Moth3r said:
I've received a PM from Angel explaining why certain IP addresses match.
I'm now satisfied that Angel and Nebula are, in fact, two different people.
I've asked Jay to unban Nebula; we will of course still take action against anyone posting any more personal attacks or off-topic posts in the ESB:R thread.
Out of curiosity... what is this explanation?
Ronster said:
Bingowings said:
In the comic book adaptation there was a small Rebel outpost (which possibly tended to the generator station) which is destroyed by the probe droid to cover it's tracks, the loss was put down to a Wampa attack.
I thought it was a good idea when I was ten but without the Wampa sub-plot the effect would possibly be to bring more attention to itself.
It never made the movie so I guess it was dis-reguarded as irrelevant .... Looks like they had enough problems just doing the battle footage without adding anymore in.... The fact the probe discovers the shield was enough to convey the message and lead to the invasion.
It just fell over on the Invasion, I never thought about it that much until I pulled the footage apart.... Do you think it would help to have distinguishing marks on which group of AT-AT's you were looking at? So you would know where you are in the battle somewhat because it is all snow and blue sky....
Actually this WAS in the script but was cut. It occurs as the probe droid find the shield generator but then detects a Rebel sensor Station 38 (like the ones that Luke and Han were putting out at the beginning of the movie, which you don't see... lol "sensors are in place I'm going back") and the probe ends up destroying it. So when the scene cuts to the interior of Echo Base where there guy says "Sensors have pick up something Zone 12, moving east" there was suppose to be some smoking ruin of a sensor station as the probe was masking it's trail unsuccessfully... Here it is from the ESB script:
HAN
It isn't friendly, whatever it is. Come on, Chewie, let's check it out. RIEEKAN Send Rogues Ten and Eleven to station three-eight. EXT. HOTH - SNOW PLAIN - DAY The dark probe robot moves past the smoldering ruins of station three- eight and down a ridge toward the Rebel base. It raises a large antenna from the top of its head and begins to send out a piercing signal. The probe droid has spotted Chewbacca who, not thirty feet away, has popped his head over a snow bank. Instantly, the probe robot swings around, its deadly ray ready to fire. But before it can get a shot off, it is hit from behind by a laser bolt, and explodes in a million pieces.
I love it when trash gets taken out... (oh fierfek... how did I get here. ^^) Hope everyone is well! =)
Bingowings said:
Ming I don't think that post is helpful, in fact it's very snotty.
Saying that of Angel is like saying all the work you have been doing for Ady is just to get your face on a Star Wars film.
Palpable nonsense.
You are trying to help in your way and he is trying to help in his way.
Just because something is posted here it doesn't mean Ady has to do it.
He can just say thanks but no and that the end of it.
I applaud the work you put in but I applaud the work Angel does.
I applaud the work Ady does and the fact that thanks to Jay we can all gather here and share it and the work of loads of creative people on these boards even if their soul goal is to make us laugh.
Mmm... snotty... yeah sure. Do I care? lol... not in the least. I have my own reasons for doing this. Overall, there's information and such folks have not been privy to. Therefore of course it sounds like non-sense to you but it makes perfect sense to someone here... Starts with a V... I'll let you guess who.
Well... this seems to be disintegrating into a furball. ^^ And I'm not the cause for once... =D Although I think I'll add to it for the fun of it knowing most likely I'll be banned... but what the heck, it'll save Ady some sanity I hope.
As such, I'm gonna throw this out there cos this is really what I think as I've heard lots about this in general. I overall have no interest in what anyone here thinks of me or care to interfere... and this is how I roll overall. It's a message board... ooo... I'm really shaking now concerning opinions...
I am, however, Ady's friend... and so as such...
Vaderios, stop asking for/suggesting Lucas-level unnecessary additions that add nothing to story or the integrity of these classic movies. The bulk of your suggestions/renders feed your own need for the spotlight here otherwise you would of taken your over colored, overly brighten, overly sharpened, overly rendered mock ups and made YOUR OWN group to post on.
