I agree with what you’re saying. It would be easier to just make his other arm gold, but I would like to see it the other way around, make his arm red in his last TFA shot and TLJ. If there is a time jump between TLJ and IX, it’d be easy to assume he got his arm replaced in the interim, so you wouldn’t have to change anything for IX.
I thought the scene had to stay for just making sense of the plot but I cut out the sexual joke of her saying “He can do everythingggg…”
Haha, yeah I can totally see why you would want to.
I have seen others suggest cutting away after Poe points at Finn, and then have Rose say “Poe said he would have a red plom blume on his lapel” rahter than ‘Maz’, but I’m not sure it would work, and you would also be cutting Finn giving Poe the binary beacon.
While I agree with a lot of people’s issues with Maz’s cameo in TLJ and can understand people who would want to remove it altogether, I wanted to suggest a lighter trimming of that scene for those who would rather make smaller changes throughout.
First, if one were to remove the trade dispute reference, you could try to infer that she is fighting the First Order on another planet. It might help get the idea across that there is fighting going on across the galaxy. Maybe some additional sound effects could help with this.
Second, I also wonder if cutting Maz saying that she could do it herself would raise the stakes a little because then only the Master Codebreaker would be good enough to do it.
So, something like, “Can I do it? I can’t do it, but lucky for you, there is exactly one guy I trust who can crack that kind of security.” or “Can I do it? Of course I can do it! But I can’t do it, I’m a little tied down right now. But lucky for you…”
I’m not saying these changes would make it better. But the scene always felt a little off to me, and I wonder if something like one of these ideas could help with the scene a little. Just some thoughts.
Even when I first saw the movie, I thought that the journey to Luke should have been longer. After all, the map shows a lot of twists and turns, so I imagine there would be some obstacles and pit stops on the way to that remote island. With that in mind, here’s a very rough idea of how this could be implemented:
There’s not nearly enough footage for this to be feasible yet, but perhaps by the time this trilogy is over I can revisit the idea 😉
I know it’s been awhile since you posted this but I’m really in love with this idea. I think it has a very adventurous feel to it and I think it would be a fun addition. It definitely would feel more like a journey.
I do know that there are one or two more Falcon in hyperspace shots that could be used now from TLJ, but I wonder if for some of the other shots could be made by either making some CG space environments, or even using some high quality images from Hubble, Cassini, etc. as the background and then inserting a blender model of the TFA Falcon flying through them. I know there are some pretty decent models, like this one: https://sketchfab.com/models/798f0d3be4524c8c86b77a52a88570f8
Dr. Krogshöj said:
You have a keen eye! By the way, only douchebags pop up their collars, so that should have been a clue to Finn and Rose right there.
Haha, good point! That’s foreshadowing at its finest.
When the Resistance guy tastes the ground on Crait and says, “Salt”, I just pictured a brief freeze frame and a ‘ding’ sound as a title card saying “Nic Olie, son of Ric Olie”, pops up.
Or maybe you just hear a ghostly “You catch on pretty quick.”
This isn’t something totally necessary, but I noticed two minor things that I thought could be easily fixed. Though I’m curious if anyone else noticed these, or thinks it even requires these additions.
When R2 is showing Luke the original hologram, Luke calls it a cheap move, then R2 turns to give Luke a look. It cuts back to Luke, who returns to watching the hologram, and it then cuts back to the hologram, which is in the same place as before, even though we didn’t see R2 turn his head back around. I think it would be nice if R2’s head motor-sound could be added during the Luke shot, implying R2 turned his head back around. Not at all necessary but I thought it’d be a nice touch.
A similar situation, when we are introduced to DJ, we first see him with his jacket collar popped up. In the next shot of him, though, it is popped down. Also not a big deal, but I thought one could add foley of folding leather or cloth in the inbetween shot of Finn & Rose to help with this.
I think at least adding the R2 sound would be simple enough, but then again maybe it would draw more attention to the continuity issues.
Found another YouTuber suggesting a spy subplot to the film to help improve it. Specifically, making Rose the spy.
While I don’t know if that idea would’ve worked or not, I do think it is interesting how multiple people have suggested that emphasizing at least the possibility of a spy would’ve helped improve the film.
That way, one of the key weaknesses of her character (“die” > return > die) is removed, but she gives Finn the stronger arc and his (one on-screen) killing of her is a part of his journey towards being able to commit to the Resistance. The change this’d require is her removal from the SKB scenes of TFA.
