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#1272113
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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ZkinandBonez said:

DominicCobb said:

Well I’m fairness I don’t believe The Mandolorian would qualify as ST era.

True, but I feel like it’s going to “set-up” the First Order and other ST-lore at least in some ways.

This is a cool thing about the Mandalorian. I’ve heard a lot of people say it would’ve been cool if the First Order had been like anti-rebels, with limited equipment and resources. That would be cool to see. Something like a scrappy Imperial Remnant, and I think we could still get that in the Mandalorian, and stories like it that are set in this time period.

While the official Galactic Empire surrendered and the war is technically over, there could be a few straggling warlords holding onto control of a handful of far flung star systems. It seems the titular character in the Mandalorian will run into some kind of Imperial faction. Their exact identity is still a bit of a mystery, but this is what I’m hoping for. According the new canon the Empire was officially defeated one year after the Battle of Endor, but according to Jon Favreau this is a few years after that (like 2-3?), so that means the Empire still exists in some form (possibly as the proto-First Order or some other remnant faction like I mentioned earlier).

It could be reminiscent to the old EU, but these Imperial Remnants are more concerned with maintaining control over what little power they have left, rather than trying to take on the New Republic constantly. You could even have a new series like the Rogue Squadron novels that are about small New Republic units trying to liberate handfuls of systems from Imperial control.

I think it would be a nice middle ground between the old EU and the new canon. And if most of the Remnants they have dealt with over the years had been very minor threats on the galactic scale, it would help explain why they didn’t immediately perceive the First Order as a threat, thinking it was just another warlord faction barely surviving on the edge of known space.

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#1272105
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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I think on the surface the OT and ST are similar, but given time for the canon to explore that time period (which they have been avoiding as to give as much creative freedom to the filmmakers as possible), these the two era can potentially feel quite distinct.

I think the political situation in the buildup to the war can be grounds for a very compelling story about politics and espionage. The show Resistance does get into that a bit. Spies within the Senate, and unknown threat in uncharted space.

I think this new war has a lot of potential to set itself apart from the Galactic Civil War as well. The Resistance can literally fit on the Falcon, even the Rebellion was better off in its worst condition. How will they recruit help? How will they actually fight the First Order? Will they use even more dirty, guerrilla tactics rather than open battles like the Rebellion did?

The First Order are invaders rather than the de facto government, how will they treat their citizens and the Resistance compared to the Old Empire? Will they be more radical? More aggressive? You also have the dynamic between the old guard and the new, the Imperials vets vs the First Order generation and how they perceive each other.

And for me, one of the most interesting things is the fact that the leaders on both sides are in fact mother and son. The family drama has manifested into a galactic-scale war, even more so than the Galactic Civil War if you think about it. I definitely think it is possible for this conflict to stand out from the OT, but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how they handle it in IX and further media.

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#1272020
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

When Ben destroyed his mask, that was a symbolism of him ditching his ways as being a Darth Vader impersonator. He was berated by Snoke, and while I still believe he looks up to Anakin as Vader, he isn’t going to go around wearing a mask anymore, as he has become his own self, yet still conflicted inside. I really hope Ben doesn’t start wearing the Kylo Ren mask in Episode IX, as its backtracking on himself as a character, like nothing has happened to make him decide to stop acting like Vader.

Or, Ben has regressed to needing to hide behind a mask after Rey’s rejection. I don’t think Kylo will be in a good place emotionally when we see him in IX, so he could be using the mask as a reforged identity.

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#1272019
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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This also brings up the question of who can even see Force ghosts?

Leia apparently couldn’t see them at the end of ROTJ, so is it a matter of one’s own ability with the Force? Maybe Force ghosts can choose who they appear to? Maybe it is a bit of both, since Yoda couldn’t appear to Luke until he reconnected with the Force.