In fact, I highly suggest it as you seem to have a small following of your own and all, then maybe you can make YOUR OWN edit. If you're SO good then it should be easy for such a talent as yourself to create your own revisited rather than latch on to the coat tails of Adywan here. That's sounds good to me... Vaderio's Revisited. Good luck with that...
More over, if you continue your actions here as mere "suggestions" and are butting heads with Ady... More or less, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, this is a hint eh? Sure your pictures are shiny/colorfully pretty just like any one picture can be looking nice with enough time and dedication... but I've yet to see them move from you. I think that's kinda key to any film really... The whole making them move thing... So for all you guys "ohhhhing" and "ahhhhing" over an amazing Vaderios mock up... perhaps all of you should also consider the technical ramifications of making such ideas work in MOVEMENT and the over all cost of these things in general to make them MOVE.
Oh wait... only a few of us do... cos Ady pays for the bulk of this on his own (as well as generous donations from fans who want to see a better Star Wars for us all) to improve or enhance things without going Lucas-level uber (or Vaderios-level uber) but he does it so tactfully the bulk of us barely notice. Therefore you're like, oh it's so clear but it looks like Ady didn't do much. Think again people... There is always a cost to make these MOVING effects even if it's just "clearer" and such while making it look amazing and more over... FREE for the bulk of us.
I've also noticed on several occasions that Ady would ask how you did something or how something in your mock up was achieved. I'd personally consider it the height of collaboration with Adywan if he asked me to "open the help files" to improve something we all love. However, you tend to give vague cheeky answers and more or less hint at a trade of information and the like. Perhaps a exclusive clip... Perhaps an exclusive picture... doesn't matter, as long as it's something no one else has seen. My guess, it's an ego thing, it caters to your need to feel special to have something no one else has or can see. As is the bulk of your mock ups... ohhh.... ahhhh...
Regardless, since Ady is hesitant to release such information to you (because if you're bold enough to offer a "trade" concerning information/clip, who knows what you'd trade this for with others eh?Duh...). Your only recourse now cos you're NOT getting anything is to undermine Ady's work when ever you can without opening saying what you want is credit that is not rightfully yours. This is blatantly apparent.
Now, obviously I don't post here usually cos really... I've seen and dealt with too many things like this in other groups. However, for Ady's continuation of this project without you for the next 5 films would be a blessing and I think a lil exercising of cancer is in order before it metastasis further...
Take a good look at the title of this group.
"STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN**
No where does it say Vaderios... if you're as good as your think you are then start your own revisited and leave Ady in peace. Your suggestions are impractical to with what Ady has in mind and more over unaccepted. Get the hint...
Bye all! Happy holidays! ^^
gurgle1624 said:
Rouge Leader said: So I don't understand this dramatic objection as it helps no one nor Revisited.
Wow, I didnt read the objection to the subject as dramatic at all, maybe you are taking things a bit to personal. I took the comment as a jest.
If anything your the one who came on with the arrogance and dramatic comments that we have come to know you by. Sorry if that's to harsh but I've been reading this thread over and over just to stay on top of things and most of your comments get personal if anyone say's anything about the EU that's in disagreement with you.
Maybe other's dont want to ruffle your feathers because of your working relationship with the great Ady but like you I speak my mind. Maybe you should be more tolerent of other's when they voice their opinion on the EU and not reply with such contempt and arrogence. You may know alot on the EU (and that's commendable) but you dont have to berate someone for disagreeing with you.
I'm sorry if this offends you but like you (again) I see no reason to take something out of context and berate someone else's opinion.
It's funny how you posted: "...Object all you want, but prepare for an very long reply which takes away from concentrating on Revisited... It's probably better to PM me of your objection(s) concerning me/EU... Then I can just reply in kind. I look forward to them. ^^".....you want to people to reply to you in the PM but you didnt reply in PM to the person(s) who brought up the subject. I look at it like this...if you reply on the thread for everyone to see then they should have the right to reply to you in kind.
Just my humble opinion and I'm sure other's feel the same even if they dont voice it publicly.
