combination of his existing knowledge, plus allowing the Force to guide him, to be able to reach Ach-To.

Lor San Tekka, on the other hand, continued looking for the missing piece of the Archeaologist’s map and eventually found it, which is where The Force Awakens starts.

Is there anything that would contradict this? Is there a better idea you’ve heard?