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#1320538
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The Force Awakens: The Starlight Project - <strong>WORKPRINT RELEASED</strong>
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Nev, you’re one of my favorite people on these forums and I think you’re super talented. I hate how TROS deflated your enthusiasm a bit, but I totally understand. Take as much time away from Star Wars as you need to, either to move on to other things, or to come back with some fresh ideas. I don’t know how you come up with half the things you do, but I can only begin to imagine what ideas you could come up with for future endeavors.

I’ve felt pretty deflated after TROS as well and if it makes any fixing we do pointless, but honestly I’m regaining a bit of that optimism as time goes by. Once the DVD comes out and we can break down the movie and any deleted scenes we might get, it might give us a better idea on how far we can really push that film. You might not ever be interested in messing with it yourself but I hope you stick around to provide some insight!

Now regarding Starlight.

The BB-8 scene. If you can’t get that to work, I wonder if you could revisit the idea about giving a line to Kylo that could segue right into Finn “rescuing” Poe? Since Kylo’s “I leave that to you” line was removed, maybe Kylo could say something like, “Kill the pilot.” Then we cut directly to a Stormtrooper escorting Poe, presumably to his death, but then it turns out to be Finn.

If you can’t get Rey’s pre-interrogation dream to work, maybe you could use one shot of the island, maybe the one from the original island/desert mirage, then it just hard cuts to Rey waking up. Brief but simple.

EDIT: This might be weird, but what if you just dropped that original ReyDream idea into this moment as the dream sequence?
It cuts to black on Leia, then fades back in on the establishing shot of Rey’s AT-AT home. She’s having a dream that’s back on Jakku (where she wants to go). She’s sitting there wearing the pilot helmet when she starts seeing the island mirage, and then suddenly it hard cuts to Rey waking up in the interrogation. Maybe you could have some VO of Rey saying something like, “Waiting for my family. They’ll be back. One day.”

I do get what people are saying regarding the climax and the Hosnian restructuring. I really like how you’ve done it and I do think you should keep it that way. Back in December I actually showed my dad both versions, and I also think he responded more to the one-two punch of Han’s death and the Hosnian destruction. But I think out of many of the changes you’ve made throughout your edit, this is one I feel really deserves playing around with more.

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#1320531
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Rumor: COUNTDOWN to The Rise of Skywalker EXTENDED CUT - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Honestly it is sort of vague-looking. It is basically dark Rey but with white eyes like Palpatine’s. And I think she is sitting on the dark throne but I think it is a midshot. Plus, it is literally a quick flash, basically a few frames.

To me it looks like it was Frankensteined together in post rather than shot with that intention. Plus, it is only Rey, and not Rey and Kylo together, as they described the vision in the film.

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#1320519
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Rumor: COUNTDOWN to The Rise of Skywalker EXTENDED CUT - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

Is the oracle scene the one where we see the vision of Rey and Kylo on the throne? Because that was referenced several times in the final film and surely seems like something we should have seen, right?

I’m still not really sure where that vision fits, but I don’t think the leaks mentioned the Oracle giving Kylo a vision. I could be wrong though.

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#1320472
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I’ve seen that! Thanks for bringing that up Darth Lucas!
To summarize:

  1. Ben brings Rey back to life
  2. Ben falls over dead
  3. Ben begins to fade
  4. Cut to Leia’s body fading away and Maz smiling
  5. Ben fades back in
  6. Rey lifts him up (shot reversed)
  7. Ben and Rey smile at each other and kiss

I think the reverse shots could use some work to make them feel slightly different and less obviously reversed, like the way Ben’s hand moves on the back of Rey’s head (maybe you could just mask his hand out in that shot). I think you would need to rearrange the shots of them looking at each other a little differently too to try and sell it more. But Rey Kenobi’s version does have a clear sequence of events and maintains Ben’s act of selflessness, with his mother giving him one final gift.

I like the idea of Leia intervening in some way (either for Ben or Rey) because it reminds me a little of the Mortis arc from Clone Wars. Towards the end of that arc, Ahsoka dies, but The Daughter offers what was left of her own life Force to save her, but Anakin was necessary to act as a conduit for the life Force to be transferred.

So in this version of the film, it could play out similarly. Leia, the “daughter” of Anakin, gives what little of her life Force still lingered in this world to bring Rey back to life, with Ben, the grandson of Anakin, acting as a conduit like Anakin once did.

But you would get a similar idea whether she helps save Rey or Ben, I think.

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#1320413
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Lot of that arts look so good… what do you guys think the deal is with the floating ash that Kylo observes?