Oh by the way make sure you PM me if you want a reply...;-)
Actually dont PM me cause I'm done with the subject. Now to make this Revisted related....I love Ady's work so far on the ESB:R and can't wait to see more and the new pic is awsome.
lol... points taken, and you're right, I'm absolutely arrogant. I never said I wasn't. Not offended in the least at that cos if ego could power shields I'd be invincible. ^^ If I didn't have that demeanor I wouldn't be confident in my words or actions to help Ady in any capacity, other than possibly posting suggestions and arguing pointless points here. That in itself is okay but I rather be driven by such arrogance to do more if not the impossible. Why? because in all honestly you need a lot of ego to feel even remotely confident that you can help someone improve one of the greatest movies of all time and not just for yourself, but for everyone.
Therefore, very much so, I think that arrogance is a pre-requisite, along with bravery and courage to follow through with such actions and to stick to your word. So I'll stick by mine which was the point of my reply previously.... I didn't take offense to having the EU insulted, but the way it was done. Some people considering an amazing extension of the universe, as others don't care. Either way that's fine, however, what didn't like was having something I said taken to promote such negativity about the EU. Say what ever you want about the EU but if you're gonna quote me the I'd prefer to just have such reply sent to me via PM because I'm more than glad to take it directly. Saying it openly only stirs pointless conversation for the sole sake of debating it when other things concerning Revisited are more pressing. As does rattling off useless facts about the EU here which I am doing my best to keep in check... unless someone forces the issue using something I say which then automatically inclines me to retort to defend my own statement. So that's "arrogance"... interesting. Ah well...
Admiral, I'll be at the 2ndary base. ^^ I'll keep an eye out here but I think it's easier to run ops there. ;)
Bingowings said:
Maybe the medical droid is just chatting to Luke about the evacuation to make him feel better and to check he is fit enough for flight duty (he did take quite a bump to his head recently and behind the wheel of a snowspeeder he could be more dangerous than useful if he hadn't sufficiently recovered).
It makes more sense than having a surgeon and a nurse droid in a military briefing as in ROTJ (it's stretching things having that fussy uncamouflaged protocol droid on the Endor raid, even if he did later become useful and they must have better and more portable military scanners than a loud and very visable astrodroid).
There are military protocol units. They're charged with quartermaster duty and procurement. M-3PO units also know all military regs which at this point in the Rebellion they're loosely obeyed... =D
Yes, a shiny gold droid really does kinda take away from commando level insertion into enemy territory. ^^
doubleofive said:
Angry Imrahil, is angry.Imrahil said:
Rogue Leader said:I thought we addressed this? There's no way that "T-47s" are snowspeeders, EU be damned. They're some kind of heavy equipment that a MEDICAL DROID is interested in loading, and can't. Does that make sense as a snowspeeder? Of course not. BAD EU! BAD!
Actually as the last fighter group out of there that would make sense. Maybe show a ditched T-47 snowspeeder somewhere in the background as it would take too long to load them apparently. ;)
While I do agree that it makes no sense for a Medical Droid to be interested in snowspeeders, its ok for Rogue Leader to refer to them by their EU name.
Mmm... "EU be damned..." lol... I could care less if you dislike the EU, object my use of it, or what have you... I never once suggested adding more EU to Revisited if that where this objection is coming from (but I have said that sometimes Ady's additions supports the EU inadvertently, not on purpose, nor have I suggested anything as such to Ady for adding more...). Regardless, it was understood what I meant so the point was clear and that is the bottom line, that my communication was understandable. So I don't understand this dramatic objection as it helps no one nor Revisited.
Actually why can't medical droid be interested in military evacuation procedures? The entire Rebellion is a military op, even a medical droid who's in the service of the military is perfectly entitled to question even minor things about the topic of the day: getting the fierfek off of Hoth... We see 3PO bitch and whine about all kinds of stuff on a variety of topics. How they hell does a protocol droid know that navigating and asteroid field is 3720 to 1? Perhaps 2-1B concern about space in the transports and doing things efficiently so that there is room for medical equipment (actually he IS medical equipment) and avoiding a logistical nightmare... Sounds reasonable to me.