To build onto that, I personally like the idea that Force ghosts can only appear to people they knew while they were alive. This might seem limiting, but I think there needs to be some kind of limit, because without one it kind of lowers the stakes of Luke’s importance. For example, even if Luke didn’t pass on what he learned, Yoda or Obi-Wan could just appear to anyone who was strong enough with the Force and teach them how to be a Jedi even after Luke was dead and gone. But, if Luke dies without teaching anyone, then that knowledge will be lost forever.

But now that Rey has met Luke, Luke will be able to come to her as a Force ghost and continue her training in IX, presumably.

This idea would also explain why Luke didn’t see Qui-Gon at the end of ROTJ. A Certain Point of View showed us that Qui-Gon had learned to manifest himself by the time of ANH, but despite that we don’t see him at the end of ROTJ.

To continue, if you carried this idea forward, that would also mean that Kylo Ren/Ben Solo couldn’t see Anakin since he never met him. But, it would kind of answer why Anakin never appeared to him before to stop him from going down that path in the first place. And maybe someone’s depth within the dark side almost makes contact difficult or impossible. This would explain why Obi-Wan or Yoda couldn’t help Luke fight Vader and Palpatine. Obi says in ESB that if Luke faces Vader that he can’t interfere. Yes, you could argue that there are “certain rules” he can’t break, but I just personally like the idea that dark siders can create “interference” that make it difficult for Force ghosts to manifest near them. This would help explain why Force ghosts can really appear to give advice and not really help in a battle with dark siders.

Also, maybe Force ghosts are both an independent manifestation of the Force, but they also can only manifest physically by using a living Force-sensitive individual as a conduit. Yoda not being able to appear to Luke until he reconnected would explain that. If Yoda was solely an independent manifestation, Luke’s own connection to the Force wouldn’t have mattered. And clearly it comes down to the individual, because Rey, another strong Force-user, her presence didn’t allow Yoda to manifest in front of Luke, either. And Yoda never appeared for Rey to give her advice on how to get through to Luke. Sure, you can say that Yoda wanted her to figure it out on her own, but I think physical limits to her abilities would allow you not have to to resort to handwavey explanations.

Maybe in extreme situations the rules can be bent, like in visions or dreams. Sort of like how Rey hears whispers of Obi-Wan during the Force vision. So maybe Kylo could still see Anakin/Vader in a dream or vision, but not in a regular old conversation.

A Force-user’s perception could also possibly effect how the Force ghost is manifested. So Force ghosts could either choose how they want to appear, or maybe the conduit’s own imagination or memory of an individual could effect how they appear to them. If Luke had saw old holograms of young Anakin Skywalker, it could also explain why Luke perceived him that way in ROTJ. But the canon seems to imply their appearance is the ghost’s own choice, so maybe Anakin just wanted to appear young.

I think the writers will do whatever is necessary for the story, but I do think Force ghosts need some kind of limitations in-universe. Otherwise, they become a Deus Ex Machina that raises questions of why they didn’t just do this or that in the story.

We know Luke will appear as a Force ghost in IX, so maybe the extent of his abilities will broaden our view on Force ghosts and throw all my ideas out the window. This is just how I like to perceive it as of now.

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#1272008
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I actually have pretty similar feelings to Dom on this point. I always felt the best way to address the issue of young vs old Force ghost Anakin is to not have Anakin as a Force ghost at all. I’m not saying Anakin should never become one, but maybe Anakin could have learned in time, like Qui-Gon apparently did.

So even if we saw Anakin in IX, it wouldn’t necessarily contradict it. Anakin has had time to learn how to manifest himself, like Qui-Gon, since he never learned how when he was alive. Plus, we didn’t see Anakin’s body disappear, like Yoda, Obi-Wan, or Luke.