Thanks for describing what I was thinking, Eddie. While I think Hal should do what he wants, this was a part of my thought process for this suggestion as well.
I understand though that the original option may be necessary in order to remove BB-8’s ATST moment. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the movie, but would it be possible to cut away after Phasma falls to her death, and then we don’t come back to Finn & Rose until we see them crash land on Crait? Do we really need to see them find a ship and leave the Supremecy?
Also, Hal mentioned something about rotoscoping her out of necessary TLJ shots, but if you just remove her from the last act of TFA, you’d only need to cut most of her shots out, maybe take her out of 2~ shots, and make any necessary fixes to the viewscreen.
You could just imply they took out the guards (which you see lying dead at the entrance), Finn walks away from the control panel (implying he already did something to the computer) to ask Han something, then he turns back around and you cut to a shot of just the viewscreen to see that the shields are in fact going down. End of scene.
But that’s just how I have imagined it in my head.
I feel like once you have a pretty solid list of things you’ll need to edit/add vfx to for TLJ, it might be worth considering if it is worth the work, or if there other changes that might be better served that you could put the same time/resources into. It just seems like a lot of work, and there might be other changes in the film that might be more worth the trouble.
I dunno. If I were to vote on a side, I would say keep the fight. I know there are a lot of weird things about the scene, like why were Phasma and the other troopers across the room, how did they survive and most of the stormtroopers did, when did BB8 learn how to drive an ATST, etc etc, but I feel we were teased with this cool Phasma character and we should at least the one cool fight we got with her, and it isn’t that long honestly.
I would find it preferable to keep her in TLJ, and then roto her out of like two shots in TFA to make her not be the one to turn off the shields, so her arc is less of a mess. Phasma represented something to Finn in TFA, and defeating her as a rebel in TLJ serves his character I think.
My two cents, but it really isn’t a big issue compared to some other moments in the film. Like other vfx I think would be worth considering would be to have the Resistance jumping from system to system rather than go in a straight line, or having the First Order Canon firing as soon as Rose & Finn get out of the way. Just some thoughts though!
I feel like what you’re saying Hal, is that the motivation for cutting her out of the movie is more because since there are a lot of problematic things in her scenes, that it would probably just be easier to cut her out altogether.
If it’d be easier for you I think you should do it. But I kind of agree with Zachary VIII, you’d then have two movies without her doing anything. If it were me, I would rather cut her from the last act TFA to make her not be the one to lower the shields and “emasculate” her character. The idea that their scenes together in TLJ are their first confrontation since his defection feels more appropriate to me.
On another note, I’d be interested in how the execution of the Rose-saving-Finn Edit will look. During my second viewing, the quiet guy next to me during that scene put it bluntly, “That was dumb.”
Also, don’t know if you guys have had your baby yet, Hal, but congratulations if you have!
Yeah I totally get that. Big death lasers are such a cliche, especially nowadays. I guess I just pictured it being the more likely route during production in 83. But I think the new SSD having a ton of turrets would also look cool.
To play devil’s advocate, if the Empire figured out this super-laser technology, you would think that even if they first one was destroyed, it did work, so they wouldn’t completely abandon the technology, but make it more efficient. I pictured it just being powerful enough for the one-shot kills the DSII does in the battle. And like I said, it probably would be one of the options that requires the least amount of changing. Super-laser’s seem to be the Emperor’s style, after all.
I always felt cloaking was more Star Trek-y, but then again they did use it in The Clone Wars, and it operated the same way you described, having to deactivate the cloaking device to fire.
Regardless of my opinion, I think you should go forward with the turrets/cloaking device idea if you’re really into it, and maybe this suggestion could be an alternative if you decide it’s not working for you. Don’t know till you try!
And yeah! I was thinking of the Madine deleted scenes for that as well! I think the more rebels you kill onscreen, the more audience will feel the losses. So even if they succeed in their mention, they’ll feel the cost. Especially if they see the Rebel Fleet before and after the battle.
The Eclipse idea would actually be the easiest idea to implement. It would require the least amount of changes, and the briefing room dialogue would only need to be slightly altered (still would need to change the holograms though).
While the look of the Eclipse wouldn’t necessarily have to be how it looked in the EU, it actually could have a smaller Death Star laser like it did in the EU. Then Lando’s surprise at it firing would make even more sense. This kind of surprise would be easier to get across than the cloaking device, I think, and give more purpose to the Endor base by still having it be a shield generator. And it also feels like a natural progression of Imperial technology, with it being a fusion of the Death Star from Star Wars and the Super Star Destroyer from Empire Strikes Back.