This might be a weird idea. I recall the Exogol scenes being pretty blue, or at least having a blue hazy tone. What if we regraded it to have a more neutral tone, or give it a monochromatic, almost black and grey look, to emphasize this Sith throne world as a world of literal darkness. And later when Rey/Kylo use their sabers, they’ll really stand out well against the blackness.

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#1320365
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

What do you have in mind?

I sent you a PM.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Ben can revive Rey and live because dyad. There. Problem solved.

So you don’t think people would question the logic at all? At the very least the Leia idea gives us a good reason to keep Leia becoming one with the Force in the same place without having to have Ben die as well.

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#1320358
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

That’s true! You could actually leave the shots in the same order, and not have to meddle with the soundtrack at all. Really, all you would need to do is add a line like, “We can still save her” to make it clearer that Leia played a role in saving Rey, and providing enough of an explanation as to how Ben also survived the process.

Then you can cut away before Ben’s smile begins to fade. Later, Rey and Ben can then meet up on Tatooine. And I have a practical idea for how to achieve that without shooting any new footage.

Hmm, would it involve using footage of Ren on Pasaana? That’s the thought that occurred to me recently.

It’s not what I had in mind, but that’s definitely an option. I’ve seen a few fan alt. endings on YouTube that reuse footage of Kylo on Pasaana, so that might be the simplest option.

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#1320351
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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That’s true! You could actually leave the shots in the same order, and not have to meddle with the soundtrack too much. Really, all you would need to do is add a Leia line like, “We can still save her…” to make it clearer that Leia played a role in saving Rey, and providing enough of an explanation as to how Ben also survived the process.

Then you can cut away before Ben’s smile begins to fade. Later, Rey and Ben can then meet up on Tatooine. And I have a practical idea for how to achieve that without shooting any new footage.

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#1320344
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

Honestly too I think having Anakin’s hand involved would just be kind of unintentionally funny, considering the romantic nature of the scene (and somewhat undercut the hand-taking throughline of their relationship).

Okay, fair enough! I just laughed out loud imagining it with that in mind and I see your point! 😂

What do you think of the Leia idea instead?

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#1320340
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Just had another, simpler idea for this issue. What if during that moment of Ben trying to heal Rey, we cut to Leia’s body disappearing back at the Resistance base? The implication could be that a little bit of Leia’s life Force was still in this world, like when she communed to Ben through a vision of Han, but she gave that little bit of life left to ensure Ben wouldn’t die in the healing process. Would that be too vague? Maybe we could hear Leia whisper something to Ben?

Dom, I think you were trying to figure out what to do with that shot earlier. Maybe this could be where it goes. I know that originally the idea was putting Leia’s body disappearing right after the Ben and Han scene to imply it was Leia communicating to Ben. Maybe we could keep that implication by Ben hearing Leia say “Ben” after he throws his saber, which is what prompts him to turn around and look for the source of the voice. You could take the line from where she says “Ben” earlier, during Rey and Kylo’s duel. Maybe you could also use “Son”, then you could use “Ben” and “Son” interchangeably between the two scenes. Though I think that moment of Ben sensing her mother’s death might work better without her saying his name, since it also felt like Leia was trying to distract Ben so Rey could get the upper hand. Without her saying something, it might seem like he is just sensing it on his own.

EDIT: Leia does say, “We can sill save him” in TFA during her conversation with Han. Maybe when Ben is hugging Rey’s body, we could have Ben hear Leia say, “Son, we can still save her”, or “You can still save her

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#1320338
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

I have a very clear idea for how to handle a Ben Lives alternate ending, which will be the first thing I work on once the film comes out on Blu-ray, but I kind of want to wait and see how much I can do on my own before I share it.

But speaking of Ben Lives, I’m still kind of debating on how to handle Ben bringing Rey back to life. It makes sense that if Ben resurrects Rey, that he will die since he gave her his life Force. So just cutting him dying might feel like it goes against what the movie established about the power.

So should we just have Ben save Rey and not die, regardless of the questions it might raise, or introduce some “divine intervention”?

Yeah, you could probably have some more Jedi voices if you wanted to suggest they were helping. Maybe something as simple as Luke’s “A thousand generations live in you now.”

I’m still not sure exactly how to go about portraying it, but whether Rey or Ben dies, I think it would be interesting if Anakin were to be the one to bring them back to life. So let’s say it is Rey… As Ben is hugging Rey’s body, maybe he could hear Anakin say something to him (or maybe not so Ben does it thinking he will die and not contradict his act of selflessness), then Ben places his hand on Rey and closes his eyes. Then maybe these “healing” shots could be altered to show someone appear kneeling across from Ben, and placing their hand on top of his. We could get a brief glimpse of Anakin’s face, either by taking a shot or two of him from ROTS, or deepfake a shot or two of a stand-in. At the very least you could just film an insert of a hand being placed onto Ben’s, something you could shoot with a robe and a green screen.

