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#1280821
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Star Wars: Remastered - A New Special Edition
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emanswfan said:

ForceGhostRecon said:

I’ve edited/cleaned up Scene 38 for anyone interested:

https://vimeo.com/335231783

That’s a hell of a lot better. Just needs some color grading adjustments to both the new and original footage, to get it to fit together and up to standard. That blu-ray footage looks god-awful, I wish the original guy had at least regraded it.

Still, I think if it were to be put into the the actual film, I would still tone down the over the top elements of the new footage.

You’re making me think some of this might be useful for an edit after all.

It is a pretty cool fan film, but I don’t think this could be seamless at all with the existing footage. Maybe two or three shots (Obi raising his saber to his face, the quick Obi spin, Vader killing Obi), but it still would stand out like a sore thumb imo.

At least for this Remastered edit, I think at most he could modify the existing footage. Maybe he could add blue/red saber glows to the duel, more cuts on the walls, maybe the nearby damaged lights could flicker off to make it look a little more dramatic, maybe he could add the saber reflection in Vader’s eyes when he says “You should not have come back”.

If the intention is to make some dated parts of the film be more appealing to a modern audience, those might be ideas that could be implemented without just totally replacing big chunks of original footage.

While Petro is replacing original ship special effects with new visual effects, I think it still works because there is a clear separation between space and non-space shots.

But he may want to use that, or he’s mainly focusing on just the ships/lasers and stuff.

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#1280342
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Lucasfilm's movie plans post Ep. IX
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OutboundFlight said:

Concerning Lucasfilm- I am annoyed they are stuck to Star Wars. I know this is an unpopular opinion for a star wars site… but George Lucas created his two big franchises from nothing. Why does his company have to stick to just Star Wars? Why not make a new franchise and market it as the “third Lucasfilm property” alongside SW and Indy?

I agree with this! I mean I’m all for more Star Wars and Indy, but why not play around with some brand new potential IPs? Something fantasy, like a new Willow? A pirate film based off the Monkey Island games? Or something totally new.

I think a motto Lucasfilm could stick to would be the reason why Lucas wanted to make movies like Indy or Star Wars in the first place. They were inspired by the kind of stories he had growing up that he felt kids in the 70s-80s needed. There are so many types of movies now, but maybe Lucasfilm could try to fill a creative void for something we’re craving that we don’t even realize yet.

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#1280341
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Nev, I like the ending shots! Good idea to use that extra shot to make it fit with the music. Totally dig it.

I wonder if there are some effects you could add to the “dream shots” that wouldn’t be over the top. Throwing out ideas, what if you played with the stuttering frame effect of the Dagobah cave, or the wispy vignette of Anakin’s ROTS dreams?

So in a hypothetical TLJ edit for you, you might have Rey reach the Jedi Village, then she’d hear the hut door slam maybe? Having Rey dream of an idealized Luke at the end of TFA, but then our first real intro to Luke is him holding himself up in his hut like a hermit, you’d still be getting that subversion Rian wanted without being beholden to how JJ ended TFA.

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#1280265
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Yeah, JJ was pretty up front about meeting with George. Now, it was probably just one meeting, but probably enough to discuss the script and George’s general idea of what themes he thinks are important to close out the trilogy. I picture something like one of those discussions Lucas would have with Filoni and the Clone Wars writing team.

Obviously George had discussions with JJ and Kathy on TFA. At least the first few months of pre-production when he was somewhat involved with the Visualization stage, and then overtime the film became a little more nostalgic as production continued, which George didn’t like. But certain ideas of his were carried over.

In the TLJ doc, we hear that George met with Rian during the pre-production phase of the movie, but there’s no telling how much was discussed and how much of their meeting was actually about the movie itself.

All the filmmakers have definitely talked to Lucas though. It’s a pipe dream but I would really like to get ‘Making Of’ books down the road so we can learn the deets on the trilogy’s development.

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#1280219
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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That is a serendipitous coincidence that the dream could fit there. I do think this version is pretty vague to work as-is. I think people might be confused and not immediately realize it is a dream.

It’s a challenge. To play devil’s advocate (like I have been doing to you a lot lately! Sorry if it is becoming annoying!), I think the more that is added, the more you’re spacing out the climax from the end of the film, and I think ending would work better if we were moving more briskly from Starkiller blowing up, to the Resistance Base, to the ending. On the other hand, it might work for your version though since you’re cutting the Jedi Steps (at least physically).

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#1280008
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars finds
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NeverarGreat said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5b0cxF8HOE

Love this channel, and this video in particular. I’m sure some fanedits could use these models to great effect.

