RogueLeader

DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

I have a very clear idea for how to handle a Ben Lives alternate ending, which will be the first thing I work on once the film comes out on Blu-ray, but I kind of want to wait and see how much I can do on my own before I share it.

But speaking of Ben Lives, I’m still kind of debating on how to handle Ben bringing Rey back to life. It makes sense that if Ben resurrects Rey, that he will die since he gave her his life Force. So just cutting him dying might feel like it goes against what the movie established about the power.

So should we just have Ben save Rey and not die, regardless of the questions it might raise, or introduce some “divine intervention”?

Yeah, you could probably have some more Jedi voices if you wanted to suggest they were helping. Maybe something as simple as Luke’s “A thousand generations live in you now.”

I’m still not sure exactly how to go about portraying it, but whether Rey or Ben dies, I think it would be interesting if Anakin were to be the one to bring them back to life. So let’s say it is Rey… As Ben is hugging Rey’s body, maybe he could hear Anakin say something to him (or maybe not so Ben does it thinking he will die and not contradict his act of selflessness), then Ben places his hand on Rey and closes his eyes. Then maybe these “healing” shots could be altered to show someone appear kneeling across from Ben, and placing their hand on top of his. We could get a brief glimpse of Anakin’s face, either by taking a shot or two of him from ROTS, or deepfake a shot or two of a stand-in. At the very least you could just film an insert of a hand being placed onto Ben’s, something you could shoot with a robe and a green screen.

Before the film came out I remember so many people wanting Anakin to make some kind of appearance in the movie, and although we heard his voice, I think people were hoping for more. This could be a nice way to achieve that, as well as have Anakin have one final act in the last film of the Skywalker Saga. I like the idea that the dyad could be a literal representation of “balance”, and if Anakin were to bring one half of the dyad back to life, then he would be restoring balance through the power he was desperate to discover during his life. It also makes the power of resurrection more special, since that is something only the Chosen One can do. And you could further explore the implications of Anakin doing this for Rey, the last Jedi, and Ben, his grandson, and granting this gift to them so they can experience a future that he and Padme never could. (I also like the idea that Anakin’s very first line in the first film being “Are you an angel?” and then appearing like an angel at the end of the last film.)

Anyway, a lot to chew on, but I think this would really surprise people if we could get it to work.

I have a very clear idea for how to handle a Ben Lives alternate ending, which will be the first thing I work on once the film comes out on Blu-ray, but I kind of want to wait and see how much I can do on my own before I share it.

But speaking of Ben Lives, I’m still kind of debating on how to handle Ben bringing Rey back to life. It makes sense that if Ben resurrects Rey, that he will die since he gave her his life Force. So just cutting him dying might feel like it goes against what the movie established about the power.

So should we just have Ben save Rey and not die, regardless of the questions it might raise, or introduce some “divine intervention”?

I hope it is too. I think you can see Vader’s castle in the distance in that shot from the Art book, actually.

Agreed. I think Rey and Kylo’s feelings for each other should have been built up more blatantly throughout the film. Not doing that left some people feeling unsure of what to think about this kiss. I felt like Abrams turned them into surprises, when really it was a matter of set ups and pay offs.

Just watched Bong Joon Ho’s Parasite. HO. LY. SHIT. Great performances, and you can feel how meticulously crafted this film was, from the broadest strokes to the smallest detail. I feel like this is the kind of movie that will only get better with each time you watch it, as you pick up on all of those purposeful touches. The movie has a strong relationship between character and camera direction, visual storytelling and clear dialogue that emphasizes its themes of wealth and class, and wonderful pacing. For the story this film is trying to tell, I think it is damn near perfect. My favorite film of 2019.

I know, but I bet a very small percent of the general audience has even played the VR series, you know? Most people will not know that is even Mustafar unless they go to an outside source.

Oh yeah you might be right. At first I thought it was just realistic art but it does in fact look like a screen shot.

The style of Mustafar is just so strange. It looks nothing like Mustafar as we knew it, and I’m assuming there was no explanation in the film regarding it. Because it is never explained I wonder if it would be better to make the Oracle planet and Mustafar two separate planets. Maybe the Oracle mentions something about them being on Mustafar, who knows.

God, the Oracle looks so cool and creepy.

I REALLY hope we could at least get that deleted scene. A bonus is that we could also replace the Oracle’s lines if we wanted to get some type of exposition or motivation across in a fan edit.

It also explains why Leia didn’t complete her training I guess.

I would like to make this change too, though. One of the more difficult solutions would be to use vfx to make her bed empty.

I wonder if the Poe/Lando scene could be altered to make it where Poe is just grappling with his newfound leadership rather than the news about the new planetkilling Star Destroyers. So you could put that scene before the Kylo and Han scene.