And I guess you could make an argument about him being the Chosen One, or the netherworld of the Force being beyond the boundaries of time, but still. It apparently took time for Qui-Gon to learn how to do it, but I guess you could argue that once he figured it out he just had to pass that information on to the others. And maybe Qui-Gon had learned how to become a Force ghost quickly, but the “shroud of the dark side” during the rise of Sidious and the Clone Wars was like a barrier that prevented him from making contact, and it wasn’t until some great disturbance in the Force, like the Jedi Purge, that allowed him to pass through that veil. It’s a lot of speculation.

You could even say Anakin spent eons floating around in the netherworld before he learned how to manifest himself, but it was merely an instant in our own reality.

I guess it might boil down to if it felt like Anakin earned it. Yes, I think he was able to find forgiveness, and forgive himself, which allowed for him to move on, similar to Luke. On the other hand, after being evil for so long, you do wonder if he could have spent some time floating in the netherworld as penance before being able to manifest himself.

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#1271896
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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I think I would just cut the line out altogether. Probably would be easier!

I would definitely have to see how that would look though. I think making Takodana red would be a lot easier than making D’Qar red, because D’Qar has a very blue horizon that would be hard to change. And with D’Qar, I would even recommend trying to desaturate the green a little bit, maybe make the grass look yellow almost. It might make D’Qar feel more like a grassland planet like Dantooine rather than a jungle-world like Yavin.

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#1271887
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Mocata said:

Since ROTS the prequels have slowly mutated from just movies, into ideas of movies, to ideas of memes. Now the internet has absorbed the whole thing and slowly spews out Palpatine image macros that have no relevance to the actual reality of movies that are below average at best. Meanwhile George’s position as “genius creator” remains unchallenged in a way that many will believe his now Disney branded version of events. Interesting? Maybe. But not surprising. People are weird and fickle.

Having gone from a child to an adult during this time period, I’m trying to go back and figure out what exactly changed between then and now. I kinda want to try and lay out a timeline of sorts.

So between 1999 and 2005, we had the releases of the prequels. The films didn’t do well critically, and while some fans liked them, a lot of fans who grew up with the OT didn’t. While I remember a lot of grade school kids my age liked the films for what they were, the kids who didn’t have an interest in Star Wars just didn’t say anything about them. I do remember though a lot of stuff from the early 00s days of the internet that did make fun of the prequels, like flash animations of Jar Jar, the “George Lucas raped my childhood” song, etc.

My memory isn’t the best during this time, so maybe someone who was already an adult in the 2000s could get a sense of the atmosphere better than I can. But it does seem like during the time, the kids still enjoyed the prequels, but the OG fans and critics alike were generally disappointed in them, while the movies came and went for general audiences (they still made $$$). I would definitely say during this time it was popular to hate the prequels. I also think the quality of the films probably encouraged disappointment toward George regarding the Special Editions as well as his refusal the release the unaltered OT.

This drastic change of attitude, though, I think can be seen just in the past 10 years.
In 2009 and 2010, RedLetterMedia released the Star Wars Plinkett reviews that went viral on the internet. Also, you had other media like the movie Fanboys (2009), about Star Wars fans wanting to break into Lucasfilm and watch The Phantom Menace so their terminally ill friend can watch it before he dies (the film ends with them in the theater on opening day with one of them asking, “What if it sucks?”), and you also had the documentary The People vs George Lucas (2010). A lot of this content at the turn of the decade, combined with the rise of social media, reignited the criticism toward the prequels. It also is during a time where the was little Star Wars content beyond The Clone Wars which were in their weaker, earlier seasons at the time.

But interestingly, I think the dialogue started to change again just within 5 or so years. Just a few years later, we found out Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, and they were making Episodes 7, 8 and 9. I remember people being a little skeptical about Star Wars becoming “Disney-fied”, I remember a lot of jokes about Jedi Mickey Mouse, but I generally seem to remember people being happy about it.