Perhaps your objection is with the word "modules"... No... they can't be snowspeeder aka T-47s. Although, just for fun let's pick this apart. The word module can relate to the word "modular" in which leads to the idea of modularity, which means:
Snowspeeder (I'll use your terms, for now, as not cause further objections) are based off of standard military class speeder. They have been MODIFIED to work in the snow (or do I have to quote several lines from ESB to support this...) and therefore their design is.... wait for it.... wait.... MODULAR (mmm... this one thinks "modified" maybe related to modular or modules... interesting). That is not EU, that is in the movies and thus canon. Furthermore, there are many kinds of speeders which are typically named with a prefix of the type of environment they are being used in ie swampspeeder, skyspeeder, sandspeeder, oh and our fav... snowspeeder. That is EU mostly, although it makes sense to me, sorry if it's too complex or overly EU, but like I said I don't care about such objections. Heh, I guess if I don't care, I'm not sorry then... sorry bout that. =P
So in my opinion the T-47 could be the snowspeeder and "smaller modules into the transports" mean something like snowspeeder bikes? I don't see why not... Maybe they couldn't get them to work but they could pack'em up and use'em else where, thus "getting the smaller modules in to the transports". Mmmm... "but we don't SEE speeder bikes..." some would say... no we don't... but we know they exist (at least on the Imperial side lol). In a galaxy full of fun and fancy repulsor tech why use a smelly bipedal animals (other than the cool/interesting factor)? Mmm... ah well. In my mind it make sense... then again I am slightly crazy... =D So whatever.
If you have a problem with the way I phrase things... err.. I was gonna say "sorry" again but then we've established that I ain't. ^^ Therefore... meh. Object all you want, but prepare for an very long reply which takes away from concentrating on Revisited... It's probably better to PM me of your objection(s) concerning me/EU... Then I can just reply in kind. I look forward to them. ^^
Thanks OO5, I have a more round about way of making my points... Wish I could make it short and sweet but I'm neither of those. XD
PS I could of gone into the several models of Incom craft designations that start have "T-##" but that may cause more discussion not related to Revisited. PM! =D
adywan said:
New pic time.
There's still a lot more to do with this shot yet but here's how it's coming along (right click>view image to see it a little larger)
The Rogues will be more than happy to give the last two cruisers out of the Hoth System an escort. ^^
Actually as the last fighter group out of there that would make sense. Maybe show a ditched T-47 snowspeeder somewhere in the background as it would take too long to load them apparently. ;)
Radi0n said:
Matticon said:
Rogue Leader said:
Radi0n said:
Darth Editous said:
You're telling me that if you are wearing (sun)glasses while sitting in a chair, when you turn around your shoulder/the chair will push them up on your face such that they don't sit on your nose properly? I doubt it.
Have you tried that while strapped into the chair, and wearing a lifejacket and crash helmet? ;)
DE
My two cents is, it's probably because of the collar on his jumpsuit. No?
As probably the only one here who owns the helmet, flight suit, and Hoth jacket I can hopefully clear somethings up. The collar is pretty stiff can alter the angle of the helmet when wearing it. With limited mobility being strapped in also means movement in the chair is limited and a helmet visor bumping into things can happen easily. I've sat down in all my gear and all kinds of things shift out of place just by doing that motion alone. Again... I only can confirm this cos I own these items. ^^
Does anyone else find that Yoda in the top shelf of the closet a little creepy? ;)
Matticon
How would you feel? The real deal is tucked away in a plastic bag while a Disney Mickey version gets to roam free on the top shelve! :)
That's a Celebration 3 Yoda that I didn't want collecting dust so it remained incased in its' carbonite, I mean plastic bag. ^^ Jedi Mickey was a gift and there are several variants of that particular plush mickey. Although this is my favorite version: 
Ripplin said:
Rogue Leader said:
Again... I only can confirm this cos I own these items. ^^
Again, we're impressed, ok? Happy?! ;)
=D
Radi0n said:
Darth Editous said:
You're telling me that if you are wearing (sun)glasses while sitting in a chair, when you turn around your shoulder/the chair will push them up on your face such that they don't sit on your nose properly? I doubt it.