I love EC Henry. Such a genuine guy who is clearly passionate about the content he shares with his channel. This particular video is great, I agree. I feel like those particular models could be used to either to replace the blurry models in some kind of remastered edition, or potentially to supplement the fleet’s size in certain ROTJ shots maybe.

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#1279991
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Star Wars Books continued ?
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At first I thought the Resistance Reborn novel was going to be a young adult novel, but it actually listed as an adult novel. Which makes me think the content will be a little more substantial.

The comic run about Leia trying to recruit Mon Calamari to the Resistance sounds pretty interesting too. If you’re a Mon Calamari fan, you should definitely get into the comics. There was an arc in the Darth Vader comic about the Empire attacking Mon Calamari right after the end of the Clone Wars, then in the Star Wars run there was an arc about the planet joining the rebellion shortly after a New Hope. So those two arcs, plus this new arc, we’ll have three glimpses of Mon Calamari during each trilogy, and how this one planet played a major role in the power dynamics of the galaxy.

I hope overtime we’ll get plenty of content that takes places in this new time period. I want to spend time here, where we can see how Kylo Ren rules as Supreme Leader, fighting a resistance movement led by his own mother.

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#1279846
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

https://youtu.be/fmm9_lBEnOk

I normally don’t watch SW animated shorts, but i read about this one on another forum. Published yesterday. Lapti Nek! (And, I think, a representation of the reasonably sized palace door from the OUT Jedi.

Holy crap, the way it zooms in on 3PO at the end. That actually made me laugh! I really like these little shorts, and Jabba was genuinely creepy in it too.

Which version of Lapti Nek is that?

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#1279512
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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This is cool! I’m digging the nighttime matte you’ve made.

What you’ve done so far is impressive work, although I’m still not 100% sold on the Rey/BB-8 stuff, but it could be my own bias. Unrelated to the vfx work so far, I guess it doesn’t feel totally like it actually fits in with the movie yet. Like it isn’t completely seamless logically.

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#1279511
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Star Wars: Remastered - A New Special Edition
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That shot definitely has a modernized vibe without sacrificing the practical effects! Pretty cool!

How would say your Remastered will differ from Adywan’s Revisited? Just different personal interpretations? I know you mentioned earlier that you don’t want to change that much, but you will be updating the special effects. I guess I’m curious in more of the changes/ideas you have for your edit.

Anyway, really liking the look!

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#1279504
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Going back to IX, I had some other thoughts regarding Snoke’s function in the ST.

All of the speculation surrounding the Palpatine has made people wonder if Snoke was a servant, vessel, or rival to him.

Looking back at some early concept art from the TFA book, you can see three antagonists appear pretty early in the book: Jedi Killer, Uber, and another character that appears to be Darth Talon.

George was a big fan of Talon when she appeared in the Legacy comic series, and he wanted LucasArts to somehow shoehorn her into a Darth Maul that was subsequently cancelled during the Disney acquisition. In the Art of book, there are four storyboard panels titled “The Seduction”. The first panel shows a young Jedi saving a female twilek from cantina thugs, the second shows them walking together, the third they are sharing a bed after having slept together, and the fourth shows the twilek standing in the threshold of the bedroom while the Jedi appears to be under some kind of duress (possibly Force-induced).

I had assumed Talon was just an early version of the Jedi Killer, but I’ve also been wondering if that Jedi is actually the Son of Solo, and this is how he became evil. He was literally seduced by the dark side. Art of Talon appears a few times in the book.

There is another image of Darth Talon standing in front of a dark, ethereal creature who we can assume is Uber. The piece is titled “Darth Talon, Dark Side of the Force”. The description McCaig gives is, “The tattoos [of Talon] are a lot simpler. They follow a rhythm and they flow. And that’s the evil thing puppeteering her from behind.”

I’ve just always assumed this Talon was cut from the story and the Uber character ended up becoming Snoke, and I think that’s partly true. But, do you think if Palpatine returning was in fact intended from the beginning as Kennedy suggests, is it possible this ethereal Uber “puppetmaster” character was actually disembodied Palpatine, and Snoke served Darth Talon’s function as the “seducer”?

Snoke clearly played a big role in Ben’s fall to the dark side, but instead of literally seducing him, he became much more like a Palpatine type of manipulator. I believe I read somewhere that Snoke was at one point considered to be a female character, so maybe this is what they meant by that.

If Snoke was truly intended to never be the big bad, it would also explain why pulled imagery from the Wizard of Oz, a larger than life hologram in TFA, the Man Behind the Curtain symbolism with the red curtains burning down after Snoke’s death.