I imagine it could’ve been a compromise of ideas between Lucas and Kurtz in another timeline.
And if it was under construction, you could still have Lando fly inside and blow up its main reactor. This version would allow you to maintain the max amount of footage, really.
I think taking inspiration from the Kuat Drive Yards would be pretty cool, but it would make for a bit of work. I would suggest going even simpler. One thing I would consider looking at is the design of the Fondor Shipyards from the 2017 Battlefront 2.
To me, though, the easiest thing would be to just have the Eclipse, but then have dozens of small specks around it that are meant to be parts and construction ships. Things look busy, underway. I think the only downside would be that you would have to invent a new way for the Executor to be destroyed. With some kind of space station, you could just have it crash into it like it did in the movie, but you might want to have it blow up differently anyway since people felt like it’s original destruction wasn’t satisfying.
And by not having them on the Eclipse instead of the Executor, you wouldn’t have to remove it from Luke’s view of the battle through the window. A small thing, but one less thing for you to do!
But by just having the Eclipse, all you would need is one good model (real or CG). It might be easier to find models of the Executor, and touch it up some to differentiate it. The level of detail might be important, because I would worry a CG model would stand out amongst all of the traditional model work.
And thinking more about it, I totally understand more why you don’t want the Rebels to outright “win”. I also went back and looked at more interviews with Kurtz, and he at one point described an ending with the “rebellion in tatters”. So maybe they accomplish their goal, but at a heavy cost.
One idea to emphasize this would be to have the Rebels leaders get killed. Madine, Mothma, maybe even Ackbar. It would only require you to insert shots of them before we see a ship blow up. Seeing these important people be killed would definitely get that point across. The death of the senior rebel leaders could also be good way to have Leia be left as the leader of the Rebellion. I know Kurtz said she would go off to become Queen of what’s left of her people, but not only would that be harder to get across to the audience, but at this point I think the rebels ARE her people, and despite all she has lost, she still wouldn’t abandon the cause if the war was not over. So I think this would be the most natural ending for her. Maybe you could have a shot of her, standing alone on the bridge of one of rebel ships.
Once they destroy the Eclipse, Leia and the surviving Rebels meet up with the few remaining ships of the fleet and jump to hyperspace. Luke, on the other hand, stays behind and lands back on Endor to have a funeral for his father.
All of the stuff with Hab Abbadon could just be abandoned. Even with Kurtz, maybe this concept still would’ve been left behind. In retrospect that would be WAY too much work and hard for it to look believable.
Sorry for another long post. It’s fun discussing this and brainstorming with you guys. Hope you guys are enjoying it as much as I am!
JEDIT: Another, simpler, option for the Executor could be to just modify the existing shots of the Executor with photoshop to differentiate it more.
I really like Rogue’s ideas. And in all honesty, a simple ending that is in your spirit with your edit would just be Luke burning Vader’s body. It’s very personal, bittersweet, and probably more emotional and fitting than an VO narration from Ackbar. That’s just me though.
That’s exactly what I was thinking too. The perfect place to end it.
I think this is a really cool “what-if” idea.
You will be the one putting all of the work into this and I think in the end you should do what makes you happy, but I also think it would be cool if you give yourself some guidelines to follow when making this edit. You are already doing it as far as trying to stick close to what Gary Kurtz described. Even though source material with his influence is limited since he left before pre-production began on “Revenge” of the Jedi, from my understanding, but you could also pull from the early drafts of the film as well. Descriptions can be found here.
Based off what I’ve read over the years, I might have some useful suggestions.
Endor originally was a resort moon that revolved around the Imperial capital. A remnant of this remains in the final film, when the Emperor refers to Endor as “the sanctuary moon”.
So, the plotlines around Endor and Had Abbadon could be in relatively the same place. I can’t remember the original mission, but the rebel mission could have two pretty solid options. Either the rebels could either want to liberate the capital or kill the Emperor, or both!
Maybe the shield generator surrounds the capital world, and they want to take it out in order to have a ground invasion. (I know there is some concept art of some small orb stations around the planet that were meant to be mini death stars, but maybe they could be implemented as security stations or something. The generator could even be powering the security orbs, but that would be a lot more work. To keep simple, I would stick with a planet-wide shield. While you don’t have to show the ground invasion, you could use shots of Coruscant from the prequels or the Special Edition ending.