Have you tried that while strapped into the chair, and wearing a lifejacket and crash helmet? ;)
DE
My two cents is, it's probably because of the collar on his jumpsuit. No?
As probably the only one here who owns the helmet, flight suit, and Hoth jacket I can hopefully clear somethings up. The collar is pretty stiff can alter the angle of the helmet when wearing it. With limited mobility being strapped in also means movement in the chair is limited and a helmet visor bumping into things can happen easily. I've sat down in all my gear and all kinds of things shift out of place just by doing that motion alone. Again... I only can confirm this cos I own these items. ^^
adywan said:
It's actually a problem with the main element of the shot. I just can't find the exact cloud shot i need and the ones i tried cloud city looks like a cartoon. I've got the first 3 artbeats cloud fly-thru dvds but i just can't find the exact shot. It's more do do with me being a perfectionist really. I did find 1 perfect one but the sun was in the completely wrong direction :(
I'm going to put it to one side for the moment and concentrate on other things
Is that all? lol Who says that Cloud City doesn't rotate? As well as the Falcon changing direction to compensate for a moving floating city thus accounting for the sun being in different places.^^ I dunno I don't think anyone should be subjected to figure out the geometry of the sun in relation to Falcon, in relation to clouds, in relation to Cloud City... lol,
I think the fly thru the way you set it after the new panning shot is perfection. The things leading up to the panning shot need work like the Falcon and the cloud cars should be disrupting the clouds as they go through... However, all in all, everything from the panning shot is spectacular... Come back to it later if it's not to your standards but overall it looks crazy awesome. Don't too hard on yourself mate but thank you for being such a perfectionist!
If you need some feedback concerning the footage post a clip on the "Secondary" communication channel I set up for the Rogues for Revisited if it's a matter of operational security. If you do work on other stuff in the mean time, may I suggest certain Hoth props may take your mind off things? ^^ teehee
Radi0n said:
As such, I agree with Rogue Leader.
I say we drop the whole thing, and put faith in what Ady does.
We've done it once before, and look at the sheer quality of what he gave us.Trust in Ady, and let him (and this useless debate) be.
May the Force be with him. (Corny, I know)Jaitea said:
The Devastator needed to disable the Tantive 4 with a blast in order to pull it in, and that was in persuit, with that in mind would a tractor beam be that effective in capturing vessels accelerating towards them when they were almost static?
Also remember the scenes that follow with the pursuit of the Falcon...
J
If anything, in my opinion, it would be easier as they're moving towards them, and could therefore use their momentum to pull them in easier. No?
Tractor beams are most effective when a ship is slowed down in the first place. As the transports and it's escort are hauling ass to get out of the Hoth System a tractor beam trying stop it would be highly ineffective. If capture was the plan like Tantive IV their best hope is to disable their shields as much as possible and target the engines OR hope that the ship being shot at transfers power from weapons and engines to reinforce it's shields slowing it down enough for a tractor capture. Then it's ground and pound with ion canons... At least those would be the tactics I'd pursue. Either way, it involves shooting at the transport. Yay turbolasers. ^^
A B C said:
Rogue Leader said:
... This has become rather pointless.
Perhaps BmB just tried to explain his point of view in front of the overall snow ball chain reactions.
The discussion may even be interesting if people stopped thinking "I'm right - You're wrong - I'm right - You're wrong" as well as seeing offenses in every word they read !
Damn ! Why reading a disagreement here by an unkown person always make your heads explose and pump your egos ?!
Discussion is one thing, pressing a moot unpopular point is another. Furthermore, as discussions like these have disintegrate into furballs before I can safely say that Ady has better things to do concerning ESB Revisited or recoup, rather than countering extremely started retorts. "I'm gonna freak if I don't see such and such added" etc... no your not, calm the fierfek down.
