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DominicCobb said:

This has probably been covered before but was Natalie Portman’s voice pitch shifted to be lower in her scenes as the queen in TPM? I’ve always suspected that was the case but watching some trailers and featurettes (where her voice is noticeably higher) got me thinking it might actually be.

Yeah, I think both Queen-Natalie and Kiera Knightley’s voice were both deepened.

I do think a few edits have tried fixing this. This video is an example of an attempt at correcting her voice (I think they have another video for Kiera)

https://youtu.be/m3TQMHeF1Es

I was just thinking about this the other day when TPM was on TNT. I really think making her voice deeper made it harder to relate to Padmé. It just sounds so strange to me, I don’t know.

Glad to see some activity on this thread!

big_gareth said:

I agree about the detrimental affects the Young Griff cuts and Euron’s character assassination had, but the show is just too damn good to give up on and even the later seasons had some brilliant moments. I have been planning my own fan edit but there are some really tough things to fix from season 5-8 and on first read I agree most of these things look impossible.

I think that boils down why I am interested in an edit project like this. The first four seasons of the show is some of the greatest episodes of television history, in my opinion, and I think making changes to help improve the latter half of the series is worth the effort.

I’m sure we will get a lot of people saying that the edits still don’t change certain fundamental flaws of the latter seasons, but I personally believe smart edits can do a lot more for the show than people think.

Poppa, thanks for sharing the first of hopefully many sample edits that can be made here in the future! I definitely think it is an improvement over the original. I think it was a good idea to cut Tyrion’s crap about the stories, since I think it takes away from more of the fact that bran would be a good King since he can see all of history and the mistakes that have been made in the past.

The only editing issue I really noticed was seeing Tyrion in a new position without seeing or hearing him move to that spot. You also lose Bran naming Tyrion his hand, if this version would actually keep that scene. But I like how you built to the climax of Sansa declaring independence. Honestly I kind of think it is weird how they cut to a shot of Yara and the Prince of Dorne’s reactions to Sansa declaring independence, since if any kingdoms were to be independent, it would be the Iron Islands and Dorne (since they are so culturally different). I would also say that specific reaction shot should be cut since, imo, it highlights that weird question of why the North deserves independence and not the other kingdoms?

Personally, I kind of wish there was a way to change the dialogue where they decided all the kingdoms would become more independent, with Bran being a High King that mediates disputes between them. Many “high kings” throughout history were chosen by lesser rulers through election, so it fits within what we see happen. Maybe Sansa’s dialogue could be altered off-screen to suggest this. Though this might be too complicated to get across in an edit. I just really don’t think Yara Greyjoy and Dorne would just be like, “okay, we’ll accept a Stark king and accept that the North will be independent also under Stark leadership.”

Also, I’ve heard that people find it weird that Bran says, “Why do you think I came all this way?” It seems to suggest he knew this would happen, which also kind of implies he knew what Dany was going to do, which makes it feel like he allowed all that to happen in order to become king. Though this could make more since if we were to edit it to give Bran more visions throughout, or maybe make Bran have ulterior motives like others have suggest. A lot to think about. Although I think how much we change really depends on how much you all think we should be allowed to stray from the source material, if we all work together on this, which I think we should!

Also Poppa, I like your color correction for the Long Night. Something like this will definitely be needed for an edit of that episode.

Tsiskwa said:

I would be delighted to take part in this sort of effort. My list of edit ideas has been growing for years. There are definitely some things that need to happen with season 8, and I love that re-cut of Rhaegal’s death. Makes so much more sense. In particular, there’s a lot in-between Dany’s death and the final montage that needs to go. What I’d love to see is a “consistency edit”. For example, things like the Eyrie should look the same in all seasons, rather than undergoing a complete re-design retcon. One of the most jarring changes was Daario, but that would be a major undertaking.

Thanks for chiming in Tsiskwa! Would love to hear more of your ideas!

The “consistency” idea is interesting. I think this can be done to some extent with locations if we just reuse establishing shots, but I also think this should depend on how much needs to be changed, if anything, in those episodes. Like, I don’t think changing an establishing shot in one episode would be worth it if it was the only thing that needed changing in that episode. But if we were editing something else in that episode anyway, then I’d say go for it.

big_gareth also makes a suggestion like this, regarding the recasts, like Daario, Beric, and the Three-Eyed Raven. Something like this could be done for Beric and Daario with a deepfake program (maybe make first Daario’s hair darker too), and maybe we clever editing could replace the first TER with Von Sidow, but honestly with the amount of effort needed I don’t know if it would be really worth it. At least for me this would not be my personal focus, but if it someone else really wanted to do this I would be happy to help and give feedback.

WillS8 said:

The Dorne storyline is still the worst in the show. It would be nice if Doran was shown as smarter and Ellaria was more sympathetic. A lot of those scenes can be cut entirely. Would it be doable and make sense that Ellaria might not kill Doran but instead just take over after Areo Hotah dies?

