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#1254831
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Wedge Antilles, 'Col Takbright' and Deepfakes
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pushes up nerd glasses
Actually, according to the CRC dating system in the new Scum and Villainy book that recently came out, A New Hope takes place in the year 7977 CRC, and TFA/TLJ in 8011 CRC, which would match up with our own year of 2011. If Kylo Ren turned, at the earliest, six years before TFA, since the novel Bloodline takes place then and doesn’t suggest that Ben had turned yet, that would match up to around the year 2005. So really Flashback Luke should look more like 2005 Mark Hamill rather than 1994 Mark Hamill.

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#1254826
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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Have already seen some interesting thoughts online.

Many speculating if Alan Tudyk will appear as K2-SO, or if we will see other prominent figures of the Rebellion, like Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma, Smits as Bail Organa, a young Princess Leia?

One person speculated that the show could be called Fulcrum, since Cassian used to be Fulcrum before (or after?) Ashoka Tano and Agent Kallus eventually adopted the role. It also leads me to wonder if this could possibly mean we could see a live-action Ashoka or Hera Syndulla at the least. I doubt we’ll see Ahsoka but there’s a lot of possibilities.

I’m also seeing a few people wish we were getting more Jedi/Sith related stuff exploring new territory, and all I can say to that is that you just have to be patient. I think they are working on exactly that kind of content with the future movies, but they’re not ready to talk about it yet, and they probably don’t want to step on those filmmakers’ toes with any concurrent projects regarding the Jedi/Sith just yet. But once the Old Republic ball gets rolling and they’re more comfortable with that part of history, they will start exploring it more in movies, tv series, games, etc.

For those of you who want to see that kind of stuff, I think this will be an interesting series to get into in the meantime. This also to me seems like it’ll be the closest thing to Lucas’ Underworld series will probably get, since it is set during the Dark Times. I’m also curious if these series will be a one-season kind of thing or be open-ended with the potential for multiple seasons. The latter is probably the most likely scenario.

What is a little surprising to me is how the announcement didn’t really mention any showrunners. Typically the movies/shows are tied to the lead director or producer: Abrams, Johnson, Filoni, Favreau, Benioff & Weiss. Surprised no creative lead was mentioned, which makes me wonder whose idea this was in the first place (maybe Kennedy?) and if they have even found a showrunner yet.

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#1254823
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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Just announced. Wasn’t expecting this at all!

The rousing spy thriller will explore tales filled with espionage and daring missions to restore hope to a galaxy in the grip of a ruthless Empire. A release date for the series has not yet been announced.

www.starwars.com/news/cassian-andor-live-action-series-announced - 2018 article

Cassian Andor Live-Action Series Announced! | The Star Wars Show’ at the (official Star Wars youtube channel)

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#1253294
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Just wanted to share some predictions I have for Episode IX. I know many others have shared the same/similar ideas already.

Ben Solo will be redeemed, and him and Rey will end up in a relationship, or at the very least a heavily implied relationship.

There will be some kind of emphasis on how Rey will make sure the new Jedi will be different than the old. We will see all of this talk of balance in action.

Finn will play a crucial part in liberating the First Order’s Stormtrooper army, and in a larger view be instrumental in the reunification of the First Order and the Resistance into a new government, which are technically both descended from the Old Republic.

Ben Solo will have some kind of reunion with Leia, even if it is just at the end of the movie.

I know these are pretty general predictions, so I’ll make one bold one.

I have a strong feeling that the title of the film will be Star Wars: Balance of the Force.

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#1253286
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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Hmm, I think this is a good compromise. Because narratively, it is a good character choice to have Kylo reveal reveal his face to Rey, and I don’t think it is really worth losing for just saving the reveal. While we don’t really get a good look at him here, Rey does at least so it maintains that relationship building technically, while still saving a clearer reveal for the Solo confrontation.

EDIT: Also meant to say I did like your village edit too. While I don’t personally mind Poe’s dialogue, since I think it endeared him to the audience immediately, it is a really cool idea displaying Kylo’s mind reading abilities early on in that way. I kinda think Poe shooting Kylo feels a little quick, maybe I’m just used to it, but I get the logic of him trying to go for the kill when he has the chance. I think music-wise I don’t like losing some of the strings immediately when Kylo freezes the laser, which is now overpowered by the fading trumpets. And like I have mentioned on Hal’s TFA thread before, I think it would be nice if you could crop the shot where Kylo pauses right before killing Lor San Tekka, since it seems like his saber is on even before we hear it activate.