I would also like to say that forcing such issues is not conducive to Ady's stress levels and we all know about his overall condition. It's never fun to restate reasoning or being on the defensive because someone won't let go of an issue. This stopped being a discussion a while ago and turned into a extremely pointless debate. I only check these boards every few days for this reason. Not saying debate its bad, but it's the manner it's carried out... with extreme words and harsh criticism leads to anger and the like... Reminds me of politics actually... Anyway, bottom line is that we all care about this movie, that much is clear, but it is the manner in which ideas/suggestion/criticisms are offered that is often the problem... it should be civil, not extreme, other wise it escalates quite easily.
I am easily guilty about pressing a point too far and I do what I can to improve upon that. The EU for example... I'm well aware Ady doesn't give a care about the EU when it comes to Revisited. However, it just so happens that Ady's additions is in correlation to the EU in some cases. Why? Because the EU also attempts to give validity to Lucas's mess in its own way much like Ady's Revisited gives validity to the OTs continuity and overall look (ie Blue ion canon).
Regardless, I have debated with Ady on points as well and we have never disintegrated into saying extreme things because there is always a measure of respect and trust. If we can foster that ideal in what we all say here then discussions can happen without the "I'm right, your wrong" mentality. No one is ever really right, nor is anyone really wrong, but Ady in the end has the final say, cos this is his edit. It is IMPOSSIBLE for us all to agree all the time, but it is perfectly okay to agree to disagree.
Oh... and if ego could power shields, I'd be invincible. ^^
euroherbal said:
I like Ady's version indeed, but... did anybody consider the possibility that the Imps wanted the Rebels alive and just tried to catch them with a tractor beam as they passed by? That could explain why they were sitting there and not firing at all :)
He does say "our first catch of the day"... It's possible I suppose. ^^
adywan said:
I don't just add these things because they might look cool you know. Everything i do is carefully planned out. And things i have added that later on i don't think works, no matter how much time i may have worked on a shot or how good i think it may look, it will get removed. For instance adding the TIE's firing at the falcon firing the Asteroid scene. I really liked it and so did a lot of other people but it just didn't work as there was too much going on in that scene with them added. Without them it showed just how dangerous the flight through the asteroid field was as the TIE pilots couldn't concentrate on both avoiding smashing into the asteroids and targeting and firing at the falcon at the same time. So that didn't work and it was omitted. But this isn't one of those scenes.
It just so happens that the stuff you add looks cool as a bonus Admiral. ^^ Alrighty... There are several things that are justifiable about the changes Ady has done AND some of these are supported by the EU as well and I will reframe as much as possible from unleashing EU fully... =D
Someone earlier said something about the color of the ion cannon... Lemme get that one first: The ion cannon (I could of said the KDY v-150 Planet Defender class ion cannon... see how good I'm being?! ^^) is suppose to be blue, ion cannons have been established in ANH as blue with electrical discharging sparks. Recall R2 being shot in the canyon by the jawa: blue. In X-wing and TIE fighter the games: blue. Now ion cannon in Revisited: BLUE! yay! ^^ Considering how much blue Ady has removed from ESB maybe he thought he'd add some back with some hot ionized blasting awesomeness.
Now... along the lines of surrounding the planet "so nothing gets off the system"... THANK YOU ADY! Unless you want to restore it back to ESB like in Something Something Darkside... Leia/Loise: "We are not evacuating into space, with literally infinite directions to flee but we have decided to fly directly at that one star destroyer..."
The imperial fleet looks awesome now surrounding the planet just waiting and stalking. As the transport and her escorts come up they are now fired upon which makes so much more sense. They're out to lay waste to the Rebels, they're called the Death Squadron for a reason... (oh crap... EU.) So having the SD frag at least 1 of it's escorts does make sense because really... it's war and further more this is Star Wars... a rebel ship of some sort has to blow up. lol... (I'd also add a couple of hits on the Medium transport as well cos it's a huge target as well... but that's me...). Anyway, they fly a straight course backed up by ion cannon shot and now are seen hyping out of the system which adds futher awesome to "The first transport is away". There's your small victory really, the Rebellion will continue, some small hopeful Rebels escape the Empire with the people and weapons to continue the fight and if that is the ONLY ship that makes it out then at least the Rebellion will continue.