During that time gap, a few things had been beginning to happen. One, The Clone Wars had began to come into its own as a show, and were bringing back a lot of adult fans, and I also believe it began to recontextualize the prequels for many people. And second, a lot of the kids who grew up with the prequels were becoming adults, like myself. So during the build-up and anticipation for the new films, there began to be a lot of videos that were going back and looking at the prequels from a different perspective. You had videos like this, “Are the Star Wars Prequels Secretly Brilliant?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BNdF_NCVQ&t=406s

Suddenly some people were starting to spread the idea that the prequels weren’t so bad. After TFA came out, it seemed most critics, a lot of fans, and general audiences really enjoyed it ($$$$$$), but there were some fans who were quick to call it a New Hope rehash, probably its biggest criticism. People started comparing it to George’s “world building” in the Prequels and Clone Wars, and this only increased with how divisive The Last Jedi ended up being. You have people who really hate the new movies use George’s lack of involvement as a way to discredit the new films, or they will continuously praise George and his brilliance. the r/prequelmemes subreddit was also created in 2016, so after the TFA release.

But, I really think fans just use George as a weapon for their arguments and their opinions. I vividly remember people talking about how George betrayed his own vision with the Prequels and the Special Editions. The idea that the fans understood Star Wars better than its creator, that he had lost his touch, was a very common opinion. But now, people are saying that because the new movies lack George’s creative touch, that they are no better than “fan fiction”. You see what I mean?

And this leads us to now. I have no idea what this will mean for IX. I’m genuinely curious if JJ can do something that can please both the people who like the new movies and who don’t. If JJ and Chris have figured something out to do that, I will honestly think they’ve done the impossible. I think the safe bet though is that if you don’t like TFA and TLJ, you won’t like Episode IX. BUT, I would still encourage those people to give it a chance because I could be totally wrong (and I hope I am).

But I will be curious to see how people look back on this trilogy in 10-15 years. Honestly, with how fast social media moves now, I wouldn’t be surprised if people look back it in a better light even within 5 years. But I think with several years worth of extra content, and being able to watch the films back-to-back without years of anticipation and speculation, people will look back at them differently (especially with the voices of an adult Gen Z included). Also, if other media turns out to be popular with both sides of the fence, really like The Mandalorian and the new trilogies, people might start giving Disney-Lucasfilm Star Wars a fairer shake. It might be an optimistic view, but maybe a lot of the hate will stop when we leave the OT behind.

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#1271811
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Thanks! I’m sure we’ll find out more about Snoke in the future (maybe even in Episode IX) but I’ve been trying to think of ways to kind of hint at Snoke’s backstory. This is just one option, and this way you technically don’t have to change anything related to him in the ST. As soon as we see him we would know who he is, and although the movie wouldn’t tell us how he survived, Palpatine would have hinted at his abilities to “cheat death”, so we can assume he somehow managed.

Whenever we get more info on him, I’ll probably think of ways to hint at that backstory more in the films, but this is one option at least. Another I was thinking of would be to insert a very brief cameo in Return of the Jedi. For example, in the scene where Vader goes to tell Palpatine that Luke is on Endor, Palpatine has his chair turned away from the door. Maybe here, you could insert a hologram of a less-scarred Snoke in front of Palpatine, as if they were having a conversation that Vader interrupted, and the hologram quickly fades as the Emperor turns to face Vader.

This idea would be implying that Snoke may have been an advisor to the Emperor, and it wouldn’t necessarily be out of place because there is another scene in ROTJ where the Emperor is with his advisors. With this idea, Snoke was an advisor, maybe a dark side acolyte, who was already located in the Unknown Regions, and came to power once the Empire fled there. Maybe Snoke, after Sidious’ death, was trying to learn the ways of the dark side to resurrect the Sith. It would be an interesting inverse of Luke. This idea would be a lot easier to implement than the Snoke/Plagueis one, and you could make the hologram very brief so as it really wouldn’t hurt the sanctity of ROTJ, but still be enough to foreshadow his character for the ST.

