I’m assuming that once V2 is out, discussions for the Rey Nobody version will start.
I think so. If you’re interested in the progress of that, you should definitely keep an eye on the Rey Nobody thread and provide any thoughts/ideas you might have.
Yeah, Dom was one of the people who brought up the idea of giving Leia more lines, so he obviously wants something to work. It’s not like he doesn’t like what you’ve done. I think we both appreciate the effort you’ve put into it. He was just saying it still wasn’t totally seamless to him. I also kind of agree with that. I think Sid brought up good points though. This definitely seems like a subjective thing. It might help to get some fresh perspectives on the tests.
Thanks! Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I like where you have it too Jar Jar.
EDIT: Anytime I type your name I can’t help but think I’m having conversations with literal Jar Jar Binks.
I kind of like that scene partly because it has no dialogue.
You could argue he just means he found her, or she’s in his grasp. But yeah, it might make people think that he intends to kill her when he says that.
I actually used that line in a test I did of their force back duel. I had taken out Kylo’s line, “You know why the Emperor always wanted you dead. I’ll come tell you” for some Rey Nobody tests. So they fight, he sees Vader’s helmet land at his feet, he realizes where she is, they clash a little bit more, and when their faces are close, he says, “I have you now”, then disappears.
Oh yeah, don’t get me wrong, I think it is good to keep in mind what George would say: Star Wars is for 12-year-olds. Not everything has to be logical or practical, as long as it is fun and imaginative.
But, if a change can be character driven, then it might be more valuable than a fun story device.
I do like the idea of the marker though. So, was the marker and the blade made for anyone who was worthy to be able to find Exegol, or a specific person? If someone made the marker and the blade knowing where the wayfinder was, then they must’ve wanted to leave it there for someone to find.
Alternatively, some white supremacists could’ve beat up Capitol police with a Rebel Alliance flag…
Even if one were to get it to work, I would still laugh.
Oh, it’s beautiful…
The new additions blend in really nicely, Faraday.
Just thinking about the story itself. If 3PO can’t vocally translate it, I wonder why they couldn’t have 3PO write/type it out, or have 3PO pull up the planet on the nav computer.
I kinda wish 3PO didn’t know what it said at all. Maybe he couldn’t read it because Sith was a banned language in general. Then, they all go to Babu to download the illegal language program. But to install it, they have to do a complete system wipe.
Also, instead of the blade telling them the exact coordinates, I think it would’ve made more sense if the runes explained that if the wielder embraces/taps into the dark side, the blade will point them in the right direction. This would’ve allowed the blade to be ancient, but still lead them to the more modern Death Star ruins, since it would always lead the wielder to the wayfinder regardless of where it was.
I could imagine a scene where a holographic star field is projected in a room, and Rey reluctantly taps into the dark side, letting in all that pain and anguish she got a taste of when she first touched it. Then, with the blade extended in front of her, she points to the correct planet. Like a water diviner finding ground water.
Or, she has to let that vision of pain and anguish she first got a glimpse of continue, until she finally gets a glimpse of the Death Star ruins. Once she mentions seeing it, Poe would know where the ruins are. I like the line about sharing the secrets with only the blades victims, so it would be interesting if Rey had to prick her skin with the blade or something in order to have that secret revealed to her through a vision.
Then once they get to the planet, the whispers she hears grow louder as she gets closer to the wayfinder. Sort of how Hal has it right now in Ascendant. Then you don’t need the blade to line up with the Death Star ruins, which would’ve arguably changed in the years following the blade’s creation, as the metal structure kept degrading in the ocean water. But, hey, it’s Star Wars I guess.
But I like the idea of Rey having to tap into the dark side in order to find the wayfinder. It’s like Sith designed it so only dark siders could find it. And if they weren’t dark side users before, they could be well along their way by the time they find it.
Was thinking about the DOTF script today again, and while there are many things I don’t like about the script, I really wish we could’ve gotten it’s ending.
Rise of Skywalker’s ending as the benefit of leaving the further adventures of our heroes open to our imagination, I think DOTF present a really beautiful finality to the story. Rey, Finn and Rose all lost their families, or barely had one to begin with. So, getting to see them be a family for the next generation would’ve been really nice to see. So much of Rey’s trauma and struggles with her identity came from being abandoned by her family, so to have her ensure these children go through the same struggles would’ve really brought her character full circle, I think.
Something I’m glad we didn’t get, in retrospect, was the attack on Coruscant. Although it would’ve been cool to see the planet in this new context, I think the Resistance attacking the capitol would’ve aged poorly after the Capitol Riots on January 6th here in the US. I’m pretty sure the big ship that hovers over the planet (that Rose programs to fly into the sun) is even referred to as the Capitol. Yeahhh.
Honestly, I think some combination between the DOTF and TROS scripts could’ve turned out nicely, taking the best from both.
The Canto Bight storyline already does have consequence. Finn learns to care more about the actual cause itself after learning from Rose about the galaxy’s suffering and how the First Order treats others aside from their own men, and even then DJ turns them in to the First Order and leaks the Resistance’s plan and Holdo sacrifices herself because of this.
Hahaha, and here I was thinking I was actually on the same page as you for once!
EDIT: Not that I don’t agree with a lot of the things you say, like what you said above. It’s just funny.
Right, and it’s something the crawl can help imply as well. Like has Ascendant has it now, you can say how flames of rebellion are burning across the galaxy. You also could say something about maintaining control is stretching their resources thin. It isn’t necessary, but it is a simple way to set up that the First Order needs more resources to stay in power.
