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#1318473
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Honestly all three titles of the Thrawn trilogy would totally work for the Sequel Trilogy. Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command.

I really like Balance of the Force as an alternate title. Legacy of the Force works too.

I see what you mean how if you remove her name change, it might warrant a title change. I think if you emphasized the “rise” of the Skywalker legend throughout the galaxy. Or if Ben Solo lived, though I guess his redemption counts as a “rise” as well maybe.

I think an opening phrase like, “Hope is alive!” would be a nice way to keep the vibe of “The dead speak!” but focus more on the ripple effect of Luke’s actions in the last film rather than revealing the Emperor has survived in the opening crawl.

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#1318467
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

With the Sith Wayfinder in TROS it would be really cool to see an illustration of it in the Jedi Texts in TLJ. It wouldn’t be too terribly convenient either since Luke was supposedly looking for Exegol before going after the First Jedi Temple, so he would have reason to turn to that page.

I think the only time we see one of the texts open is when Luke runs his hand across a page, so you either have to alter that shot or create a new one maybe?

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#1318039
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Another random idea!

While the movie in general felt rather rushed, I feel like the opening scene was even more rushed than the rest of the film. We got one planet shot, then it jumps IMMEDIATELY to the ground, which has never happened in a saga film, since a ship usually transitions the audience naturally from space to land. We get a few shots of Kylo Ren fighting random people, then he opens the chest and immediately transitions to him flying to Exogol. Before we even have time to know where we’re at we’re already gone. I didn’t even know that planet was Mustafar until I read about it later. I originally wanted to cut this opening and start straight with him flying to Exogol, but I had another idea.

What if we created an opening scene that mirrors the opening of The Phantom Menace? Instead of the Trade Federation invading Naboo, the First Order invades Mustafar.

No new footage would have to be shot, but some visual effects could be used to create some new shots.

Opening crawl, tilt down to Kylo Ren’s TIE Fighter flying toward camera, then pan left following as it passes camera (like Republic ship in TPM). Mustafar enters frame, where a dozen Star Destroyers orbit the planet. TIE fighters and troop transports invade planet surface. Montage of Kylo killing Vader cultists. Kylo then arrives at Vader’s castle. Paralleling Queen Amidala watching the invasion of Naboo from the palace window, Kylo stares out the castle window as TIE Fighters fly by and Star Destroyers float above. He then enters another room and finds a stone chest, pushing the lid off to reveal Vader’s Sith Wayfinder.

Reusing some footage from Rogue One (and hopefully some deleted scenes and additional visual effects), you probably could make something like this work and allow the opening of the film to have time to breathe.

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#1317791
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Two quick ideas. I’ve thought a lot about ways to alter Finn’s character arc, and while I do have some more ambitious ideas, I may have thought of two ways to change his arc with only some additional dialogue, at the least.

For Rise of Skywalker, what if we could create the implication that Jannah and the other rogue Stormtroopers were inspired by the story of FN-2187 to defect? In retrospect it feels like a missed opportunity for them not to do this. Maybe we could redub Jannah’s character, or find a voice actor that sounds similar to her, to say even one extra line of dialogue that goes along with this idea.

An additional idea for TLJ, what if we took the deleted scene of the Stormtroopers on the elevator, and redub the one that recognizes Finn to create an entirely new context. What if the stormtrooper(s) recognized Finn, but they let him go?

So in the second film you would have troopers who have heard of Finn’s defiance (maybe they especially like the fact he left Phasma in a trash compactor), and they defy the First Order indirectly.

And then in the third film, we actually see that Finn’s story inspired other stormtroopers to actually defect.

So although we don’t get to see Finn incite a Stormtrooper rebellion like we might’ve been hoping, we see how Finn’s actions have inspired others to defy authoritarianism. Which already plays well with Rose hearing his story in TLJ, and it parallels the themes with Luke and how his status as a legend inspires hope in others.

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#1317515
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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stevepaynter said:

All good points, but the fact Kylo and Rey is showing a force connection after Snoke is dead (as we are lead to believe Snoke was manipulating this bond) is important to the audience going into TROS. The force connection between Kylo and Rey is still occurring in TROS and really the only major thing JJ did not retcon from TLJ in TROS.

I just think it could be confusing in TROS as to why they still have this Force connection if the scene of Kylo and Rey still showing they have force connection at the end of TLJ is removed.

Fair point. Well, if a briefer Palpatine tease was made, then maybe you could keep the Rey/Kylo moment and have that tease without reusing little to no footage. Hmm.

EDIT: Palpatease?

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#1317508
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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That was sort of my train of thought as well.

Maybe instead of using any radio shots, you could just have Kylo looking up, the eye close up, etc., and a shorter line from Palpatine. Just a brief, “Find me…” that could sounds like a whisper in the wind.

Again, this isn’t against the work you’ve already done. I think it looks great. This is just constructive criticism on the idea in general!

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#1317497
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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Honestly I think it would make more sense to introduce her as a new side/main character in the Rebels sequel. If it is a direct sequel to Rebels, following Sabine and Ahsoka’s quest to find Ezra, maybe she could come along on the journey.

Personally I would love a more general post-ROTJ series that brings in vibes of the popular post-Endor EU stories. It could be a perfect way to show the further adventures of Luke, Han and Leia, and their story could converge with that of Ezra, Sabine, Ahsoka and Thrawn.