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#1252025
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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I like the second one better. I get what you were going for, but I don’t think anyone would really pick all of that up just by the extra subtitles.

I also would keep Teedo saying something like “It belongs to me!”
Because Rey saying “It belongs to itself!” doesn’t work as well without that previous line.

Either a variation of either version, or, “I found it first! It belongs to me!” Maybe Teedo initially thinks Rey wants the droid for herself.

It is a nice little extra moment, and people might pick up on the “you will” mind trick phrase, but I think that is as far as it should go. It could add another layer to Rey, but it doesn’t bend over backwards to try and establish something either. I don’t know it if it is really necessary but it is an interesting addition.

A random thought I’ve been having, but what if you made Ello Atsy, the Abednedo Resistance pilot that dies in the Starkiller battle, the same Abednedo in TLJ and just don’t have him die in TFA? It would give the film a nice additional character that carries over to the next film, like Billie Lourd’s character Connix.

You could just change his English dialogue with alien dialogue (which you might could get from Battlefront 2, since it does feature Abednedo voice lines in an alien language), and cut the shot of him dying. I would also trim the “trench run” as much as possible too, since it is really an uneccessary visual callback. Maybe just show Poe fly into the trench, a brief moment of him flying down it, then him closing is S-foils and flying into the Oscillator.

Anyway, glad you’re able to work on stuff again!

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#1251672
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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Damn, nice job. Did you take that part of Rey from the other shot. If you do go back and add the footsteps I probably would add the rolling sound of BB-8 entering the room as well since he is suddenly there as well.

It’s funny your brother said that, because at first I thought it was weird that it went from the shot of Han passing BB-8 to Han already next to Chewie and I wondered if that was a new cut, but that’s how it is in the theatrical version as well!

And yeah, at the very least I would reinsert Finn breaking eye contact if you could. It’s a subtle clue to Han that he’s lying about something, which at the very least is enough to explain what Han says to Finn later on.

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#1251503
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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To be honest, I don’t think either of these work. It is just weird for Rey to suddenly be there. Maybe the least you could do is add footsteps before we hear her talk. But honestly I’m beginning to question if trimming this moment is really necessary. Yes I agree with your logic that you want to cut out things that serve no purpose besides being a callback, but going back and watching this scene makes me feel like it does serve some character-building purpose. I think Finn, trying to be ‘cool’ and then just being clumsy/awkward helps Han see that this boy is obviously not a Resistance soldier. I think Han probably was a little suspicious, but when Finn broke eye contact with Han, it basically confirmed it. Which I think is a better character-oriented reason than Han noticing his “Stormtrooper shoes” that the one deleted scene provides.

Have you tried just trimming the few shots that seem to just sit on the hologram? Maybe that would be a good compromise, because I do agree that it might stay on the holograms for just a tad too long, but still feel like the moment does hold some value.

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#1250018
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Huh, I don’t think I ever noticed that before. Nice work! Though I wonder if something like a ship flying by or some of the poles could be retained so it wouldn’t feel completely empty. To me it risks feeling like a set with nothing behind of everything is completely removed. Might be wrong though.

Also think it would be interesting to see this scene with a sunset-look to it, especially since their shadows are already getting long.

And not necessarily related, but I think it would be interesting if this were the last scene of Destroy All Jedi.

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#1250008
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I have seen that video before and it is pretty funny! It is an interesting “what-if” that highlights some of Lynch’s signature elements, but I think if he had actually made Return/Revenge of the Jedi, it would have been more comparable to Dune than anything else. I don’t know if it would have been much different than what we got, besides being more serious and a little creepier maybe. Though I think there was only a 5% chance of that ever happening.

I may have mentioned this before, but something I think would be cool to see in an eventual Revenge of the Jedi edit, sort of like Snooker’s project, would be for Luke and Vader to swap lightsabers like the ‘Revenge’ original poster portrays.

While I believe this was a mistake by the artist, I think that image really sparks one’s imagination, and I can imagine how it could happen. After Luke falls off the catwalk, you could insert somewhere (maybe it is the first shot we see when the next time we return to the Throne room) the shot of Vader holding Luke’s lightsaber earlier in the film, to show that Vader has picked up Luke’s saber. Then when Vader triggers Luke, Luke gets Vader’s saber and uses it against him. It could help sell the idea of Luke being on the edge of turning to the dark side, and Vader using a green/blue saber could foreshadow him turning back to the light a few moments later.

