_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
So, at the end, do exist open-matte HD versions of JP1 and JP2? If so, which are they?
I don't know the name of the masters, but they are the source for the 2D BD.
Both the WOWOW and the BD are doubly cropped (once from the 1.85 to 1.78, then from that 1.78 to 1.85 by putting black bars). Then end result being the edge is cropped out!
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I have not (yet) the WOWOW files, as this is only an idea, and (still?) not a future project.
Please explain: why I should use LD audio only with open matte sources?
And, regarding the 3D BD of JP1: if all my project is based onto the fact that the LD has better color grading than the BD, and you agreed and liked my project, why now the 3D BD has accurate color grading?!?
I definitely liked your project a lot (and still do)! There's no doubt in that! As it was an extensive restoration of JP, with its original wider framing and the excellent DTS audio! The colour was better than the bluish DVD and Bluray! You put so much effort, and as a fellow JP fan how can I not appreciate it genuinely?
But when I saw the 3D BD the only plus point was the original colour timing and the detail (obviously a 4K scan would have lot of detail). And the 3D BD had cropped too much out of the original framing, resulting in cut-off heads of dinos!
Regarding why you should use LD audio with open-matte source-
because it combines the best of both worlds!
For JP the 1.78:1 HDTV or WOWOW source is only selectively open-matte (during the CG scenes) The standard scenes are all cropped at the sides (from a wider print) to 1.78:1. Even the CG scenes though they have more image at the top and the bottom(not all cg scenes) they lose tiny amout on the right hand side. So if you use the matted BD print or matted wowow print (1.85:1) Then what you are getting is a print that has been initially cropped from a 1.85:1 master to 1.78:1, then has been further cropped to 1.85:1 by putting black bars on top of that already cropped 1.78:1 version (the CG scenes will be taller mind you, some of them at least)!
So the best option (if you want a very good HD version of JP) would be to use an open-matte print (which'll have the same height as the laserdisc) and use the DTS Laserdisc audio!
But with TLWJP its a different story!
The open-matte HDTV version (of TLW) is both taller and wider than the Laserdisc, DVD and BD! I imagine the WOWOW source to have the same open-matte framing!
First of all, how will you get a copy of WOWOW transfer? Second, it doesn't contain as wide a framing as the laserdisc versions do!
Some of the CG scenes are better in the HDTV versions, the WOWOW version is also such a master used for the HDTV and the BD maybe as the framing is very similar.
You can definitely use WOWOW source for TLWJP if its open-matte (1.78:1) and not 1.85:1. For the 1.85:1 BD version is already there!
Only if you are thinking of using the open-matte source, use the LD audio, otherwise it'll be a waste of time and money(electric bills)
Is the WOWOW source for both JP and TLW open-matte? If you have it, then please send me a screen-shot of the last scene when the Rex roars inside the lobby!
About the Colour-grading, none of the previous home-video versions have the right colour!
Only the 3D BD has the more accurate colour-grading, apart from a few shots! So, the 3D BD should be your reference point!
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Ciao Papai, I'm happy to hear you! I'm fine; finally here we could "breath" a bit, after really hot days! About JP extras: please forgive me, but I don't think to release them soon, as I'm planning several other interesting projects...
Great!
And about the extras- let me know when you're planning to do those!
And please empty your inbox, I am not able to send you PMs!
I am myself planning on creating a hybrid edition of Jurassic Park. Can you tell me which softwares should I use for editing video/audio and can I adjust aspect ratios in those editing platforms?
Though I use Adobe premiere for making short trailers and clips, it won't support a full movie as the rendering time will be overkill!
Ciao Andrea!
So how are you?
How's the weather in Italy of late? Here it's very hot( notTHAT kind of 'hot', he he)!
When are you planning on making the extras (THX, DOLBY etc trailers, making of, disc cover-art/jacket scans) available for us?
And what is your next major project?
Please let us know!
-Papai
Yes the "FIXED" torrent works with the old data.
Delete the original torrent(not the data), then re-download the new torrent file on the same destination path, and it'll start a re-checking, then start downloading!
Oh, the Sound is also very good, as usual!
I was going through the Laserdisc version of TLW:JP here, and having compared it both with the HDTV and Bluray versions, I found no extra image in the Laserdisc version.
Infact, the Laserdisc and the current JP2 Bluray have the same framing. Maybe the Bluray gains a bit on the left and the LD one gains a bit on the right, like so. And the difference is so microscopic that its hardly something to be bothered about. The height is the same.
I will even go as far as to say that the framing of both LD and BD are the exact same, as my eyes may have tricked me into seeing a difference which isn't there! There is no noticeable difference in framing as identifiable as with the Jurassic Park LD and BD. The HDTV version is taller than both the versions.
I haven't check'd the sound though. I'll let you folks know after I've gone through it in a detailed manner.
Video Quality: Wonderful! Great restoration!
Congrats on finishing this long project! I imagine it must have been frustrating at times. Great that you've finished it! Will be downloading it soon!
Take a break from the computer for some time, and enjoy a nice holiday in the lap of nature, countryside perhaps? You need it! It'll rejuvenate and refresh you.
Then you can come back and release the THX, Dolby and DTS logo trailers on the laserdiscs of JP and TLW:JP, and the high-res scans of the Laserdisc Cover arts of both.
How is it coming Andrea? Haven't heard from you a long time?
Jetrell Fo said:
I DO have the theater DTS for this one as well as III.
Great! You can share it with us!
Good!
I don't think its necessary to capture the mono track because None of the Jurassic Park films were designed to be heard in mono. JP, as I heard was released in 5 channel Dolby and 6 channel DTS, was it not? The Lost World was also released in Dolby SR prints and DTS prints.