They sound about the same to me. As far as shots, what if you put the shot of Hux over “-will rise” instead of during the gap inbetween his two sentences? That may not work because you may need a natural break between the sentences, but Snoke’s face coming out from the darkness feels odd, considering it no longer works as a face reveal in this version of the scene.

Or swap the reactions. Have Hux flinch at “the new Jedi will rise”, then use his stoic expression for, “So…” Hux flinching at the idea of the Jedi returning rather than Hux flinching at “So…” It made sense when Snoke stood and shouted “GENERAL!”, but his reaction doesn’t go with anything in this version, besides Snoke just standing up.

EDIT: OR… just cut the stoic Hux shot. Have it go like this: 1. Snoke CU - “Jedi will rise” 2. Hux flinches. 3. Snoke stands, “So…”. 4. Snoke CU “Our strategy must now change.”

It might make more sense to go from a wide to a CU without cutting to a reaction shot in the sequence of shots. Might be worth trying.

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Collider is backing it up now too.

I pretty much agree with you, Dom. There are obviously some pretty cool things in both Trevorrow’s script, but some pretty bad stuff too. Same for TROS. Something inbetween the two may have been nice.

Apparently AV Club is corroborating it as well.

I like the idea of Hux delving into the occult, maybe as a way to compete with Kylo, but yeah his lightsaber seppuku is pretty dark. Though honestly it is a cooler death than what he got!

The First Order/Resistance stuff seems really fun and interesting, but this movie seems to ignore any connection Rey and Ben had in TLJ whatsoever. I would’ve preferred more redeemed Ben Solo rather than super evil Kylo Ren.

jarbear said:

Of course you can keep working on it, but I think I am leaning towards keep the smoke but not the eyes. Maybe. I’ll keep watching it and pondering about it more and more.

This was my initial thought as well, but it might be worth getting for thoughts on.

EDIT: Tbf, it might seem obvious in retrospect, but maybe that is good. If the Sith eyes would’ve been in the theatrical film, people would’ve still speculated for two years about what it meant. Then when the Palpatine reveal happens people would feel like it was obvious in retrospect, which I think is the goal, isn’t it?

I actually overlooked the first version but I will check it out when I have a chance!

I mean, does it have to be exactly like his eyes? I think having any color change at all is enough of a hint.

Poppa! I love it! That blue smoke is- chef’s kiss.

Providing feedback for the hell of it. I would like to actually see Snoke’s normal eyes transition into the Sith eyes more. Right now it feels too quick to notice, so maybe that whole transition could play out just a tad longer?

I think the blue smoke is already great as-is, but I agree with idir that it might be cool to see it float all the way up out of frame. Right now it just dissipates, which I also like, but seeing it float away might be interesting just to compare it to.

Noice. It feel like the volume on “So…” is a bit louder than the following line, but that was the only thing I noticed. Maybe I’m wrong though.

Agreed. Improving the effects on the Obi/Mace scene would be miraculous. I feel like Padme’s deleted Senate scene could be improved a lot just by replacing the est. shot and various senate shots with finished shots that were in the final movie.

That’s an interesting thought! Not to take away from Rey, but if people thought “Red Five” was Luke, it would give people even more reason to follow the signal. People believe in Luke, and if people don’t know if he is dead or not they might see it as a sign to finally join the fight.

Really liked all of your last “Find me” passes, especially 4E!

Dude, that new hood in the vision is great. Feels professionally done, good job.

Pretty good list, Snooker! What would the opening shot be if you started the movie with Finn and Poe’s mission?

A random thought, instead of Rey being the one to transmit the path through the Unknown Regions to the Resistance, what if it was Ben Solo? Rey originally wanted to go on that mission on her own, so I could see her wanting to take on Palpatine alone to try and protect her friends. But having 3PO say it is coming from “Kylo Ren”, or even better “Ben Solo”, could help add to Ben’s redemption, and lead to the idea that the Resistance knows that Ben may have switched sides.

I’ve heard some alternate interpretations of that scene.
The whole film she is doubting herself and trying to place the responsibility of saving the galaxy on Luke and then Ben. She’s desperate to find out where her parents are and why her parents left her, only to discover her parents sold her for drinking money. She was a nobody, and she meant nothing to them.

So in the end, when she says she’s Rey and someone says, “I know”. It validates her identity in a way that says she is important. She has already begun to forge her new identity, and Poe has acknowledged that.

I don’t really care about how TROS retcons that or how it contradicts the TFA novelization. I don’t see it as romantic. It is just Rey, who sees herself as no one, realizing that someone actually does know her, and that’s a big deal to her.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Here’s an idea: Pasaana is Geonosis. It would tie the saga together more.

I feel like if you wanted to make Pasaana a familiar planet, it would be easiest to match it with Jedha.

“Whip, stir! Whip, stir!”