Sammuel7 said:

With the footage that we have, how much can the Dorne stoyline be altered? How much is possible to change?

Thanks for chiming in Will and Samuel! If you haven’t, you should go back and read my first reply in this thread that briefly touches on my idea to improve the Dorne subplot. Since Doran does not show up as the Prince of Dorne in the finale, I do think we have to keep Doran dying earlier in the show, unless we were somehow able to swap that guy out with Doran, but that would be extremely difficult. I think Ellaria still must take part in a coup backed by the people to put one of Oberyn’s daughters on the throne, but maybe we can make Ellaria seem a lot smarter through editing. Though if someone has an idea to keep Doran around I’m all ears.

Also, is it possible to show more moments of Dany cracking in seasons 6 and 7? Maybe edit some scenes to make her seem more ruthless so it is not as jaring when she burns King’s Landing. What if she refused to parley with masters in 6x9?

I think this is a good question. I think if we decide to edit certain episodes for larger narrative reasons, and those episodes contain moments where we could make Dany appear more ruthless, then it could be something we can consider. But I don’t think it would be worth it if that was the only thing about an episode we were going to change.

I’ve mentioned this already, but I think my favorite idea regarding this would be using VFX to have the citizens of King’s Landing along the walls when Missandei is executed. We could take crowd elements from earlier episode moments, like the King’s Landing riot or Cersei’s walk of shame. So we could see them along the walls, and more importantly, hear them jeering at Dany and then cheering when Missandei is killed. I think to Dany, it would make it feel like the citizens were participants and they also needed to be punished.

Another idea I’ve heard suggested is not to have the bells ring, but the episode is called “The Bells”, so it might be counterintuitive to do that.

I will post again to touch on some of big_gareth’s idea list, and I will add some other ideas I had of my own.

The cut on the line, “We still can save him” feels a little weird initially, maybe because it cuts away as she is starting to talk. I know you’re kind of limited on how you can cut it, that’s just the one thing that stood out to me at first.

SilverWook said:

TNT is really running the hell out of the movies since last weekend. TFA was on again today. Weird see a Star Wars film on tv at 3 in the morning sometimes. I’d use it for background noise to fall asleep if they weren’t the SE’s. 😉

Honestly I’ve seen all the movies so many times it can be hard for me not to fall asleep watching them!

I don’t really know why we need to have Anakin and Obi-Wan make up. The next time they see each other they’re basically enemies. To me, it would make more sense if neither character never had a chance to tell each other how they really felt, and instead the tension that has been building up throughout the film finally explodes by the time they reach Mustafar. Maybe Anakin could see Obi-Wan off, and they seem like they’re going to say something, but they never do.

Hey Peter, I think we had a convo about this. Why not establish that the Clone army has been openly under construction for sometime, the dart leads them to Kamino, but what Kamino is isn’t a mystery. So Kenobi goes and acts like he is just coming for a review of the clones, and learns about the Jango, who matches the description of the bounty hunter he’s after.

You can add “I will create a Grand Army of the Republic…” line somewhere in TPM, maybe an edited version of that scene where we don’t have a close-up of Palpatine saying it (because of his appearance difference between Ep 1 and 2).

Maybe the opening crawl from Ep 2 could say that this thing Padmé is voting on is to approve for more clone units to be made, or possibly to give Palpatine emergency powers to counter the Separatist threat. Or maybe the vote is to approve for the clones to actually be deployed across the galaxy to defend the Republic. They’ve been building the army, but they haven’t left Kamino yet.

This way you won’t have to cut so much out of the movie.

This feels like one of those conversations where we’ll reread it a year from now and ask ourselves why we spent so much time and energy arguing about something so inconsequential.
(Not judging, I’ve had a lot of those.)

Probably, although it might be best to see how the Knights of Ren are portrayed in TROS, and if the lightsaber additions can be carried over into that film as well.

Young Griff/Aegon Targaryen technically would be Rhaegar’s first son, so Dany’s nephew (like Jon is). But there are some theories that Griff is actually a pretender (though he might not even know that).

Basically, he is a Blackfyre and supposedly Varys and Illyrio have groomed him for the throne. So even if he is revealed as not a true Targaryen, the people might not even care because they still love him. But you’re right, Dany’s actions would make a lot more sense if she was dealing with him rather than Cersei. I think the key is making it to where Dany blames the people to feel like punishing them. What you said makes sense, so maybe we can think of an alternative, like that Missandei idea I had.

But you’re right, even if we were to try to fix things, it still won’t be perfect obviously. But you know, GoT has still been a great show, especially the first four seasons with some good moments in the following ones. I guess I would want to try to make some changes that might make the show more bearable for those who have loved the show, but have been disappointed by the last season or two and think it might affect their interest in rewatching the series eventually.

