Lego TFA Kylo Dialogue
0:13 = Even if Lor San Tekka is not, someone here will know where he was going.
0:27 = He means nothing to me.
During the Force Bond duel:
“It was Palpatine who had your parents taken. He was looking for you, but they wouldn’t say where you were. So, he gave the order.”
During the hangar scene:
“Because he saw what you would become.”
Also, “My mother was the daughter of Vader…”
I can’t recall how different the camera movement of the two shots are, but it would be nice if he could just swap out the background footage in that project file. It probably wouldn’t be that easy, knowing our luck.
You can just crop it in a way where you just crop the bottom of the frame instead of the top.
I would say cut it and replace it with this one. Two similar establishing shots back-to-back might seem weird. I also liked the idea someone had to make the entire sequence redder, matching more closely with the color palette of Mustafar from ROTS.
EDIT: Although the new shot is pretty short, so having both might actually work.
Damn, that is impressive work, Nev!
This could work if you only used it in a couple spots. Could do with the Leia change to drive that point home. I think another spot that could help would be after 3PO recounts the events of the trilogy. Always thought this was kind of an odd sequence but I think the point is that the Ewoks hearing their stories inspired them to join their mission to fight. Could add a subtitle or two there to make that clear.
Agreed. I would say the only two places I would put Ewok subtitles would be there, when they chief says they’ll join their fight, and when the chief speaks before/after Leia asks them to release her friends.
Somehow I remember the quality being way worse than it actually is. That could be cleaned up pretty easily. I think between that and some trims (would cut the scene where she falls into his lap) you could patch the issue for the most part.
I guess the first step would be to try and download the best quality version of this video.
If we couldn’t clean it up seamlessly, I think it would be cool to use for a more grainy, Puggo Grande-like version of the film using deleted scenes and alternate takes. I actually think it would be cool to do something similar for all three Original Trilogy films. Like how the Revisited trilogy are “What the Special Editions should have been”, these could be “what the Original Trilogy could have been.”
Luckily the scene doesn’t have to be colorized, since we got that clip from the 40h anniversary BTS reel on the Star Wars YouTube channel.
In that clip, George’s voiceover continues into that scene, but the clip itself seems to begin on the tail end of Han’s line, "You like me because I’m a scoundrel. There aren’t enough scoundrels in your life."
Here is how the scene goes:
CLOSE-UP OF LEIA
LEIA: Afraid?
HAN: You’re trembling.
TWO SHOT OF HAN AND LEIA
LEIA: I’m not trembling.
HAN: You like me because I’m a scoundrel. There aren’t enough scoundrels in your life.
LEIA: I happen to like nice men.
HAN: I am a nice man.
LEIA: No you’re not. You’re-
Han kisses Leia. Cut to wide as 3PO interrupts them.
This is how the scene could go, with that alternate take.
CLOSE-UP OF LEIA
LEIA: Afraid?
HAN: There aren’t enough-
ALTERNATE HAN AND LEIA TWO SHOT
HAN: -scoundrels in you’re life.
LEIA: I happen to like nice men.
HAN: I am a nice man.
LEIA: You are not nice. You are-
Han kisses Leia. Han pulls back, unsure of Leia’s reaction.
LEIA: Okay, hotshot.
Leia kisses Han back. Cut to wide as 3PO interrupts them.
I do like the alternate take, because it does show some vulnerability to Han. When he pulls back, he almost looks guilty, worried that he might’ve been too forward. He gulps, waiting for Leia’s reaction. Leia taking charge of the situation also fits Leia’s character better, I think. Sort of like how Leia took charge of her own rescue in ANH. And it also fits well with the continuity, since in the wide shot where 3PO interrupts them, Leia’s arm is around Han’s neck. She doesn’t put her arm around him in the theatrical close-up two shot, but she does in the alternate take.
At the very least, it would be cool to have this alternate take of this scene, even if you lose a line or two. I guess it then becomes a question of if you can get the color grade to match, and get the music/audio to fit in seamlessly.
I think it would be worth playing around with a few other versions of “he” or “Vader”, because I think it will give the helmet a little more context and fit in better with Snoke and Kylo’s conversations regarding him living up to Vader’s legacy. Have you tried pulling from the Lego game and TROS as well?