You could either have the Emperor’s throne room be underneath the City planet like it was depicted in early concept art (which would be A LOT more work), or it could be on the SSD like others have suggested. While Luke could still be viewing the destruction of the fleet on a viewscreen underneath the planet, I think it would work best on the SSD, and it makes sense because the space battle would be taking place in between the city planet and the moon.
And like others have suggested, you could use the briefing scene to get this exposition across to the audience. This scene is probably one of the most crucial pieces to your edit. While dubbing General Madine is an option (but you might worry about having the lines match the mouth and having enough footage) you could possibly create some background plates of the briefing room shots and green screen in a new character to deliver whatever information you want. Maybe get rid of Mon Mothma and Madine if necessary. If you don’t think that’s possible, it might be more believable to redub Admiral Ackbar than Madine and have him deliver that info too. I would even have in the opening crawl that despite their losses at Hoth, the Rebellion has grown in the interim to make their assault on the capital more believable, and possibly add more ships to their fleet.
Another problem with these types of edits though is that the run times become incredibly short compared to the original version, so I would try to find a use for as much footage as possible. Maybe Lando could fly into the SSD to destroy it instead of the Death Star, for example. This way you could also use the Vader death scene in the hangar as everything is falling apart around them.
While you were thinking of having the Rebels be defeated, I would honestly have them win. This is the “final” film in one of greatest film franchises of all time, so I think the stakes should be at their highest and the ending be satisfying. Having the Rebels win, but Han die, Leia have her greatest loss at her greatest victory and Luke go off on his own is what I think Kurtz meant by bittersweet. Victory at a cost. Maybe you could get a shot of the Imperial Fleet scattering into hyperspace after the SSD is destroyed, implying the fight might not be over though.
And far as the ending goes, having the two plots physically close together would also make Luke burning Vader’s body on Endor make more sense. As far as Leia, maybe instead of making her Queen of “ashes”, she could be declared the leader of the New Republic on the capital city. Even though it isn’t exactly what Kurtz described, it definitely would be a natural progression of that idea, and fit in more nicely with the narrative. You could possibly rotoscope a quick shot of her in the senate chambers or in a more OT-inspired environment. Maybe she looks serious, sad even, because she has lost the love of her life but has this responsibility she has to deal with now.
I think you should kill off Han, because that’s what Kurtz wanted, but it would be cool if you made an alternate ending where he lives still.
Also, I like your idea about making Vader more against the Emperor, but how would you justify him protecting the Emperor in the throne room? I always assumed that maybe the Emperor has some kind of influence over the Imperial Fleet to keep them organized, and that killing him during the battle could send the fleet into disarray and give the Rebels the upper hand. Maybe that concept could be implemented somehow? Some new lines from Vader on Endor?
I also like the idea of not making Leia Luke’s sister. I feel like Kurtz didn’t like this either. The easiest way to do this is to cut any mention of Leia from Luke and Ben’s conversation, and when Luke reveals it to Leia. You honestly wouldn’t have to change anything else, and the ending could imply that Luke is going to go find his long lost sister and restart the Jedi with her. Pass on what he has learned. An Episode 7 for an alternate reality.
I’m so sorry for the long post, but I think this is a really great idea Snooker, and I just wanted to share my thoughts on it. I think the three big things to stick by are:
To use Kurtz’ interviews, early drafts and concept art as primary sources of inspiration.
Use as much of the original footage as possible to maintain a believable runtime.
The simplest solutions are probably the best solutions.
I think what could make this edit stand out is by sticking to a set of rules like these, because it’ll make it feel like a true “Revenge of the Jedi” almost from an alternate reality. But it’s your edit so you should do what you’ll enjoy the most. It’s a cool idea and I look forward to what all you end up doing!
Thanks for sharing Ridley! Ironic that they didn’t have Burtt work on the film but they used an old interview of him to open it up. Clearly being respectful, but I wonder why they didn’t have him work on this film at all.
I’ve been thinking about why the idea, that TLJ didn’t answer questions like “where does Snoke come from?” is important to me in the overall appreciation, or lack thereof of the ST to me, and possibly others. My answer is, that providing answers like that provides meaning both in the context of what came before, but perhaps even more importantly to the future final installment of the nine part saga.
While I don’t think explaining Snoke was really necessary for this film, I appreciate you writing your thoughts out on why it bothered you. I shortly felt the same way as you, and I think this is the main reason why a lot of people felt the same way.