This is all wild speculation and obviously things change so much over the course of story development that trying to connect the dots is like playing pin the tail on the donkey, but it is fun to think about. If Sidious is back and not just a haunt or hologram, I’m still not sure if Snoke was knowingly serving him, or was a vessel for his spirit, or something else. I still believe it is the simplest answer: Snoke was his own guy, and if Palpatine is manipulating Kylo Ren, he merely positioned him to become his apprentice and eliminate this rival before he came back physically. (Snoke is just another rival, like Mother Talzin in the Clone Wars)

I’m still a little nervous about how they pull this off because resorting to another Big Evil Guy was not what I was originally hoping for. But it could work.

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#1279495
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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And from what I understood they only had concept art for Grievous to go off of, so they had to invent his personality on their own.

But to be fair, I understand why George wanted to make this General character a mustache-twirling villain that runs away and gets beat over and over. It fits into that villain archetype of old serials. I don’t think people would have been as disappointed if Grievous had just been set up that way in the micro-series as well.

Growing up I always rationalized the characterization difference as Grievous being pretty powerful right after his transformation, but slowly became weaker as his remaining organics struggled to exist within his cyborg body.

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#1279470
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Star Wars flaws (a to do list for fan edits)
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You should hop over the Prequel Radical Redux Ideas thread, Pan! I know versions of your idea have been suggested before.

Basically, the Clones aren’t a mystery, and Obi-Wan just goes to inspect them in AOTC instead of just discovering them.

You would have to change a few things, since Padmé was voting against the creation of a Grand Army of the Republic. But if the army is already being created, you would need to make it where she is trying to do something else. Maybe she is just a leading voice in trying to find a diplomatic solution to the Republic/Seperatist arms race?

You also would have to figure out what Obi-Wan will do for the majority of AOTC, since you would have to rework the mystery plot.

Maybe the general structure of the film could remain the same, but alter the Kamino scenes so the Clone army isn’t a mystery to him. Basically, the death of Zam/the saber dart could lead him to Kamino, where he finds out that the bounty hunter he is after is actually the template for the Clone Army. Maybe the connection between the Clone Army, Jango and Dooku would be less suspicious since the Clone Army isn’t a secret.

I’d definitely suggest continuing this conversation to the Prequel Radical Redux Ideas thread. https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Prequel-Radical-Redux-Ideas-Thread/id/9911/page/1

There are general idea threads for all three trilogies, but maybe we should make a general Skywalker Saga Ideas thread too!

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#1279465
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Yeah, I think Filoni was initially reluctant to bring Maul back, but it came from George.

I also am not sure if George wanted the Jedi Killer to copy his look from Vader, but it does seem like the Jedi Killer was meant to be the son of Han and Leia (which was revealed to the Visualists in Summer of 2013). It is possible though that was a Michael Ardnt idea. But the Jedi Killer being the grandson of Darth Vader at least rationalized the character’s desire to emulate Vader, even in appearance.

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#1279460
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Here is a part of the interview with the Dark Empire author.

TOM: Our original proposal was to bring back Darth Vader’s costume and mask, with somebody else inside it. We felt the Empire would want to maintain the fearsome image of Vader and wouldn’t much care who was wearing the armor and breathing mask. George vetoed that idea (although he did allow us to have Vader appear in dreams and memories). He said, no, you can’t bring back the Vader costume…but if you can figure out how to bring back the Emperor, that’s o.k.

The obvious way to bring back the Emperor was with cloning, which George immediately approved.

Now, Zahn has said in an interview that bringing back the Emperor goes against the story of Return of the Jedi, where we see the Emperor destroyed by Darth Vader. But Zahn misses something essential about that scene: When the Emperor dares Luke to “strike me down”, he seems utterly indifferent to his own death! He feels that whatever the outcome of this confrontation with Luke, he, Palpatine, will conquer.

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/08/interview-with-dark-empire-writer-tom.html?m=1

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#1279455
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

Grievous figure, i.e. the new charismatic vilain

We just going to ignore this?

Oh yeah sorry, I wrote it in French: I meant to write “villain”, with two “l”. “Vilain” is the French spelling.

I think he meant how you referred to Grievous as a compelling villain!

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#1279452
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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TiddySprinklesPimpBillion said:

Episode IX = Dark Empire XV.

That’s sorta the reason this makes me think George had some part in this idea. Originally when Tom Veitch was writing Dark Empire, the antagonist was going to be someone impersonating Vader. George came in, though, and suggested making it Palpatine reborn.