I don’t think the ‘you’ in, “Show me, Supreme Leader, and I will finish what you started” would be interpreted as referring to Vader. It seems clearly referring to the Supreme Leader in this sentence. I guess ‘you’ could be be used in a plural noun in this context, as in “you, Vader and Palpatine” or whatever, but I don’t think most people will interpret it that way. I could even see some people being confused and thinking he is referring to Vader as Supreme Leader.
Also, I think Kylo saying he will finish what Snoke started brings up questions about him that are never really answered. What did Snoke start? Destroying Luke’s Jedi? Technically Kylo Ren did that.
I know I’m probably overthinking it but I think changing it, if you can, would just help clarify the scene more.
Man, it’s always a pleasant surprise to see a Starlight update from you!
Using voices instead of flashes for the interrogation is fantastic! It got me really excited my first listen-through.
At first, I wasn’t so sure about Kylo’s prayer being moved here. It seemed weird that he was “praying” to Snoke while looking at Vader’s helmet. But honestly, I think that weirdness came more from how I understood the scene. If I was watching this film for the first time this way, I probably would understand what was going on, and assume that the helmet was something that connected Snoke and Kylo in a way. Maybe Snoke gifted the helmet to Kylo or something. Perhaps if you could have Kylo say, “and I will finish what Vader started” or “I will finish what he started”, and then we see Vader’s helmet, we would still get the idea that Snoke is using Vader’s legacy to manipulate Kylo. This would allow Rey’s line “You’re afraid that you’ll never be as strong as Darth Vader” still make sense, and it also ties into Snoke’s dialogue regarding Vader in TLJ.
I also feel like the audience would be confused why Kylo is feeling the pull to the light all of the sudden. Yes, we do hear Leia’s voice during the interrogation, and I follow the logic of that potentially bringing up some memories in Kylo. I wonder if you could add Poe saying “General Leia” or “Leia” to the voices, to make it clear to the audience that’s whose voice we’re hearing. Perhaps even Kylo could even say, “Leia” or “the General” to acknowledge her. Maybe where he says, “Where is it?” the second to last time, he could mention her, or even say something like, “She gave the order” (Which you could mostly take from TROS) to show he is thinking about her momentarily during the interrogation.
I guess theoretically, we still wouldn’t know either way that Kylo was Leia’s son at this point, so why he is feeling the pull should be a bit of a mystery. Although it hasn’t been spelled out yet, the audience probably knows there is some kind of connection between the audience and the Skywalkers. And then when we realize he is her son, Kylo mentioning her in the interrogation and then talking about the pull to the light in the next scene makes total sense.
This video goes into how his performance could be interpreted as predatory.
It could be interesting to add a bit of their kiss scene back in where Leia says, “Okay, hotshot”, and kisses him back, but I’m not sure how you would cut it to fit it into the scene.
I’m assuming that once V2 is out, discussions for the Rey Nobody version will start.
I think so. If you’re interested in the progress of that, you should definitely keep an eye on the Rey Nobody thread and provide any thoughts/ideas you might have.
I’m assuming that once V2 is out, discussions for the Rey Nobody version will start.
I think so. If you’re interested in the progress of that, you should definitely keep an eye on the Rey Nobody thread and provide any thoughts/ideas you might have.
Yeah, Dom was one of the people who brought up the idea of giving Leia more lines, so he obviously wants something to work. It’s not like he doesn’t like what you’ve done. I think we both appreciate the effort you’ve put into it. He was just saying it still wasn’t totally seamless to him. I also kind of agree with that. I think Sid brought up good points though. This definitely seems like a subjective thing. It might help to get some fresh perspectives on the tests.
Thanks! Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I like where you have it too Jar Jar.
EDIT: Anytime I type your name I can’t help but think I’m having conversations with literal Jar Jar Binks.
I kind of like that scene partly because it has no dialogue.
You could argue he just means he found her, or she’s in his grasp. But yeah, it might make people think that he intends to kill her when he says that.
I actually used that line in a test I did of their force back duel. I had taken out Kylo’s line, “You know why the Emperor always wanted you dead. I’ll come tell you” for some Rey Nobody tests. So they fight, he sees Vader’s helmet land at his feet, he realizes where she is, they clash a little bit more, and when their faces are close, he says, “I have you now”, then disappears.
Oh yeah, don’t get me wrong, I think it is good to keep in mind what George would say: Star Wars is for 12-year-olds. Not everything has to be logical or practical, as long as it is fun and imaginative.
But, if a change can be character driven, then it might be more valuable than a fun story device.
