Papai2013

Mavimao said: I agree that a full-frame release would be awesome! You don't need to worry about getting anything right once. The scans are available to anyone who wants them. There are already a couple of people working on their own versions. If you'd like to create your own, you need only ask. 

 Yes I want to have the scan. How do I get it?

However, as I said it'd be better if the ones who have the scan do a basic image stabilisation and cue removal and release the open matte framed within a 16:9 window. My PC will crash if I set out to render a whole movie, forget 1080p (It's slow, was struck by lightning and does not have a UPS. I only edit clips in Adobe Premiere and have no knowledge of virtual dub or the many other tools that the users here work with.

Mavimao said:

The missing horizontal information is marginal as far as I can see and it is necessary to crop it just a little because the edges are never pixel accurate in film. This isn't digital. The information on the extreme edges are subtly changing/weaving because of the mechanical action of the film camera. 

You can stabilize the full film frame in relation to the sprocket holes, but the image inside will weave instead! That's why you need to crop just a bit of the filmed image area to keep the image steady. Don't worry, because the cinematographer knew it would be cropped even worse in theaters and made sure there was nothing important on the far edges. 

The vertical information is interesting in an educational setting, but you will see boom mikes, c-stands, missing ceilings etc. An interesting version to be sure, but not "superior". 

 It would still be interesting all the same. Also the Laserdisc release done by Andrea contains more width but does not change or weave except in the CG sequences where there are some in-frame panning. And I would not mind seeing boom mikes and other production props. It does not need to be "superior". This release should happen at least this once because this would be the ultimate for a lot of fans and this one as well. This opportunity won't come again.

Plus, a scan of the full-frame exists. There is no need to spend more money on a fresh scan. Just the image needs to be stabilised and released in "full". That's it. It'd be the ultimate JP release.

P.S: How do I upload images from my PC here?

 What I noticed is that the 1.78:1 version does not capture the entire 35mm frame width (horizontally). Information from the right and left side of the frame is missing. 
Seeing as there is already an uncropped prores 4K version, the best way would be to release the full unmatted uncropped version windowboxed within a 1920-1080 frame stabilised to correct the shake and the cue marks removed and having the entire 35mm width and height intact, no cropping of any kind. 
That will be the best version to release. Please do it!

Yes a regrade of The phantom BD based on the 35mm stills would be the best option for now.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Even if I must admit it's a nice little movie, I don't think anyone here will spend some money to get it... (--_)

 Yes, I know, sadly! But it has a cult following anyway.

SilverWook said:

Is the Blu Ray messed up or something?

 The Bluray is ok, but it still does not have the vibrant rich colour palette of the 35mm version. The Bluray colour is slightly bit desaturated and colder. 

By the way, how much money would it take to make a 1080p scan of such a print, does anyone know? It has five reels.

Anyone getting this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-PHANTOM-Reels-1-2-3-4-5-from-1996/291487164080?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29979%26meid%3Decd84e70ddb0446bb2df6a99dfe3ff2a%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D231601457191

This was a gorgeous looking 35mm film and my favourite pulp hero growing up in the '90s.

Jetrell Fo said:

The net ..... It took a little searching but it is all I have.  There were some folks who did transfers of their D-VHS stuff and shared.  I only happened across this one some months back.  It has the home cinema DTS on it so that is nice.  I'd like to get the Theater DTS synched to it for comparison.

:)

I did like the JP shots from film .... they do look nice.

Thanks, though the links are dead, except for one or two.

timdiggerm said:

Please do not forget that, in film projection, some cropping is inherent to the projection process, assumed to be taking place by the filmmaker, and thus compensated for when filming. When transferring to home/digital media, then, some cropping is appropriate, in order to reproduce the image actually seen in theaters.

In my opinion, the 3D version of JP overdoes on the cropping department to produce a very bad framing from the original one. And Jurassic Park being an already tight-framed movie, doesn't help either!

Jetrell Fo said:

Papai2013 said:

How do you guys acquire these D-Theatre versions of movies. As I am sure they are not for sale or even found in the internet?

The net ..... It took a little searching but it is all I have.  There were some folks who did transfers of their D-VHS stuff and shared.  I only happened across this one some months back.  It has the home cinema DTS on it so that is nice.  I'd like to get the Theater DTS synched to it for comparison.

:)

I did like the JP shots from film .... they do look nice.

Can you provide me a link to those D-Theatre versions, so I can download them?

Not only are the JP 35mm stills gorgeous in terms of colour and definition, they have a much better framing than the 2D and the 3D Bluray.

The 35mm stills even in the matted 1.85:1 widescreen shots, are both wider and taller than the 2D and the 3D BD. It seems as if they cropped the original widescreen version to 16:10, then put black bars on top and bottom of that 16:10 frame to create an even more cropped 1.85:1 version. Its like double-cropping!

For the 3D I can still understand that they had to shift the images left and right (still it doesn't justify that much cropping as Titanic 3D-the scope version that played in theatres, wasn't cropped much from the framing of the DVD), but why was the 2D cropped?

I just hope one day to get my hands on a 35mm copy of JP so I can preserve the uncropped version, as it seems, Spielberg or Universal won't invest on a remaster anymore after their 3D version was a success. So each successive home video version may feature the cropped framing.

Jetrell Fo said:

dvdmike said:

I have always been on the side of the D-theater, think I have a rip somewhere 

I have only an AVCHD of the D-Vhs but it's awesome to watch.  I would have loved a larger sized one for bluray but haven't been able to connect with one yet.  It is my go-to version of the Alien Director's Cut.