You could keep it green like it is in the final film, but it would also be cool to see Luke with a blue saber since it originally was suppose to be blue.

I could definitely see that as a moment that kids would have flipped out over back in the day. Just a fun what-if.

EDIT: You would also have to replace the saber hilts in a few shots, but it probably wouldn’t be noticeable for the wider shots.

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#1249628
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Lucasfilm gives Cease and Desist to stop production of fan remaster of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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The thing about this is that a copyright holder has to defend their copyright in most situations like this, otherwise they are setting a precedent that makes it more challenging for them to protect their IP in future cases, cases where a third party might eventually try to profit off of it. So while I’m sure people at Lucasfilm thought it was cool, they have take legal action.

I also don’t think this is a sign that there is another KOTOR game currently in the works. It just got big enough where they had to take legal action.

This isn’t a malicious move, or a “Disney hates the fans!” kind of situation that clickbaity YouTubers might try to preach. They just have to protect their IP, plain and simple. Even though it might be totally innocent, future situations might not be so and can take advantage of any leniency.

But I do agree with the frustration with EA holding the rights to Star Wars games for however many years, and after the lootbox fiasco I think that Disney (and I am pretty sure it was Disney’s decision and not Lucasfilm’s) is kicking themselves for making such a deal, but I feel they will try to get out of it as soon as they can.

In my opinion, I think situations like this, and the Battlefront 3 remake however long ago, can be prevented while still giving us more Star Wars games.
If I were wanting to make a Star Wars game, I would design and market it as an original title, while also working on a Star Wars “mod” for the game in an indirect way. Once the game is released, release the Star Wars mod sometime after. The problem is that they market these projects as unofficial Star Wars games, and doing so is what causes these Cease and Desist letters to happen, causing all of their owrk to go down the drain.

So either publicly making these projects original games and then later indirectly releasing a Star Wars overhaul mod for it, or focusing efforts to make Star Wars overhaul mods for existing games or making Remaster Mods for existing Star Wars games but not making a big deal out of it until after it is released are the best ways to avoid situations like this. I understand they had to go about it this way to achieve what they were trying to do, but marketing it so hard the way they did led to its downfall. Now the best thing they can do is just make an original game so their work/experience won’t completely go to waste.

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#1249616
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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For those of you playing with the colors of the prequel films, I stumbled across this video comparing Attack of the Clones with various pieces of its concept art, and what stands out to me is while the framing is occasionally almost identical to various concept pieces, the colors in the art pop so much more than the colors do in the final film, especially when compared side-by-side like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlEdb9YSL1I

A few things I noticed, in the art, the earlier Coruscant scenes seem a lot bluer, the Coruscant night scenes seem to have a lot more contrast, and Geonosis really leans into the orange-red color. The the way the concept art uses colors seems a lot more visually appealing to me. I know a lot might have to do with lighting as well, and it seems recent posts are going in the opposite direction with the colors. Maybe having more color makes it feels less real and more cartoony, but I would be interested to see attempts at going in the opposite direction with the colors and try to make them pop more.

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#1249607
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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Thought that was pretty funny at first but that actually might not be a bad idea, since we now know the Revisited Saga will now only consist of the OT.

Or, just make a new thread, which probably would make more sense since there are other threads related to the Revisited projects. The original function of this thread, based on the title, is really not necessary anymore.

This did make me go back and read the first few pages of this thread, and it was interesting to read the discussion revolving around changing the PT to fit the OT so much that you would keep Anakin=Vader a secret so the twist could work in ESB.

I personally agreed with Dom’s point that the purpose of the prequels was to see how Anakin became Darth Vader, so removing that aspect wouldn’t really work. And if you were to show the films to a first-timer, you would be better off to just show them the films in release order, or the Machete Order. I also think darthrush’s idea of slightly altering ROTS to work as a standalone prequel that could be placed in between ESB and ROTJ would be interesting to see as well.

I am still curious to see what Ady’s plans/ideas were to make this concept work, because if anyone could figure it out it would be Ady. I just know it would have been challenging to pull off. I can definitely understand the desire to do so, since it makes sense that first-time viewers should be able to watch these films chronologically. But I do think the way the films are now, and how this is a conversation that fans will probably have for years to come, is partly what makes this franchise so special and interesting.