I do like the idea of the marker though. So, was the marker and the blade made for anyone who was worthy to be able to find Exegol, or a specific person? If someone made the marker and the blade knowing where the wayfinder was, then they must’ve wanted to leave it there for someone to find.
Alternatively, some white supremacists could’ve beat up Capitol police with a Rebel Alliance flag…
Even if one were to get it to work, I would still laugh.
Oh, it’s beautiful…
The new additions blend in really nicely, Faraday.
Just thinking about the story itself. If 3PO can’t vocally translate it, I wonder why they couldn’t have 3PO write/type it out, or have 3PO pull up the planet on the nav computer.
I kinda wish 3PO didn’t know what it said at all. Maybe he couldn’t read it because Sith was a banned language in general. Then, they all go to Babu to download the illegal language program. But to install it, they have to do a complete system wipe.
Also, instead of the blade telling them the exact coordinates, I think it would’ve made more sense if the runes explained that if the wielder embraces/taps into the dark side, the blade will point them in the right direction. This would’ve allowed the blade to be ancient, but still lead them to the more modern Death Star ruins, since it would always lead the wielder to the wayfinder regardless of where it was.
I could imagine a scene where a holographic star field is projected in a room, and Rey reluctantly taps into the dark side, letting in all that pain and anguish she got a taste of when she first touched it. Then, with the blade extended in front of her, she points to the correct planet. Like a water diviner finding ground water.
Or, she has to let that vision of pain and anguish she first got a glimpse of continue, until she finally gets a glimpse of the Death Star ruins. Once she mentions seeing it, Poe would know where the ruins are. I like the line about sharing the secrets with only the blades victims, so it would be interesting if Rey had to prick her skin with the blade or something in order to have that secret revealed to her through a vision.
Then once they get to the planet, the whispers she hears grow louder as she gets closer to the wayfinder. Sort of how Hal has it right now in Ascendant. Then you don’t need the blade to line up with the Death Star ruins, which would’ve arguably changed in the years following the blade’s creation, as the metal structure kept degrading in the ocean water. But, hey, it’s Star Wars I guess.
But I like the idea of Rey having to tap into the dark side in order to find the wayfinder. It’s like Sith designed it so only dark siders could find it. And if they weren’t dark side users before, they could be well along their way by the time they find it.
Was thinking about the DOTF script today again, and while there are many things I don’t like about the script, I really wish we could’ve gotten it’s ending.
Rise of Skywalker’s ending as the benefit of leaving the further adventures of our heroes open to our imagination, I think DOTF present a really beautiful finality to the story. Rey, Finn and Rose all lost their families, or barely had one to begin with. So, getting to see them be a family for the next generation would’ve been really nice to see. So much of Rey’s trauma and struggles with her identity came from being abandoned by her family, so to have her ensure these children go through the same struggles would’ve really brought her character full circle, I think.
Something I’m glad we didn’t get, in retrospect, was the attack on Coruscant. Although it would’ve been cool to see the planet in this new context, I think the Resistance attacking the capitol would’ve aged poorly after the Capitol Riots on January 6th here in the US. I’m pretty sure the big ship that hovers over the planet (that Rose programs to fly into the sun) is even referred to as the Capitol. Yeahhh.
Honestly, I think some combination between the DOTF and TROS scripts could’ve turned out nicely, taking the best from both.
The Canto Bight storyline already does have consequence. Finn learns to care more about the actual cause itself after learning from Rose about the galaxy’s suffering and how the First Order treats others aside from their own men, and even then DJ turns them in to the First Order and leaks the Resistance’s plan and Holdo sacrifices herself because of this.
Hahaha, and here I was thinking I was actually on the same page as you for once!
EDIT: Not that I don’t agree with a lot of the things you say, like what you said above. It’s just funny.
Right, and it’s something the crawl can help imply as well. Like has Ascendant has it now, you can say how flames of rebellion are burning across the galaxy. You also could say something about maintaining control is stretching their resources thin. It isn’t necessary, but it is a simple way to set up that the First Order needs more resources to stay in power.
EDIT: Just talking freely, but this is something that makes me wish JJ and Terrio had kept the Kuat sequence from the beginning of the Duel of the Fates script. Even though they just steal a destroyer in that sequence, if our heroes would’ve succeeded and had destroyed Kuat Drive Yards, it would’ve set up the First Order needing to compensate for that loss of resources. It also would’ve been a nice way to give the whole Canto Bight subplot a little more consequence (since our heroes would’ve been tearing down the war machine, essentially).