EDIT: Just talking freely, but this is something that makes me wish JJ and Terrio had kept the Kuat sequence from the beginning of the Duel of the Fates script. Even though they just steal a destroyer in that sequence, if our heroes would’ve succeeded and had destroyed Kuat Drive Yards, it would’ve set up the First Order needing to compensate for that loss of resources. It also would’ve been a nice way to give the whole Canto Bight subplot a little more consequence (since our heroes would’ve been tearing down the war machine, essentially).
The problem with “Tell me” is that you’re just taking a line from one scene and moving it to another. If you move it over, then Leia only says the word “No” in her wayfinder conversation with Rey. That’s just laughably bad imo.
I mean, just use it twice?
I would like to see if “Tell me” would feel natural in that wide shot.
Considering TROS Mustafar looks nothing like ROTS Mustafar, I would love to see a regrade that looks like the concept art. You wouldn’t have to name it, but you could call it Wayland. Might be fitting since the Sith Fleet is reminiscent to the Thrawn trilogy’s Katana Fleet.
Hmm, I do like what you’re going for, but I also worry that using too much would make the artificiality of Leia’s performance feel even more noticeable than it was before.
At this point, I’m thinking these might be the most seamless options:
For that scene, keep Rey’s line first. Take Leia saying “Tell me” from the Exegol conversation and let that be Leia’s response in that wide shot.
Rey: Didn’t finish the training course. Got distracted.
Leia: Tell me.
Rey: I’m just not feeling myself. I know it, it looks like I’m making excuses…
Leia: Don’t tell me what things look like, tell me what they are.
I think it fits there naturally in the conversation, and I feel like that wide shot desperately needs some kind of response from Leia. It’s like Rey’s just continuing the conversation with herself while Leia just stands there. It might make more sense to have Leia say something there, than to squeeze in a line where there is not much space for the other line to breathe.
And then for the Exegol conversation, maybe we could just try to trim the pause so it feels like Leia doesn’t even have time to give Rey a reason not to go.
If we can’t get the new lines to feel seamless, this might be the best way to work with what we have.
Awesome tests!
I know there is a pretty brief time period before Rey begins speaking, but I actually think it’d be nice to combine both examples, “Well, that’s the important stuff dealt with.”
I don’t know if there is enough time to fit in Rey saying “No”. (I think having her say “I” at the beginning of that sentence would be nice, too) I think “Well” would work better if it was inflected like a question. Like, “Well?” or “So?” I know there are very limited options though.
Looking back at that scene, even if we couldn’t find something perfect to fit in the beginning, I think it would be nice to have Leia ask, “Why?” in that wide shot, at the very least. So it goes like:
Rey: Didn’t finish the training course. Got distracted.
Leia: Why?
Rey: I’m just not feeling myself.
See? Just one extra word makes it feel more like an actual conversation. “Tell me” could fit in there too.
Also, I feel like the added lines could potentially be ever so slightly pitched down or something. Leia just seems to speak a little deeper in TROS than she did in TFA, or her Lego lines more specifically.
Smart thought Neerb! I like the line, but I see what you’re saying Jar Jar. Maybe a combo of an extra word, plus shortening the silence might help sell it.
I also worry about the inflection 100% fitting the new scene, but maybe the right levels and such could help it blend. And like Neerb said, if nothing works you could just have Rey respond a little more quickly.
EDIT: I also wonder if you could slow the line down ever so slightly so it doesn’t feel so rushed.
Ooo, nice find Jar Jar! Hopefully it will fit in well with the rest of the scene.
Hmmm good idea.
I can’t go back through the lines again right now to see if this is possible but I’m pretty sure this might be.
Cool, hopefully we can find something.
I think there are two or three other places that could work well with extra bits of Leia dialogue.
When Rey says she’s gonna run the training course, as Leia hands her the saber, Leia could say, “Good”, “Alright”, “Here”. I think a funny line would work nicely here, since Leia gives her a little smirk, but I’m not sure what could fit.
I think another place that could use a Leia line would be when Rey is back at the base, and she just starts talking to Leia, who we don’t realize is off-screen until it cuts to her. In that first shot of Rey rummaging through her bag, you could have Leia say, “What happened?”, “What’s wrong?”, or even “Tell me”, which he says twice in that conversation, later on during their Exegol conversation, and again in TFA, when C-3PO tells her R2 has good news.
I was going to suggest having Leia say something like, “Here”, “It’s yours” when Leia gives Rey the saber before she leaves, but I think in this scene at least, the less that is said, the better it is.
I think even if we could find the start of a sentence. Something like, “I don’t-“, “We need to-“, “You have to-“. Then we can have Rey interrupt her.
The lack of a payoff of Finn wanting to tell Rey of his Force-sensitivity is the point.
Maybe that was their intent, but it failed in execution imo. You might understand the nuances of Abrams and Terrio’s storytelling abilities, but if the majority of the audience doesn’t really get it, then you have to ask yourself if they actually succeeded at conveying the story they were trying to tell the audience.
Anyway, it may be a good idea for us to put any new ideas on a hiatus for now, and just keep the topic on changes that are actively on the to-do list.
Just have one of those cheesy movie scenes where there is a picture of each character with a blurb of what happened to them after the events of the movie lol
Lol, just like American Graffiti. Lucas’ vision comes full circle.