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#1317485
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I wasn’t super crazy about them bringing back Kylo Ren’s helmet in this film (although I really dig the cracked look), it actually might end up being a godsend for us to play with Kylo’s dialogue and chracter motivation for the first two acts of the film.

I still am not 100% sure what will be doable until the home release, but I am curious about how far we can change Kylo Ren’s motivations in TROS. Kylo’s whole, “We both have darkness, join me on the dark side” is arguably pretty basic and not really a fresh idea, and I wonder if we can make it more interesting.

What if, instead of just wanting Rey to join him on the dark side of the Force, he wants to prevent Rey from finding Exogol and trying to kill Palpatine? After realizing how Palpatine has been manipulating him all these years, he wants to prevent Rey from having the same fate. Kylo may have also seen this vision of Dark Rey, but instead of it appealing to him like he thought, he realizes he doesn’t want Rey to share his fate.

For example, maybe we can change the line, “You can’t go back to her [Leia], just like I can’t” to, “You can go back to her, but I can’t” (This is an unmasked line but maybe it could still be altered naturally)

So the dilemma for Rey is that she feels that her role as the last Jedi means she has to face Palpatine, the last Sith, and kill him. But Kylo Ren is preventing that, so he is another obstacle that she must face to fulfill her destiny. Maybe Palpatine’s motivation could be changed to, “Bring me the last Jedi, and I will give you the fleet.” Maybe Palpatine’s plan from the beginning is to get them both in front of them to drain their life force. But instead of bringing Rey to him, Kylo tries to prevent her from finding a way there.

I think this might also help make Kylo seem a little more intelligent than he is in the theatrical. Even though Kylo doesn’t want to kill Rey, like Palpatine told him, it appears like he is still doing what Palpatine wants. In this version, it might seem like Kylo Ren is already suspicious of the extent of Palpatine’s power and him potentially being able to possess others, which is why he doesn’t immediately kill him when they meet. He wants to figure out how he can outsmart Palpatine, but if Rey finds the other Wayfinder she would be falling into his trap. So instead of saying, “The only way you’ll reach Palpatine is through me”, he just destroys the Wayfinder.

I guess part of my motivation to pursue this idea is that some people felt Kylo’s turn to the light felt rather sudden. Even ROTJ makes Vader appear rather sad and regretful when speaking to Luke, “It is too late for me, son”, which sets up his turn later in the film. Having Kylo not wanting Rey to follow the same fate as he did might help make his character more sympathetic and three-dimensional, as well as make their final kiss more natural, since Kylo/Ben was trying to protect her the whole film.

Bonus thought: I found an Adam Driver line from This is Where I Leave You where he says to Tina Fey’s character, “You’re the voice in my head.” I feel like this would be an interesting thing for him to say to Rey, since it would play well against Palpatine telling him he has been every voice he’s ever heard inside his head. Him saying something like this would be like him rejecting the destiny the Emperor’s has tried make him for one that involves Rey, which would parallel Rey’s own journey to forge her own destiny. I guess what I’m trying to say is that all this would help make Kylo/Ben more actively pursuing his own motivations instead of anyone else’s.

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#1317458
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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Regarding what idir was saying about Snoke, I could picture something added in the shot where the saber flies toward Rey and she grabs it, and Snoke’s torso falling over. Maybe when his upper body tumbles over, a whiff of that blue smoke/flame could waft up and then disappear. I think the throne is out of focus during that moment, so it would still be subtle. I guess the idea is that a part of Palpatine’s essence was inside Snoke, controlling him.

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#1317455
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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poppasketti said:

I LOVE this idea! A simple “Finn” whisper by Rey is so simple and elegant. The only thing I wonder is does this set up the expectations for better payoff than we got in TROS? Hopefully the deleted scenes will help!

I already have some ideas on how we could provide some payoff to that subplot if we need to do it ourselves, but hopefully we get another deleted scene related to that. Dom mentioned awhile back that he imagined there being a cut scene where Poe is like, “You love Rey, don’t you?” and Finn responding, “No, I have the Force.” and then Poe looking a little relieve, paralleling the jealous Han ROTJ subplot. It probably doesn’t exist but that would’ve been a great little scene.

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#1317450
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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Cool find, I love the Sith whispers!

Well I think you’ve done a solid job so far making it feel like it could’ve been a part of the movie. I agree a lot with jarbear’s last post regarding it. In order to not reuse those shots of Ben looking up, just cut his and Rey’s last interaction, that way you can just use it for his reaction to the radio. I also think making it briefer, and just having it say, “Find me…”, or perhaps, “The time has come… find me…” might have a more subtle touch. And like jarbear said, having the dialogue somewhat distorted could lend to some mystery regarding who exactly is sending the mystery. Your hypothetical first time viewer might be pretty sure it is Palpatine, but still enough room is open for speculation.

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#1317269
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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Really his motivations change once.

He is manipulating both Rey and Ben to see who will come out on top. I don’t think he cares if Rey is his biological grandchild. Whoever kills who, whether it be Ben or Rey, will make for a stronger vessel. Once Ben turns to the light, he focuses on Rey and tells her what she wants to hear, “I never wanted you dead.” That’s what he’s always done, lie and manipulate.

But once Ben and Rey are together, he realizes how strong they are together and decides to revitalize himself. I think he would have preferred a newer, healthier body, but healing his own body will suffice.

But that’s just my take.