I do agree with Hal and some others in that I do feel bringing back Palpatine could take away from Vader’s sacrifice in ROTJ if not handled properly, but what is ironic is that the idea of Palpatine coming back from apparent death is a Lucas idea. Not saying that makes it a good or bad idea, but it is interesting. The idea, when taken at face-value, seems to undermine the narrative, but the idea has come from the creator himself, and isn’t an element of fan-fiction.

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#1279247
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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You’re right. It is his Episode I: Return of the Sith edit. I’m sure it isn’t the only one either. So unless there were any issues with that edit that probably proves that it could work.

Another thing this reminds me of, I think if/when I eventually do edits of the saga films, something I would really like to try and do is keep the runtime at 2 hours. A lot of prequels edits sit at 90 minutes or even less, and I’m sure there better films for it, but I guess I don’t want them to feel too short.

I guess that just might be a rule I want to follow, so it inevitably will force me to cut only the most egregious things. So at least my case I may have to keep those scenes in order to remove other bits and pieces to maintain a 2-hour runtime. Unless I kept the bulk of those scenes and somehow swapped out Sidious with Maul.

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#1279215
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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TK42-WAN said:

This above is more or less how I intend to represent Dooku in my edit (though he won’t be a Sith). He’s aware of Palpatine, and his machinations, obviously certain things will have to be inferred due to the material available. I thought by adding Dooku to the Senate scene in TPM it draws a link between him and Palpatine, and the fact that he turns and walks away will show his disillusionment with the Senate.

He would be wielding a blue sabre in my edit.

Yeah, that is cool. This has been a common idea and luckily it doesn’t require major changes (cutting some lines, a scene, and changing Dooku’s saber color). This totally works for a radical edit, but it does contradict any non-film material, like the Clone Wars show. I guess I’m trying to figure out a way to maintain some of that added depth, but not blatantly contradict other material.

If there was a way one could add a line for Dooku about having joined the Dark Lord or something along those lines, but still keep him saying “we can destroy the Sith”, might help get that idea across. I think even deleting/altering Dooku’s lines about the Viceroy coming to him for help could help with this idea a little. If anyone has any ideas regarding line alterations or other usable Christopher Lee lines that could help, I’d appreciate the input!

On another note, I always felt Obi-Wan should be wielding Qui-Gon’s green blade at the start of Attack of the Clones.

This would be a cool idea too. Anakin and Obi’s Episode 2 sabers really could be any color since they end up losing both of them by the end of the movie.

Alternatively, I’ve always liked the idea that Luke uses Qui-Gon’s saber that Obi-Wan kept to build his green lightsaber. You could imply this by changing the ignition sound of Qui-Gon’s saber in TPM to the sound Luke’s makes in ROTJ.
If one were to also reinsert the scene of Luke building his saber in ROTJ, maybe someone could insert a brand new shot of Qui-Gon’s dismantled saber on the ground.

Another idea I wanted to discuss, and I believe this has been done in some edits before, is the idea of removing all of the Darth Sidious scenes in The Phantom Menace. I think there are some pros to this idea. One, it keeps the Sith more mysterious, because the only Sith we’ll ever see is Darth Maul. It allows the question Mace poses at the end, “But which was destroyed? The master, or the apprentice?”

It also allows Dooku’s exposition to Obi-Wan in AOTC be a little more revealing since that information wouldn’t be as obvious in TPM. At that point we wouldn’t know if Dooku was lying or if he was the “master” during the events of TPM. Then at the end of AOTC, the persona of Darth Sidious appears on screen for the first time and we realize Dooku was telling the truth.

It also would parallel A New Hope, since the Emperor is mentioned but never seen. In this version of TPM, we may hear reference to a Sith Master and feel his influence, but we would never see the Sidious persona.

Obviously there would be some cons, but I’m wondering if people think the film would be worse off without those scenes.
Do you think we would lose context that would make the film more confusing? I just think it would be interesting if we knew just about as much as our protagonists know.

If necessary, you could replace Sidious in some of those scenes with Darth Maul, and either add new VO or use existing dialogue from the film or of Sam Witwer voicing Maul. This would be a lot more work, but you would be giving Maul more to do in the film, though.

What do you guys think?

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#1279125
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The Original Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I think the unfortunate thing about the deleted scenes is how their quality doesn’t really match the rest of the film. I think it would be cool to insert it to see if it would work logically, but I think it could only be seamless if you made the whole edit appear lower quality, like grindhouse, VHS or just standard definition.

And maybe you could add some com chatter during Falcon interiors of a rebel commando updating Lando on the ground battle.