Also, Kylo Ren’s line, “It’s time to let old things die. Snoke, Skywalker, the Jedi, the Sith, the rebels, let it all die.” This line seems to imply that the Sith weren’t totally dead, which leads credence to both ideas. With Snoke=Plagueis, even though Snoke may not have identified as a Sith anymore, he still had that knowledge and power. With Snoke as Advisor, it would also imply that Snoke was trying to keep the Sith traditions alive.

And like I said, the new canon might eventually come up with another backstory for him, but it would be cool to try to plant some hints to whatever it is in the films themselves. And if IX gives us backstory for him, then I’d just go with that. But until then, these might be two options to consider.

EDIT:
For Return of the Jedi, I’m referring to this scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85EEB_-fkQw

This ILM VFX Reel has a cool 180 pan around Snoke that could possible be used to have his hologram at the right angle in front of Palpatine, although a part of his head is cut off, so it would either need to be added back on or covered up with a hood or something
https://youtu.be/69Ld3phO1V0?t=26

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#1271794
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Rian Johnson to Head New Star Wars Trilogy
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leetwall31 said:

I really hope that’s not true. And it’s not the just the internet. Majority of my friends (whom aren’t Star Wars fans in the first place) really didn’t care for it. I can’t recall hearing any good opinions on it the time it came out. It was always “eh”.

I get what your saying, but anecdotal information isn’t really evidence. Many of the people I know who saw the movie liked it, and I read a lot of good opinions about the movie. Does that make me right?

No one is posting videos month-after-month about how AWESOME Episode 8 was. The only people who do that are Die-Hard-Fans, and they’re not saying it was AWESOME. They keep doing this month-after-month because they care about Star Wars the most, so Disney should listen to them more.

“You know it’s-”

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#1271792
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Thanks! And yeah, the hologram option gives you a lot of options that you could play with. I actually believe Anakin going to Windu was something that was added in reshoots. I believe the Secret History of Star Wars book goes over that. It might be worth going back and seeing why they decided to go back and add that, too.

Okay, jumping around again but here is another big idea.

Awhile back and I stumbled upon this guy’s YouTube channel called Write Engage Grow. He doesn’t have a lot of Star Wars videos, but he has one video for each of the prequel films. I especially like his video for Revenge of the Sith, and I plan on eventually implementing that idea to an edit, but he has an interesting, radical idea regarding The Phantom Menace that could fit here. I’ll share the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfewoflX7E

I’ll try to summarize it. Basically, he makes an argument for how Palpatine is one of the stronger characters of the Prequels, and since his identity isn’t much of a secret, it was a missed opportunity not to develop his story more. So, his suggestion (more from a rewriting perspective) was to cut the Gungan plot and instead use that time to have a few brief scenes with Palpatine and his master, Darth Plagueis. The Legends book, Plagueis, by James Luceno covers this relationship and actually reveals that Plagueis was around during the events of The Phantom Menace, and it was during this time that Palpatine killed him, which he recounts in Revenge of the Sith.

His video outlines some benefits of having a subplot like this. Anyway, most rewrite ideas are sort of useless fanediting-wise because of the infeasibility, but I actually don’t think this idea is totally out of the realm of possibility.
The idea would require shooting new scenes, but at the least it could be just two scenes, maybe three, basically equal to the amount of scenes Sidious and Maul get together. The scenes could either be shot on small, one-room sets or green screen, and you would only need two (or even just one) actor(s) in black robes that conceal their identity.

The first, and/or second, scene(s) would be reminiscent to the Vader/Emperor scene in Empire Strikes Back. Palpatine, in his black robe (we can’t see his face) enters a room and a hologram of Plagueis appears, giving some brief dialogue about the Sith or the Chosen One that could be pulled from the Plagueis novel. Most of the dialogue would be a new voice actor for Plagueis, with brief interjections from Palpatine where clean dialogue can be pulled from. For Palpatine’s shots we could use the close-up of him during his breif scene with Maul, and have his mouth move/not move when necessay to fit the dialogue.