The clip is much better, but you have to De-Interlace it. When the T-Rex stops near the edge of the city and roars, do a step forwarding (frame by frame), you'll notice the NTSC interlaced lines (around the jaws of the Rex) . Now they are still visible after I applied the de-interlace filter in VLC, that means you have to create a solid de-interlacing script in Avisynth and Virtualdub. The de-interlace script has to be strong and effective so the interlace lines aren't visible. Because every time there is movement, these interlaced lines will be distracting to watch.
Let me know!
And thanks for that designation. Glad to have helped!
I hope so too!
BTW, if the Pal video doesn't work or creates the problems that I previously stated here (zagged lines), then try to capture the video from the NTSC DTS and NTSC AC3 laserdiscs and see how they look compared to the PAL one.
All the best!
Ok...
I am Back!
Well, how's the progress?
The clip was better. But the lines are visible, only minutely. Not a big problem now. Look closely and you can see.
I will be out of town for two days.
Its alright yaar (means "friend"), you don't have to apologize for this small error. Its okay you have fixed it, no problem. Besides remember, this is your project, it is because of your effort that we are getting it, so we're all thankful to you for that! A little error can occur, the thing is to fix it. And I'm glad to have been of help to you!
Just saw the clip now- The lines are still visible, though video looks better and less hazier now. What's the deal with those "lines", this didn't happen in Jurassic Park project, why in this? See if you can find a way around this problem.
If you're putting one video on top of another, then I think the aligning is not coming perfect. See if you can do anything.
The second video had better quality yes, but the aspect ratio was shorter in height. As in, it had thicker black bars vertically than 1.85 should have on a 16:9 screen. I'm dwnldng the orig capture clip now. Try the NTSC and see.
There are some IVTC guides in the internet, look up google search. You'll also find google videos.
Yes, try to reduce the noise reduction to the level of JP[rules] version! Here the picture looks too smooth, and hazy!
So don't worry, we will wait. Just take your time and try to do a less aggressive "video noise reduction" next time.
Also, see if you can find a better video source (preferably PAL) from a friend or someone around. But if PAL is like this, look at NTSC as the next best option. An NTSC CAV disc perhaps. Is the AC3 LD a CAV one or CLV? The DTS is surely CLV. And you can use Tranzor's Japanese LD video as well if it has better quality.
The THX certified Laserdiscs have better quality, even if they are NTSC, try to make some captures of the Video fro the NTSC THX discs(both DTS and AC3) and see which looks better compared to the PAL one. And do as little noise reduction as possible, without sacrificing much detail, unlike what happened with the PAL video.
Also, I noticed in the second video, the aspect ratio is much shorter in height than what 1.85:1 should be on a 16:9 screen.
My computer has a problem with sound so can't hear the soundtracks.
Papai was right, as he was referring to what I've written in the first post, in the project info: this is true for JP1, but not for JP2... infact, during the JP2 captures, I noted that the PAL laserdisc this time has not fades in/out, but just a cut, so there is no need for NTSC video - I updated the first post to reflect this.Its all explained by the undertaker...
Didn't know I was a funeral director... or am I a WWE fighter? (^^,)
Ha ha ha, no no, by undertaker I meant one who undertook a project, in this case you. I knew this was bound to cause some confusion, he he.
In JP2 PAL disc, by "cut" I assume you are talking about a stop without fade rather than the end of the scene cut out, right?
Jetrell Fo said:
I cannot speak for Andrea, nor do I wish to. It is my belief that the extras you are asking for were left of the first project so they could be added (maybe) later in an updated version. I believe that this is the same way Andrea is looking to proceed again as it keeps production time to a minimum allowing the release to be quicker. I may be entirely wrong but that is how I understood the workflow for these projects.
:)
Yes I do understand that! Just getting nostalgic :)
tranzor said:
I am still a bit in the fog on this and his other Jurassic park project. Are the released blurays screwed up? Other than the sound I am not following the point of all the various video sources being used
The Bluray release features a cropped video and altered soundmix (sounds were added that weren't there originally).
The aspect ratio is still 1.85:1, but the framing has been changed and zoomed-into, cutting off picture information from all four sides. Though only certain scenes are not too heavily cropped and display different framing than the laserdiscs.
The JP[rules] project was undertaken to restore the wider and taller (in most cases) laserdisc framing and the original 5.1 DTS track (also used theatrically). As for using different video sources- The PAL disks fade out at the end of a disk, and fade in on the other end. The NTSC discs don't, hence the NTSC ones are used in those particular scenes.
Its all explained by the undertaker, in the project introduction at the top of the first page, so have a look.
This time could you please include the THX laserdisc, DTS, and Dolby logo trailers with the movie. I remember enjoying them a great deal back in the day, and these logos, apart from the fact that they were cool, they created an anticipation for the movie, making us eager for the movie to start, just like movie trailers build up anticipation for the main movie.
I missed the logos in Jurassic Park[Rules] project!
BTW, great to know work has begun on JP2. We're looking forward to it!
Yes, we're ready for JP2 next!
And Andrea, I send you a detailed PM, tell me what do you think and send me a PM back.
I watched it in my Sony Trinitron 21 TV last night, and let me be very honest- The picture quality looked better than the DVD, at least had a slight advantage over it, the sound was much much better though! The edge halos weren't too much of an issue, but they were visible.
I know that Jetrell Fo! I was asking Thai Panther which major source did he end up using most actually in the project, and which were the instances where he used other sources! But thanks anyways!