I don’t know if Snoke will even be mentioned in IX, but if I were to speculate, I think the next animated series after Rebels will be set between 6 and 7, and Snoke will be one of things explored in that series.
I think down the road people could see it like they do The Clone Wars, which for a lot of people adds a lot more value to the prequels. Spending several seasons with the aging legacy characters and a young Ben Solo could add even more context and emotional resonance to the sequel trilogy.
You could totally argue that we shouldn’t have to get this seemingly important information for the films from a TV show, but I think that gets into a bigger debate on if certain information is really necessary or not in the main films. I don’t know honestly. For some, yes, for others, maybe not.
But as far as how Snoke came out of nowhere and undid the victory Han, Luke and Leia fought so hard for, the linchpin/scotch tape of the Original Trilogy victory, as you say, I think will be answered in the next animated series.
Then again, I could be completely wrong.
If this animated series never comes to fruition and you, or someone else, isn’t really satisfied with what was given, it would be interesting to see what could be done in a fan edit. Provide more context, or give him a new identity. There’s still a lot of mystery surrounding Snoke and the First Order, so honestly I would say just believe in your headcanon until a solid answer is introduced in the canon through a series or some novel.
You are touching on the issues I have with the First Order. IMO the First Order should’ve been portrayed as using deception, guerilla tactics, infiltration and so on, after all they only possess a fraction of the power the Empire possessed, and instead of being lead by a random Force-wielder (in this case Snoke) it should have been lead by a Council of former high-ranking Imperial leaders, both military and political, who have been forced to adapt to fight under their apparent weak state, with ties to New Republic senators who are subtly using their influence to provide them with intel and resources, and they have been slowly gaining a foothold by conquering seemingly unimportant worlds without drawing suspicion.
I also can understand your issues with the First Order. Honestly, this is another reason why I hope they do make a show set between 6-7. The Sequel Trilogy will be over by the time it’ll probably start, so there won’t be as much need for secrecy, and maybe we’ll get more details on how the First Order came to be.
While I agree that seeing them as more of antagonistic underdogs would’ve also been cool, it’s not what we got, so we have to look at what’s been presented and fill in the gaps. While I could speculate on how things might be closer to what you imagined than it appears, it’d probably be better to see what the conclusion of the trilogy (or a possible series) gives us.
I totally understand you guys. Just trying to give my optimistic thoughts on the matter.
Looks good Ridley. It’s surprising how much of a difference that makes.
krlozdac, I like your outline. I feel like the film really doesn’t need to be drastically restructured, just trimmed here and there to tighten it, like you said.
There’s really nothing I seriously disagree with, but I do wonder what could be done with the Leia scene. I don’t have a problem with it myself, but there does seem to be an execution issue because it didn’t seem to work for a lot of people. Honestly, I think it is the initial shot of her starting to “fly” that throws people off. I don’t know what can be done, but I’d rather not anything be changed if a good solution isn’t introduced, because I think just trimming it could throw off the music. But hey, might be worth experimenting with once it becomes available just to see.
Daxtreme, I think your hesistation regarding the droid fight is understandable. It might be weird interrupting Finn and Phasma’s fight with a more comedic droid fight, but I can also understand how adding it back in might make BB8’s ATST hijack feel less out of nowhere. I initially felt just removing the ATST gag might be better and not include the droid fight either, but I guess we should wait and see the deleted scene first.
On another note, a YouTuber, EC Henry, posted this video earlier regarding some people’s issues with the Holdo plot. He basically suggests, like others have, that if Holdo felt that there was a spy on board the Raddus, it would better justify her not wanting to openly discuss her plan. Henry suggests an addition of just one line from Holdo that could’ve helped with this, but obviously we can’t get Laura Dern to record a new line. I wonder if there would be another way to accomplish this if people felt the idea could be useful. Here’s the video link:
Alternatively, I thought maybe Poe and Holdo’s interactions could be trimmed to have Poe interrupt her once or twice, maybe giving the idea that Holdo might have done more to make Poe understand, but his impatience got in the way of that. This might be most useful in the scene where Poe knocks the chair over.
Dom, love your use of OT John Williams music. I know the biggest concern with some people is that they can’t detach those OT moments with the accompanying music, so it might be a good opportunity to use some unused tracks from the original trilogy.
I know aalenfae used an unused track from ANH to replace Duel of the Fates during Anakin’s search for his mother in AOTC.