The last scene would be of Palpatine, in all black, entering Plagueis’ bedroom to kill him. We wouldn’t have to see Plagueis, just the shape of a body in bed. The figure in black walks up to the bed, a quick shot of Palpatine’s face could be inserted somewhere (possibly the same one as before) and have him kill him someway, stabbing him with a lightsaber, Force lightning, etc.

Just to take this a step further, I’m not saying I would necessarily do this myself, but for those who like this certain theory, it could be an opportunity to set up the idea that Darth Plagueis’ alter ego is Snoke.
For the shots of Plagueis’ face, you could use these photoshopped images of Snoke without the facial deformities and scarring. 1) https://i.redd.it/bpnydo7c3vk01.jpg 2) https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/4a/ba/f24aba15a31f5f132cd80fc953168bb1.jpg
Then, you could use the same technique Adywan used for his Emperor in ESB:R to make him feel like he is talking. And you can find some pretty decent Snoke impersonators on YouTube, and probably here on this site too.

Whatever Palpatine does to “kill” him could be the reason for his scars, and you could have Palpatine kill him in a more ambiguous way. I can imagine a shot where Palpatine knocks over a candle in his room as he leaves, and then we see his ship flying away from the building as his apartment is on fire. Or, he blows up his apartment from a distance. A lot of options. The only downside is we wouldn’t get an explanation of how he survived, beyond Palpatine saying he knew how to “create life” and “cheat death”. And, of course, how Plagueis’ survival could undermine Palpatine’s own intelligence and authority as the big bad of the OT.

Anyway, this is a bigger edit idea then my usual stuff, but it definitely fits under that “Radical Idea” criteria, but I don’t think it is totally impossible either. Just would require some actual costumes and production work.

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#1271757
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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That is a really good question! I think it is a bit of both.

I don’t know how much of it is intentional on George and Larry’s part when they wrote Luke this way, of course having Luke be a swashbuckler in this instance is a lot more fun than if he talked their way out of it, but I think the film constantly shows Luke kind of in this grey area between the dark side and “the good side” that is meant for us to wonder if Luke is going to turn or not.

Of course Luke and company had limited resources with their knowledge and experience so they had limited options, but I think a wiser Jedi would have found a way to resolve the situation without violence, or at least non-fatal violence. The only instance of violence from Obi-Wan or Yoda in the OT is when Obi-Wan cuts off that guy’s arm in the Cantina, but even then it appears he didn’t kill the guy, just “disarmed” him.

I mean yeah, Luke’s intentions are totally in the right place, he is doing it to save his friends, but I think even just in the OT it is demonstrated how even good intentions can lead you down the path of the dark side. Yoda feared Luke turning when he was so desperate to save his friends on Bespin, and Luke almost turned when he got a taste of the dark side when Vader threatened to turn Leia.

I think the old ROTJ even implied that Luke is happy to destroy people who caused his friends pain. As Luke is growing in power, he clearly is still coming to understand his relationship with it, and I think that is pretty compelling for his character.

I’ll leave you with this one important question: Did Max Rebo deserve to die?

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#1271733
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I had two more thoughts about this.

I think a part of the reason Finn is desperate for BB-8 to tell them the base’s location is because if BB-8 doesn’t, then it hurts Finn’s credibility as a Resistance member. If BB-8 refuses to, and Finn also doesn’t know, then it raises a lot of questions for Rey, and we don’t have any other dialogue to rationalize that.

And with Han, yeah, he has a “dirty” ship and he apparently doesn’t want to risk the First Order tracing it to the Resistance Base, but after the battle there, when he sees Kylo take Rey, he probably assumes he took her because she saw the map. So, Han knows that they got what they were after without BB-8, so the First Order won’t be following them anymore.