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#1249139
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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Looks like you’re returning to the Had Abbadon idea for your eventual Revenge of the Jedi?

For some reason it’s not working yet for me. Could you possibly give the planet more contrast, so the dark side of the planet is even darker?

I think it is also a cool framing, with the planet center punched on the screen, but I wonder if you tried to replicate other planet establishing shots from the OT that maybe it could help sell it.

EDIT: Also think the same reasoning is why your Yavin 4 mock-up felt a little off to me. I know you probably wanted to try a different angle, but I wonder if maintaining generally the same framing would help make it work better.

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#1248012
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever noticed the drums in that scene’s music.

It would be interesting to see which scenes it works well in with Dooku.
There’s the scene with Obi-Wan eavesdropping on the Separatist meeting.
Dooku speaking with the captured Obi-Wan.
Dooku, Obi-Wan and Anakin’s duel.
A few others but I’m not sure where else it would work.

At least adding it to a few places could add a nice motif for Dooku as well as make that other track not as overused as it is.

And I would definitely suggest trying to make the music more obvious in that Revenge of the Sith scene as well.

Also, nice catch noticing the similarities between that track and the Zod track. This wouldn’t be the first instance of Williams reusing his work. I don’t blame him though, considering how much he’s written and how a lot of his work goes unnoticed/underappreciated.

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#1247758
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<strong>THE JEDI'S APPRENTICE: AOTC Edit Video-Breakdowns</strong> (Edit Released)
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I watched this earlier today! Just wanted to say I thought you did a really great job at taking feedback. I respect that you didn’t just necessarily make the changes me or others suggested, but you tried to address those issues in your own way, like you did with extending the final Dex shot. Good job there Cathy.

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#1247226
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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The main benefit I see of making it Maul is so he can have a little bit more to do in the only film that he is in, and to not add confusion to there being three Sith in the film if you were to also have Dooku thrown in there.
You could just have Maul do more of Sidious’ dirty work to help keep Sidious more mysterious in TPM.
It also might be easier to do that than Dooku, because you could have hologram Maul hooded, so you wouldn’t need to make Maul’s mouth move appropriately with the dialogue a lot, or maybe not at all.

Plus, you have a lot of possible dialogue to pull from The Clone Wars and possibly Battlefront 2, so maybe if you trimmed up those scenes you would have enough to make their conversations work.

While you could also pull lines for Dooku from the Clone Wars, since it is a different VA for most of the show, the voice could be noticeably different.

Though in the end such a change might not be worth the effort.

To change the subject, I had another idea for Revenge of the Sith.

I have seen this idea brought up before in videos and on here as well I believe, but the gist of it is that a part of the reason why the Jedi are less trustful of Anakin and why he isn’t given the rank of Master is because he killed a defenseless Dooku, and that you could slightly rewrite a few scenes to establish Anakin’s action having this consequence. And then, when Mace tries to do the same thing Anakin did, but with Palpatine, it gives Anakin all the more reason as to why he would feel betrayed by the Jedi and their hypocrisy. He gets punished for killing Dooku by Mace, but now Mace can do the same thing?

The bad thing is that it is never established that any of the Jedi even know Anakin executed Dooku, and there’s really no way to change the dialogue to establish that.

But I had an idea today. What if you had Mace, Yoda, and maybe Obi-Wan watch a hologram recording of Anakin killing Dooku on the bridge of the ship (which they could have recovered from the crash). You could use elements from the scene in Attack of the Clones when Obi-Wan contacts Mace and Yoda about Jango Fett and the Clone army, where his hologram is being projected from a little pedestal in Yoda’s chamber. And you could use the wide shot of Anakin standing over Dooku’s body as it falls to the ground for the hologram.

You could intergrate the hologram pedestal into the deleted ROTS scene where Yoda, Mace and Obi discuss Palpatine’s growing power. Maybe at the beginning of that scene, they watch the recording, then get a few silent reaction shots from them, then they start discussing Palpatine. But since the hologram might be a little unrelated to their conversation, you could just add a very brief version of the AOTC scene with the new hologram, and then have a few silent reaction shots of Mace and Yoda to imply that this information affects their trust in Anakin that we see throughout the movie. And this scene could be placed early on in the film.