I agree! While I’m okay with the general story beats and I’m still enjoying the experience, I do agree that it feels rushed. Unfortunately all fan editors can do is cut/rearrange content rather than adding more. So I think we have to figure out how we can make what is already there work better.

I personally don’t want to do TV-to-Movie edits like Andreas is doing. What I would like to do or see would just be edits of individual episodes, so if one were to do a rewatch of the series, they could just watch the handful of fan edited episodes in place of the original ones. The idea being that the purpose is to address various controversies or weaker points throughout the show, rather than fundamentally changing the viewing experience. I would like to make a list of possible changes throughout the series so if anyone has any ideas just shout them out.

I kind of want to brainstorm ideas regarding Season 8.

SPOILERS AHEAD.

I think there could be a lot of things done to these episodes, but here are some thoughts I’ve currently been having.

I would like to have Bran do more greenseer things during the Battle of Winterfell. All he does is warg into some crows. I’m not exactly sure what he could do, but having him go into the past or have visions might be feasible ideas from an editing perspective. Maybe we could have him warg into Rhaegal when Jon and the Night King fight on their dragons.

Maybe we could just brighten up the entire episode just a little.

Just cut all the scenes with Bronn so far.

Another small change would be to have Rheagal’s death make more sense. I guy on reddit actually has already made a version of this. https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bnq8to/rhaegal_dies_but_it_makes_slightly_more_sense/

Speaking of Euron, I think you could cut Euron and Jaime’s fight scene in 805, and everything still make sense. Just make it look like Euron died in dragonfire, have Jaime walk up the beach and into the cave, then cut out Cersei mention that he’s bleeding.

I’m also trying to think of ways we could help Dany’s decision to burn the citizens of King’s Landing not feel so sudden. It seems a lot of people feel like it was a total character change, where others feel it was hinted at a lot. I think there a lot of ways you approach this issue.

1. You could never have the Bells ring, which makes Dany feel like they did not surrender, so she keeps destroying the city.

2. Cut certain shots to downplay Dany’s actions, or make it seem like she is just burning the Red Keep and the general destruction in the city is from spreading fire and the wildfire throughout the city exploding.

While I think these top options would be easier, I kind of think that Dany needs to go off the deep end, because Dany ignoring the Bells will forever be an infamous moment. Regardless, these are possible options.

3. Give Dany more reasons to want to punish the citizens of King’s Landing. What if was possible to use some VFX and clever editing to have the citizens of King’s Landing standing along the walls, like Cersei brought them up there as another layer of protection against Dany (like she did by inviting them into the Red Keep) it would also explain why Cersei doesn’t just kill Dany with the ballistae at that moment, since all of King’s Landing was watching and that could be seen as dishonorable maybe. But you could add sound effects of the crowd jeering at Dany, and then cheering when Missandei was executed. It might make it feel like the citizens themselves took part in Missandei’s death, so it would make Dany feel like they need to be taught a lesson.

There are other ideas too, like have Dany hear voices at different times in the last few seasons to imply she really is going Mad (although I think the actual version, if it had more set up, would have more nuance than her just being “crazy”). Then she could hear voices during the Bells moment. Maybe one could cut some of her dialogue from the last two or so seasons to make Dany seem more “bad queen” and less “good queen”, if that makes sense. Personally my favorite idea so far is having the citizens cheer during Missandei’s execution, but obviously that would be one of the hardest ones to actually do.

NeverarGreat said:

It still feels incomplete though. Maybe parallel editing wouldn’t be so bad if it was applied near the end of the two scenes. I’m imagining Rey meeting Luke, then cutting to R2 waking up and in place of the Leia scene having the final bit with Rey offering the lightsaber, then the map reveal.

Try that! I think that would work well.

Seems like it’d be a lot of work to cut Rey out of the map reveal scene. I do like the new sequence of events though (and the blue and rgb split!).

Also, why didn’t you keep the flickering light on R2? I think having him plugged up to the computer plus having the flickering light would help imply that something is in progress, if that makes sense.

Yeah Hal, it sounds 100% fine to me. This was a good idea to naturally establish that Anakin did not build 3PO from scratch!

I thought I had heard that the Clone Wars movie had the dialogue all on one track, but I guess that doesn’t apply to the TV show itself. Maybe that first fact isn’t even true though.

EDIT: Also, I was going to point out the same thing about the wrench in the Jar Jar clip. I think if you were to mask it falling in and then have it just hit the pod and then fall out of view somewhere else, it would work better. I like how you’re bringing a little Jar Jar humor back in. I think it works because the jokes aren’t being dragged out, you know? You still have funny moments, but they don’t overstay their welcome.

Seems like a lot of people aren’t very happy with the new season of Game of Thrones. If you have any ideas for trying to improve the episodes, share them here!