I think the logic of this stuff can get pretty nitpicky when you put it under a microscope, but I think you can rationalize it just as much as you can tear it apart.

While I would agree that it makes the most sense for the story if they don’t know how to get there, and they need Han to help them with that, it just raises questions of why BB-8 doesn’t know if you just try to cut that scene, or why he just doesn’t plug in the coordinates without telling them if it was a security issue. But we never really get any dialogue to explain that so it would still be a little vague.

So, you could either cut the scene and just imply BB-8 doesn’t know, have BB-8 refuse to tell them, have it be because Han doesn’t want to take them himself, or just don’t change any dialogue and accept the assumptions I mentioned earlier.

EDIT: I do have to say, it does help that BB-8 says the location is “need-to-know”, and how it seems like Rey relents and basically says, “if you can’t tell me where your Base is, then I’ll just drop you off at Ponema terminal”. Which helps explain why she doesn’t take them all the way there. It could raise the question of why Finn doesn’t tell her and would that make Rey suspicious, but the scene moves pretty quick and Rey seems to accept that she just might not be allowed to know. So either Rey assumes that Finn isn’t allowed to tell her, or that Finn doesn’t know because he is a just field operative or something.

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#1271732
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Hal 9000 said:

(In moviemaking parlance based on how its presented; Luke’s being real murderous in reality.)

Yeah. The music during that scene is very heroic, but if you think about it, him threatening Jabba with death, and then killing all of his minions doesn’t exactly scream “the Jedi way”. But I think it serves the story.

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#1271664
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Maybe Han doesn’t feel like finding Luke is as important as it seems to us and the Resistance. So to Han, taking a brief detour doesn’t feel like a big deal.

Haha, I never thought of that! It’s all Han’s fault!
That is easy to say, but it is still likely something else could have gone wrong before they made it to the Resistance. Someone else could have tracked the Falcon, or someone could have recognized them at Ponema Terminal, who knows?

And if you make it to where BB-8 chooses not to tell them, then it kinda becomes his fault that all of that happens instead of Han’s. Alternatively, you could make BB-8 not know, but you would think a Resistance astromech would know where the Resistance Base is.

Every option presents problems, but I think just having Han not want to face Leia raises the least amount of issues.

Also, it is kind of weird that Rey is just gonna drop them off at Ponema Terminal. Why not just take them all the way to the Base, then go back? If she is so concerned about getting BB-8 to the Resistance, why not make sure he gets there?

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#1271659
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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So you would be losing those cute moments of BB-8 doing the head-turn between Rey and Finn, as well as the little lighter thumbs-up gag? I understand the logic behind this change, but I feel like those were moments that really sold the audience on BB-8 and would be a real shame to lose.

Also, why wouldn’t BB-8 know the location of the Resistance Base?

EDIT: Probably the idea with the least amount of changes would be to just make it that Han doesn’t want to take them to the Resistance himself. He can’t bare to see Leia again. So, he wants to take them to Maz and let it be someone else’s problem. So it isn’t because they don’t know where the Resistance Base is, or that the Falcon is a traceable ship, which makes it weird that they would take it to the Resistance Base. Instead, it is just Han’s own fear of facing Leia, facing what happened.

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#1271658
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Another Revenge of the Sith idea.

I believe I’ve mentioned this before, and I’ve seen versions of this idea on blogs that try to “rewrite” the movie, so it isn’t new.
But what if Anakin executing Dooku played a part in Anakin not being made a master?

Just an idea, but what if in the dolly in shot of Anakin standing before the council, we were to add a hologram of Anakin standing over Dooku’s body, basically a security hologram from the Separatist ship. Then after the hologram fades, Windu tells Anakin is on the council, but will not be granted the rank of master.