Another user (can’t remember who exactly) posted a thread where he inserted the unused music from Vader and Luke’s duel from ESB into Yoda’s arrival at the arena in AOTC (without sound fx).
I’m not sure if you used the original music for the Sail Barge Assault or not, but I know there is also an alternate unused version on the soundtrack that might be worth looking at. I’m sure you’ve already put a lot of thought into it though!
I get why some people might not like it, but a lot of these scenes are reusing music anyway, so why not reuse OT music?
Anyway, I really like what you’ve done so far and I appreciate the rules you’ve given your edit to give the films a sense of consistency.
Good ideas. It’ll probably help to go back through it after the home release and see what’s available/possible. As much as I like the idea I worry about it being too vague/confusing to others.
I actually like that idea, but there are still some logical hoops you might need to jump through. Not only might you need to establish Holdo knowing about the device, but also where on the Supremecy the device was located, otherwise it seems like a very big coincidence.
I kind of think it would be simpler to infer that the entire ship has some kind of “hyper-field mumbo jumbo” charge generated as a result by the device. But maybe the hologram would imply they have some kind of schematics of the Supremecy?
I was skimming through the Last Jedi spoiler discussion thread and I stumbled across your speculation regarding a correlation between Holdo’s hyperspace kamikaze and the hyperspace tracking device in the Supremecy. I’ll post those thoughts here for context.
The way I understand hyperspace working is that it’s a dimension weakly coupled to normal space, so that ships traveling through hyperspace would still need to ‘avoid’ masses but a crash would primarily affect the object in hyperspace. Under this theory, any ship going to Hyperspace would damage that ship far more than the target.
But what if the hyperspace tracking technology used by the Supremacy means that the ship is always partially in Hyperspace? After all, some part of the ship would need to interact with this dimension at all times for it to work. Under this theory, the First Order is undone by its own technology and hubris rather than an overpowered exploit of the ill-defined rules of the universe.
The idea is that the Supremacy’s hyperspace tracking device acts as a static hyperdrive itself when active. It’s static in that the Supremacy enters hyperspace with this device but doesn’t move, allowing it to use its sensors to find other ships in hyperspace.
I’m thinking of it like a periscope on a submarine - part of the sub must leave the water for it to work. To continue the analogy - if a speedboat were to hit the periscope, it would damage the sub, whereas if there were no periscope the boat would pass overhead with little disturbance.
I really love this hypothesis. While I don’t really have a problem with the questions it has raised with the fan base myself, I think this explanation could really alleviate those questions nicely. It’d be interesting if this could be the implied explanation in a fan edit, but I do think it still requires some assumptions though. Was Holdo aware of the hyperspace tracker on the Supremecy by that point, and if she was, how did she know how it works and that ramming it in hyperspace would actually have that effect?
While you could handwave it and say she learned about it off screen, it’d be nice if it was at least implied in the film through editing that she knew. You could also imply some connection to Holdo’s hyperspace jump and the tracking device by cutting back to the device right before she jumps, or have it quickly explode in a white burst of light when she does jump. Not sure how it could work, just spitballing. Though I do think those two things, Holdo’s awareness of the device and a stronger correlation between the hyperspace jump and the hyperspace device, are important.
The more I think about the Last Jedi, the less I feel needs to be changed, but I think this might be interesting just to try and play with. Any thoughts on this?
I just realized that the (non-) reveal of Rey’s parents begs for more edits to TFA. The one that sticks out to me is Rey and BB-8’s exchange:
“Classified? Me too, big secret.”
Yeah, that line is insulting now. I’m sure other “hints” need to be cut back now too, I’d have to rewatch TFA again though.
I completely agree with you. You could argue that she was being sarcastic, though. But it might come off as more confusing now than sarcastic for some.
Is it feasable to do so while keeping the child of the Force of the ending ?
[Regarding removing the Fathier chase from the Canto Bight plotline].
I’ve thought about this as well. If you notice, the kids at the end are telling a story about Luke rather than the Resistance, so if kept the earlier scene where Finn sees the kids on the field, and cut the close up of the kid wearing the ring at the end, I think the scene would still work. It might make Rose & Finn’s plot feel more useless, though, now that they didn’t even spark some hope within the kids.
I don’t think completely removing the Canto Bight stuff is the right answer. Removing the Fathier chase and trimming it here and there is the most I think could be done without it feeling confusing, but I think I would need to see the concept tested to see if that would even be worth it.