I could go into hyperspace exit vectors concerning the near by asteriod field and thus ship positioning around the planet is predetermined to further limit the rebel's escape vectors but I hope it doesn't go there... Riiiiight? Now let Ady get back to his awesomeness and/or rest. This has become rather pointless.
A B C said:
... Cute! :)
Ah! Yotsubato! XD
So what's the debate now? I've been on Endor scouting for the last couple of days... ^^ Ion Cannon is it? It's awesome the end... My two credits. I'll spare everyone the EU fun this time. ;)
Chewtobacca said:
Rogue Leader, that is a fascinating article, but it has nothing to do with ESB:R. If you posted it in general Star Wars discussion, I would love to discuss it there!
I think it's relevant actually. Gary Kurtz had a different vision from GL that was driven more by story and strong characters and more importantly made sense (Kinda like our Ady here... ^^).
I think had Kurtz been the one to win out with the direction of ROTJ that Luke and Leia WOULD NOT be sibling, and Han (as noble of a character he becomes at the end really doesn't have more to offer in the way of character development) would of been killed off adding to the desperation during the battle of Endor, and the Falcon as it relates to Han as well would of gone out in a blaze of glory destroying the second Death Star. Showing that in all war even Star Wars, sacrifice is apart of freedom.
A very interesting article with Gary Kurtz:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/08/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer.html
adywan said:
I think i've found out a way to fix the repeated yell problem without having to use the original gurgling version:
Loooooooooooooooooooooool... ^^
vaderios said:
No need :) I wouldnt be meaningless..
No need for fights or debates either. its summer ;)
My apologies for my tone here. No hard feelings :D
-Angel
Low tide and calm waters... forget about it.
vaderios said:
Rogue Leader said:
First of all... if the EU or SW.com doesn't count as "answers" then what does? To fill in the blanks that the movies don't cover is what the EU is out there for and it is an area of battle in which I know extensively...
Secondly... from your wording, I get a sense of the movies being the end all and be all concerning the saga in terms of canon information... If that is the case then why are we in a forum concerning CHANGING things in the movie and making things as continuitous as possible?
but the characters they portray are the same age and younger than the real actors age. That is an established fact concerning the movies we do get from the movies...
Answers that comes only from the movie. Things you got it only from it. Ady himself said that OT was superior from PT because you got whats going on on screen and never run to any sw.com and search there what is supposed to going on, onscreen. EU is so unstarwars-y because it explains everything like star trek or any other sci fi movie. Star wars movies dont do that.! We dont know what fuel the ships are burning we dont know where they sleep or eat or or or...All these are useless explanations.If beru throws a vegetable in what she was cooking then thats it. No need to listen "go and gather spacecarrots that have spacevitamins from the vaporators." Or when a random dude fills the an xwing in ANH, im sure they will finaly say"(place name here, and lets have his backstory) filled the t-65 x-wing with 10 gallons or spacefuel that was rare on yavin and contains spaceoctane. Thats why if you remember i tried to make a list of what we know only from the movies and not from any other source.. EU is Rick Olie of the star wars saga...
Secondly im coming from an other "school" or whatever you can call it. I like changing things for the sake of it. Thats why i like to OTize the PT or the opposite around or just messing with changes. To me they are just movies and an interesting playground to play with.
Thats why i said that Leia IMO looks like 25 and and not 21 or 18 in the movies. IMO always
Anyways back to ESB:R
-Angel
"IMO"... right... concerning your language in your statements you were throwing out the idea that because of your objection to the EU or what not, that they bear no relevance to the previous conversation of Princess Leia being a military leader in the Rebel Alliance. IMO it does...
No, I don't think this information needs to be relayed IN the movies to the audience as GL now feels this needs to explain everything he's done more recently which is retarded. However, your mocking tone at this point only serves to degrade this conversation into a furball I do not wish to participate in... not here anyway.