Question: How was Obi-Wan able to see a hologram of Anakin bowing to Sidious in the Jedi Temple? Did Sidious go to the Jedi temple after all the Jedi were killed? Surely Obi-Wan can’t access security holograms fro Palpatine’s office from the Temple? I don’t think Palpatine would’ve been able to keep his identity secret for very long if that was possible.

EDIT: Honestly kind of want Frink to redub Snoke with Goldmember for his Ridiculous edits now.

I’m not really pissed about this past season like a lot of people are, but I think a lot of people feel that David Benioff & D.B. Weiss (D&D) rushed the ending. HBO were going to give them 10 seasons of 10 episodes, but D&D just wanted to do 8 Seasons, and the last two seasons were 7 and 6 episodes respectively.

To a lot of people, it seems they just were ready to be done, and the quality of writing reflects that. Certain plot devices seem to contradict the “rules” established in earlier seasons. Characters jump around the world quickly, characters don’t really suffer consequences for their decisions (i.e. plot armor), and a lot of characters feel, well, out of character based off their portrayals in earlier seasons, and it doesn’t feel like they naturally progresssed to that point within the story.

It also feels like they made some story decisions based off shock factor or wanting to surprise the audience rather than what was set up in the story. Yes, there were shocking moments in earlier seasons, but usually those moments were set up by character’s actions that, in retrospect, led to those consequences. With the past two or so seasons, it seems they’ve defended their writing decisions by citing earlier moments they claimed to be foreshadowing, but many of those moments were often brief and at best are recontextualized as foreshadowing, if that makes sense.

To be fair, D&D have added a lot of good things to the story as well, especially in earlier seasons when working more off of G.R.R. Martin’s books (the show grew to be so popular for a reason and D&D definitely deserve credit for that too), but the seasonal transition from direct adaption to original work feels apparent in retrospect. I think fans feel like D&D sort of gave up towards the end because they were ready to move on, and some fans feel disappointed because they’ve invested so much time into this story. So I think people feel like they can’t trust them to tell a story and commit to it, from beginning to end. To be fair, I think D&D signed up thinking Martin would have completed series before they caught up with him, so they weren’t expecting to have less content to adapt by the end of it.

I do think, at the very least, since D&D are doing a trilogy, you’re talking about 6-8 hours of content rather than 8 Seasons and 75~ episodes of content like GOT. D&D could map out the trilogy before the first one even starts shooting if they wanted to. The first episode of the trilogy could start out well, but maybe some fans are worried that they’ll get them invested and then sort of drop the ball before it’s over.

I think I get what you’re describing. Honestly I think this is one of those things where you have to test it out, because it is hard to say what works better on description alone, at least in this case since it is a very different idea.

I am still trying to think of ways you might help make it very clear that this is a dream or vision of some kind. What about some kind of edge blur and a slight RGB split?

Also, if you end the film with Rey leaving to go find Luke, do you think you might include a “Rey’s Journey” sequence in a potential TLJ edit where we see them jumping from planet to planet before she reaches Ach-To? I always loved that test you made for that idea, and I also like the added meaning of the various points on the map being another level of “Jedi steps”.

Yes! I’m so glad you came back to this! It looks great to me.

Well I think Petro’s point of how the ship appears when the music changes tone, but the camera stops tilting on the BAM!

Personally, after rewatching it a few times it works for me. I do think it is bothering people because it feels uncanny based off what we’re used to. You could make an argument that the planet coming into view at the same time as the ship divides our focus, whereas in the original our focus goes from moon 1, to moon 2, to Tatooine, then to Tantive IV. In Petro’s version, ship and planet enter frame simultaneously.

Haha I laughed out loud the first time when “star destroyer” popped into view. I know it is placeholder but it was funny when I wasn’t expecting it!

I would like those as well if you wouldn’t mind to PM as well Ash.

I also didn’t realize DrDre made those upscaled deleted scenes.

Yep. People are going to love it and will be saying it is the best thing “Disney” has done.

Some predictions:

We will be seeing tons of articles/YouTube videos talking about how much Rian, Benioff & Weiss’ trilogies will be cinematic failures before they even come out (I personally am a bit skeptical of D&D myself).

Most fans on both sides of the spectrum are going to LOVE The Mandalorian. I think it’ll be so successful Fanvreau and Filoni will be given more future projects. Fans will love these two.

Sorta unrelated, but the new Avatar movies (at the very least Avatar 2) are going to perform exceptionally well at the box office despite some skepticism. General audiences will fall in love with Pandora again like they did in 2009.

SilverWook said:

The novel suggests that Obi Wan only had to mind whammy the lead trooper. IIRC, Luke dares to look back after they pass the checkpoint and the subordinate troopers are arguing among themselves.

Old Ben voice “Pedal to the metal, Luke!”

Legit question, what do you need to know to be able to do a mindtrick?