To make sure the scene isn’t too short, in the wide shot you could have the hologram show Anakin and Dooku dueling, then cut to shots of Yoda and Mace watching while we hear lightsabers clash in the background, then cut back to hologram when he kills Dooku, and cut back to Mace/Yoda for their reactions. You could even use the brief shot of Anakin grabbing Dooku’s wrists for the hologram, then cut back to either Mace or Yoda with maybe a surprised look if there is an appropriate one. And then you could freeze on the final shot of hologram as the Jedi masters absorb what they just saw.

Anyway, just another idea I had.

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#1247207
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<strong>THE JEDI'S APPRENTICE: AOTC Edit Video-Breakdowns</strong> (Edit Released)
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I have to say, I appreciate your different approach to this film. Most edits cut out Dex, and a few other things you decided to keep, so it is interesting to see you attempt to preserve them.

I donlike what you’ve done with it, but I think that scene could use a little more work.
First of all, I think you should end the scene on a shot of Kenobi rather than Dex like it does originally. It feels too abrupt as it is now.

Also, I know this will be difficult to deal with, but the continuity feels weird in this scene now because of the various trims. For example, seeing Obi-Wan walk into the diner and the next shot is of a closeup of him already sitting in a booth. Also, at one moment Dex has the dart in the palm of his hand, and in the next shot Obi-Wan has it. I don’t know if it would be possible for you to try to make issues such as these a little less noticeable.

Also, I get that some of the info seems a little unecessary, but I think keeping the line about him prospecting helps establish why Obi would go to Dex for this kind of info, since it implies that Dex is a well-traveled individual. Otherwise e have no idea why this raggedy-shirt guy would know anything about saber darts.

And while it is true that we never see Obi go to the analysis droids, that reference does explain why he had to go to a third party for this information. You could just keep that line and what Dex says about symbols, and remove the rest and go straight to Obi saying, “Kamino, I’m not familiar with it.” At the very least is another way the scene establishes Dex’s knowledge/experience.

While I do like how you cut out the beginning of the scene, the one thing we do lose is establishing that that restaurant is Dex’s Diner. Otherwise, he could just be meeting a contact at a random restaurant. Not sure how important that is.

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#1246988
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Idea: How to make Episode 3 work as a standalone prequel?
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Honestly, I don’t really think you would have to establish too much in the crawl.

I definitely wouldn’t try to elaborate on Anakin’s history in the crawl. It wouldn’t fit and it isn’t really necessary. Obi-Wan reiterates in the movie dialogue that he’s trained Anakin since he was a boy (maybe cut “small” from “small boy”, and it could be interpreted as him being a teenager). A lot of the relationships are reestablished in this movie, like both Anakin and Palpatine reminding the audience that they have had a friendship for a long time. And we also learn through the dialogue that Anakin’s relationship with Padmé is a secret and against the Jedi code, which I still think is important for the movie to work and remain faithful to the themes of the saga.

All you would need to do is slightly alter the crawl to set up what the Clone Wars are and that the Jedi are fighting for the Republic. I would try to make that very concise and fit that in the just first paragraph.

Then the rest of crawl plays out the same, setting up the antagonists and the immediate situation with the kidnapping of the leader of the Republic. I’d also probably slightly alter the reference to Dooku to refer to him as a fallen Jedi.

Really take the crawl of A New Hope as a good example, it briefly introduces us to a war that we’re just being dropped into, just like we would be if Revenge was a stand-alone film. Ironically, Revenge “is a period of civil war” just like ANH!

I also think that you would want to trim any references that wouldn’t make a lot of sense without the context of the last two films, like anything about Anakin’s mother, unless you establish what happened to her in a dream or something (but I think it would still work without it, don’t make anything more complicated than it has to be), maybe the mention of the necklace Anakin made for Padmé, and definitely the final reference to Qui-Gon.

Maybe Yoda could just say:
“In your solitude on Tatooine, training I have for you.”
And then cut to Obi-Wan with an inquisitive look, then cut to the next scene.
I think that would be enough to help set up that there is more for them to learn, but keeps it mysterious.

Really the only issue I can think of might be that you don’t get the context of how Owen and Beru are Luke’s family, since they decide to take Luke there in the end. But without the previous two films, and with what Obi-Wan tells us in A New Hope, we can just assume it is Anakin’s family and what Obi-Wan tells Luke in ANH is generally true (minus his father wanting him to have his lightsaber and the stuff about Darth Vader, things Obi lies about to push Luke to become a Jedi).