I was only offering the explanation to someone else that the movie does not, not fully anyway, and it's sole purpose was to counter a rather wrong idea (also IMO) to cut Leia's briefing the troops on Hoth, not debate the merit of EU in Revisited. You wanna go head to head against me on the merits of EU or lack there of I'm game anytime, anywhere (including here if you wish to force the issue further than you already have)... but interjecting for the sole sake of bashing the EU cos some consider it viable is arrogance regardless of what "school" you come from.
No, I don't think the EU should be in Revisited, NOT AT ALL. However, it IS an arena in which I know incredibly well and can directly relate into the movies because it does have it's good points. There are a lot of points I don't like in EU either but I'm not gonna bash anyone that do.
I do agree that this does not help Ady what so ever so let's take this to PMs Angel... As I said, I'm more than game.
I apologize to everyone else for this pointless show.
vaderios said:
Imrahil said:
She was 18, wasn't she? Hamill was 25.
We dont know that dont we? ;)
Tell me if am i wrong but we never get a clear definition how many years passed through the episodes (ignoring the the visual growing up of characters) dont we?
EU or starwars.com doesnt count as answers or sources.
-Angel
First of all... if the EU or SW.com doesn't count as "answers" then what does? To fill in the blanks that the movies don't cover is what the EU is out there for and it is an area of battle in which I know extensively...
Secondly... from your wording, I get a sense of the movies being the end all and be all concerning the saga in terms of canon information... If that is the case then why are we in a forum concerning CHANGING things in the movie and making things as continuitous as possible?
Mark Hamill may have been 25 and Carrie 21 (points in which I can honestly say I don't care about and therefore don't actually know) but the characters they portray are the same age and younger than the real actors age. That is an established fact concerning the movies we do get from the movies...
Lastly... I was bring up informational points to end a ridiculous debate on weather or not Leia's character/Carrie's role should be cut as a military leader and if she's experienced enough to be such a leader. That is directly related to a person's age along with the age of Luke as they are twins. The Star Wars universe is obviously more advance that our lil planet so experience in terms of age is younger in their galaxy (albeit NOT REAL GALAXY). Look at the dynamics of our own planet. Kids now a days know way more than their predecessors from what they were taught in school... Accessing information is easier than ever and kids are literally forced to grow up a lil faster and therefore mature faster to be competitive in todays world. Star Wars experience is like that but several times more intense as tech and knowledge there is far better to the point were a young person has the educational background in a variety of fields to be leaders.
I could care less if you don't consider the EU/SW.com as informational sources. None of this is "real" anyway... However many people DO keep track and want to have things make sense. Otherwise, once again... why are we in this forum...
Alright gentlmen... Let me end your debate on what military roll Leia has in the Rebel Alliance right now. Princess Leia definitely does hold military rank, HOWEVER, the royal title of "Princess" out ranks any title in the military so that doesn't matter. As you see from the picture above Leia has a rank badge on her left breast pocket. She IS military... that much is certain.
As to what level of military rank... that is very debatable because it's never mentioned but I think it's akin to how the President of the United States is "Commander and Chief" but tactics wise and military doctrine he doesn't possess those skill sets outright and would need to be briefed and advised by those who are career military leaders ie General Riekian. Leia I'd say is second in command of the Alliance armed forces only behind Mon Mothma with the available information I have. Therefore technically, I'd say she out ranks the senior officer General Riekian at Echo Base.
As whether she is qualified to give a basic military briefing... This is a woman who was elected to the senate at age 18 and thus speaking in high pressure situations comes naturally. Militarily speaking, I'm pretty sure in a off screen military briefings they had layed out the contingencies for evacuation along with plans of action even prior to Riekian even giving the official order to "begin the evacuation:. Thus relaying the basic jist of the evacuation plan to a bunch of snub fighter jockeys is not a problem from someone of Leia's caliber especially if they've discussed such a plan as a preconditioned tactic.
The Rebel Alliance always prepares their bases as mobile units along with pre-planned evacuation procedures. Such things are generally on a need to know bases restricted to high ranking officers and high ranking leaders of the Alliance. Otherwise, you'd just have a chaotic bunch of guys with guns cramming whatever into ships without any coodination at all.