Before the film came out I remember so many people wanting Anakin to make some kind of appearance in the movie, and although we heard his voice, I think people were hoping for more. This could be a nice way to achieve that, as well as have Anakin have one final act in the last film of the Skywalker Saga. I like the idea that the dyad could be a literal representation of “balance”, and if Anakin were to bring one half of the dyad back to life, then he would be restoring balance through the power he was desperate to discover during his life. It also makes the power of resurrection more special, since that is something only the Chosen One can do. And you could further explore the implications of Anakin doing this for Rey, the last Jedi, and Ben, his grandson, and granting this gift to them so they can experience a future that he and Padme never could. (I also like the idea that Anakin’s very first line in the first film being “Are you an angel?” and then appearing like an angel at the end of the last film.)

Anyway, a lot to chew on, but I think this would really surprise people if we could get it to work.

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#1320256
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I have a very clear idea for how to handle a Ben Lives alternate ending, which will be the first thing I work on once the film comes out on Blu-ray, but I kind of want to wait and see how much I can do on my own before I share it.

But speaking of Ben Lives, I’m still kind of debating on how to handle Ben bringing Rey back to life. It makes sense that if Ben resurrects Rey, that he will die since he gave her his life Force. So just cutting him dying might feel like it goes against what the movie established about the power.

So should we just have Ben save Rey and not die, regardless of the questions it might raise, or introduce some “divine intervention”?

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#1320243
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I hope it is too. I think you can see Vader’s castle in the distance in that shot from the Art book, actually.

Agreed. I think Rey and Kylo’s feelings for each other should have been built up more blatantly throughout the film. Not doing that left some people feeling unsure of what to think about this kiss. I felt like Abrams turned them into surprises, when really it was a matter of set ups and pay offs.

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#1320177
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Last movie seen
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Just watched Bong Joon Ho’s Parasite. HO. LY. SHIT. Great performances, and you can feel how meticulously crafted this film was, from the broadest strokes to the smallest detail. I feel like this is the kind of movie that will only get better with each time you watch it, as you pick up on all of those purposeful touches. The movie has a strong relationship between character and camera direction, visual storytelling and clear dialogue that emphasizes its themes of wealth and class, and wonderful pacing. For the story this film is trying to tell, I think it is damn near perfect. My favorite film of 2019.

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#1320165
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Oh yeah you might be right. At first I thought it was just realistic art but it does in fact look like a screen shot.

The style of Mustafar is just so strange. It looks nothing like Mustafar as we knew it, and I’m assuming there was no explanation in the film regarding it. Because it is never explained I wonder if it would be better to make the Oracle planet and Mustafar two separate planets. Maybe the Oracle mentions something about them being on Mustafar, who knows.

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#1320159
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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It also explains why Leia didn’t complete her training I guess.

I would like to make this change too, though. One of the more difficult solutions would be to use vfx to make her bed empty.

I wonder if the Poe/Lando scene could be altered to make it where Poe is just grappling with his newfound leadership rather than the news about the new planetkilling Star Destroyers. So you could put that scene before the Kylo and Han scene.

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#1320090
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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They sound about the same to me. As far as shots, what if you put the shot of Hux over “-will rise” instead of during the gap inbetween his two sentences? That may not work because you may need a natural break between the sentences, but Snoke’s face coming out from the darkness feels odd, considering it no longer works as a face reveal in this version of the scene.

Or swap the reactions. Have Hux flinch at “the new Jedi will rise”, then use his stoic expression for, “So…” Hux flinching at the idea of the Jedi returning rather than Hux flinching at “So…” It made sense when Snoke stood and shouted “GENERAL!”, but his reaction doesn’t go with anything in this version, besides Snoke just standing up.

EDIT: OR… just cut the stoic Hux shot. Have it go like this: 1. Snoke CU - “Jedi will rise” 2. Hux flinches. 3. Snoke stands, “So…”. 4. Snoke CU “Our strategy must now change.”

It might make more sense to go from a wide to a CU without cutting to a reaction shot in the sequence of shots. Might be worth trying.

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#1319954
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I like the idea of Hux delving into the occult, maybe as a way to compete with Kylo, but yeah his lightsaber seppuku is pretty dark. Though honestly it is a cooler death than what he got!

The First Order/Resistance stuff seems really fun and interesting, but this movie seems to ignore any connection Rey and Ben had in TLJ whatsoever. I would’ve preferred more redeemed Ben Solo rather than super evil Kylo Ren.