The idea being that Anakin executes Dooku am immediately recognizes that it wasn’t the Jedi way. The Jedi then reprimand Anakin for this action by not making him a master. Then later, when Windu is about to execute Palpatine and says the same thing Palpatine did, that “He’s too dangerous to be kept alive”, it makes Anakin see the Jedi as hypocritical, and not any better than the Sith. That Windu is trying to do the same thing that Anakin was punished for.

The reason I even suggest this is that the only reason Mace and the other Jedi seem so weary of Anakin is because of his close relationship with Palpatine, but their attitude towards Anakin feels pretty hostile even from the beginning. They’ve known Anakin since he was a boy, so is his relationship with Palpatine enough to justify their distrust and coldness toward Anakin?

So, I wonder if Anakin did something at the beginning of the film that held a consequence, it would help explain the Jedi’s lack of trust in him. He is a powerful Jedi, but the death of Dooku would be proof that Anakin teeters toward the dark side. I also think Anakin’s actions carrying that consequence would be a little more compelling story-wise, as well.

Maybe someone could articulate the pros and cons of this idea better than I could. Would love to gets some thoughts on this.

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#1271607
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Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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Hey man, I totally understand your perspective and why it makes you so angry, but I don’t think anyone here is necessarily against you. I feel like your hostility towards capitalism and Hollywood in general is sorta seeps out sometimes onto other members on here.

I don’t know, I’m not trying to be rude. I get where you’re coming from, but I also don’t think the people on here are against you. Just sometimes your comments feel a little pretentious, and people are going to be less inclined to listen to you that way.

I’m glad we have someone that reminds us every once in awhile that Star Wars is a commercial product as much as it is a fairy tale, but maybe people are just put off a little by your fervor sometimes. But I get it. Just wanted to give you my two cents.

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#1271498
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THE FORCE AWAKENS (Episode VII) Discussion *SPOILER THREAD* See OP For Trailer/Teaser Links--Trailer is out!
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Written material seems to imply that Starkiller Base is capable of traveling through hyperspace. Like Hal said, with the way Restructured is cut, it is not necessary to have to speculate on that question in his version.

Yes, draining a system’s star basically dooms any planet that exists in it, but it’s not a really effective method of genocide if the people on those planets can still evacuate their world.

I know Star Wars is pretty fast-and-loose with the science in science fiction, but there are definitely more uninhabited star systems than there are systems with habitable worlds, so it’s not like they really have to choose a system to sacrifice in order to destroy another. There are literally billions of stars in the galaxy to choose from.

Sure, they totally could doom another rebellious star system if they wanted, but they don’t have to.

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#1271487
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Episode VI: Return of the Jedi — The 'Ziggy' Edit
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I wouldn’t say that he was necessarily implying that Yoda was really talking about Leia all along, I think it was just a cool editing choice.

I don’t think trying to foreshadow Rey would really work in the context of ESB/ROTJ. I mean, Yoda definitely meant Leia, and I also don’t think it is fair to downplay her importance either. She is just as much Vader’s daughter as Luke is Vader’s son.

I don’t really think there is another way to downplay Leia being the ‘other’ more than it already is. As far as Leia’s connection to the Force, all we get is her sensing Luke hanging underneath Cloud City (Which could be argued as just Luke calling out to Leia), Obi-Wan conforming that they’re siblings, and Luke telling Leia she has that power too.

As far as edits changing that, I think I would only approach that in two ways.

Option 1) I would make ROTJ a stand-alone film that is sort of meant to have been the last Star Wars film, where it doesn’t matter if Luke and Leia are siblings.

Option 2) I would try to add more hints that Leia is Force-sensitive, and try to downplay Luke/Leia kissing and stuff where possible.

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#1271440
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Game footage for some background plates of Mustafar?

That is possible, although I don’t know if any game is high quality enough for it to be passing. If Battlefront 2 ever came out with a Mustafar map, I could see it working, or like I said, someone made the room from scratch in Unreal Engine
or something.

Otherwise, we’d just have to get random shots of the room from the movie and piece some empty background shots together.