A big change that might be considered is keeping Vader’s identity a twist, but I think what makes Revenge of the Sith work is the dramatic irony of knowing that this is the fall of Anakin Skywalker. At the very least, you could possibly remove any mention of Darth Vader from the film and cut any scenes of Anakin after Obi-Wan leaves Mustafar. But in a marathon context the audience would still know that Obi-Wan is lying, and later in ANH Vader refers to Obi-Wan as his old master. I just think you’d have to make radical changes and bend over backwards for such a change, and I think it would overcomplicate the movie and take away from its themes.
To maintain the twist, someone could just do the Machete Order, and put this standalone prequel film inbetween Empire and Jedi.

There are some other changes I think that would be worth considering. I know Dom’s ROTS edit intergrates OT music here and there in the film, and doing something similar with this project could help the movie fit in with the OT style more. Finding places to ocassionally reuse music and classic sound effects could help the movie feel more like classic Star Wars, since this film wouldn’t have the two other films to help establish the prequel aesthetic.
Dom’s thread: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Doms-Useless-Prequel-Edits/id/56746

Another edit I would recommend looking into for inspiration would be NFBism’s New Canon Cut. While his was meant to help recharacterize Anakin, Obi-Wan and their friendship to better fit with the Clone Wars tv show, I think a lot of his ideas, which include a lot of small changes, go a long way to help improve Anakin’s character in general, and I definitely would suggest anyone working on a ROTS edit to read through his thread and check out his edit: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Revenge-of-the-Sith-The-New-Canon-Cut/id/53990

I would also consider readding the deleted scenes of Padmé to help tie her story in with the Rebellion plot in the OT. You could even consider using Hal’s ending where Padmé survives if you wanted to try to be as consistent with the OT as possible. I would also encourage you to check out a recent post of mine from the Prequel Radical Redux thread where I suggest restructuring Padmé’s deleted scenes to help tie it even more directly to the Rebellion as we know it, and to better set up Anakin’s paranoia in the film.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Prequel-Radical-Redux-Ideas-Thread/id/9911/page/294#1242655

Further down I also suggest an alternate way to handle her death to give her character more agency.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Prequel-Radical-Redux-Ideas-Thread/id/9911/page/295#1243121

The good thing about most of these changes, if you don’t try to hide Vader=Anakin or to have Padmé survive, is that the movie can work as a Stand-alone film, but it doesn’t necessarily contradict the Episodes I and II either. Just because we cut out the references to Anakin’s mother and Qui-Gon Jinn doesn’t mean they don’t exist, but by removing those references, people who watch this edit can choose to either watch those movies, or just watch this plus the OT and it would work either way. By removing those details from ROTS, it allows people to interpret Anakin’s backstory however they choose, either as I and II present it, or as Obi-Wan describes it in ANH.

Sorry for the long post. While there are a lot of interesting 3-in-1 prequel edits, I do think with the right cuts, Revenge can still work rather well by itself. So this is a good idea for those who might want to do a marathon, but might not necessarily want to watch all three prequels.

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#1246877
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Huh, yeah, I see what you’re saying.

It wouldn’t necessarily contradict the OT because it never said they fought. I think we were all expecting it though because George had always talked about the battle over the volcano.

I just feel like realistically the movie wouldn’t work without that last battle. I think it would be possible to do, I just do think cutting it would make the movie better.

You could just end Padmé and Obi’s conversation earlier, and imply she goes into hiding with Obi’s help, maybe use bits from Hal’s ROTS ending. We don’t see Anakin transform into Vader, and I guess the audience would be left to assume it is a gradual transformation that happens as he hunts Jedi over the years or something.

But you would still have to find a way to have Obi-Wan get Anakin’s lightsaber.

But to me, the movie would have trouble working without that duel because it is sort of what the whole movie, if not the whole trilogy, has been building up to. And I think Obi-Wan being the one to do that to Anakin adds a little to the reason why he hates Obi-Wan.

Speaking of that scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan saying goodbye, I honestly think that whole conversation should be almost completely cut. To me, it feels like a conversation Anakin and/or Obi-Wan wish they would have had, rather than one they actually did. Especially since the next scene we seek them together, their dispositions toward each other is a complete 180.

You could just have Obi-Wan say something about a wild bantha chase, maybe they look at each other for a second, contemplating saying more, but they don’t. Obi-Wan turns to leave and Anakin says, “May the Force be with you.”