I also have the Halloween done by Cudney and the DiviMax release, both are Anchor Bay. 

 

:) 

mike, it IS the DC on D-VHS .....

dvdmike said:

We have it already it was in a thread of late I forget which and it had its own thread, thinking about it the DVHS is the DC so no way it syncs

How do you guys acquire these D-Theatre versions of movies. As I am sure they are not for sale or even found in the internet?

Please have a look at the 35mm stills for JP in the link I provided (imgur), and tell me what you guys think about the framing and colour timing.

Also, feel free to have a look at this comparison here-

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=8164327,

those who are members of bluray.com 

Guys, take a look at the colour grading and the framing of the 35mm version of JURASSIC PARK, below-

http://imgur.com/a/wtWIB

You'll notice that the matted widescreen shots are taller than 1.85:1, very close to 1.78:1 (something like 1.75:1 perhaps). 

Also, the colour appears to be very similar to the 3D BD version( the latter is not as gorgeous as the 35mm version), which means Spielberg and Sherak did look into the original colour while remastering JP into 3D!

Gorgeous! I hope I would get my hands on one someday! The print is much wider than any JP version ever seen- Very close to the laserdiscs in terms of width, but close to the 3D BD in terms of colour( the 3D BD, despite maintaining a similar colour tone, has lost a lot of information around the four edges, resulting in heads getting chopped off and the entire frame looking cluttered)!

dvdmike said:

As I said in my first post  apart from looking like crap the blu matches the 35mm cells bar bad contrast 

I don't think so! The 35mm colours had more dynamic range than the bluray which looks like it has been bathed in blue and orange. There is a yellowish feel in the 35mm cells that I've looked into where the blues are of denim colour not indigo (as in the Blu).

dvdmike said:

Papai2013 said:

dvdmike said:

T2 was only warm in places all night scenes were the same blue tint, we have 35mm cells they are correct the bku is just a crappy Ip master

Well, the blue tint in the night scenes were a different type of blue than the one in the DVD and Bluray. The 35mm blue was denim blue in shade than the dazzling indigo blue tint that the revisionist dvd/bd colour has.

So the 35mm cells are wrong?

No! The 35mm cells would be right, and I prefer that. The revisionist colour would be a modification!

dvdmike said:

T2 was only warm in places all night scenes were the same blue tint, we have 35mm cells they are correct the bku is just a crappy Ip master

Well, the blue tint in the night scenes were a different type of blue than the one in the DVD and Bluray. The 35mm blue was denim blue in shade than the dazzling indigo blue tint that the revisionist dvd/bd colour has.

Turisu said:

Dean Cundey is a revisionist. 

I would love to see a regraded Jurassic Park though using the colours from the 2013 3D version as a source.

Didn't know he was.

Well, though JP now (2013 3D version) looks close to how it looked. But the fact that this was digitally graded is obvious. It doesn't have that tangible feel that photochemically graded film has. Also the digital grading is wrong in a few places, like when the Mano De Dios Amber Mine legend appears on screen.

Flexicon9 said:

.  Hopefully Dean Cundey fixed the new Halloween Blu-ray.

Wish Dean Cundey was involved in restoring Jurassic Park as well.

The Jurassic Park movies also had the wrong colour cast throughout (blue push). The restoration done on the first movie in 2013 corrects the colour to the original yellow/orange warm toned image, but goes a bit overboard, particularly in some scenes.

Terminator 2:Judgement Day & Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines have a blue and ash-blue tint respectively. Original 35mm colours were warm toned (yellowish).

Superman Returns- Original colours were gold-toned and sparkly, creating a 80s feel. Bluray colours are flat and dull! Look at the Return to Krypton deleted scene and you'll notice how glorious the colour grading is.

The Mask- The Jim Carrey comedy was originally warm toned (orange-ish). The Bluray is not much of a violation, but not the original colour either. The colour saturation of the Bluray is a bit extreme in my opinion.

There will always be many more...

I haven't seen The Thing yet, but its great to know you are giving it a restoration. I think the industry should hire you as you deserve it! Way to go Andrea!

Why don't you try with a small clip and see. Just for test.

Here you go-

http://kickass.to/jurassic-park-1993-1080p-hdtv-dts-x264-ctrlhd-t1858867.html

But it has very little seeds. (1 seed, 1 Peer)

So, see if it works.

Otherwise you can use this better seeded 720p torrent, its not bad as you may think! Its actually good quality!-

http://kickass.to/jurassic-park-1993-720p-hdtv-x264-dts-t3801132.html (this is 4.36 GB, and very good quality!)

There are some HDTV versions with channel logo throughout, and some don't have them! 

The 720p source I pointed out doesn't have a logo!

Besides, how do you work with an HD file while editing? I'm sure it not only takes up lots of HDD space, but increases the rendering time sky-high! What is the configuration of your PC Andrea?

Andrea,

Search Google images for Jurassic Park Trilogy HDTV rip, you'll find 1.78:1 open-matte images.

If you want to download a open-matte print, here you go-

http://1337x.org/torrent/196526/0/

Screenshots are also provided. This is taller and wider than the wowow and 2D BD version, but less so than the LD one. Its not big in size, you'll need a torrent client like utorrent (available for free) to download this!

Open-matte prints for JP2 and JP3 are also available from the same series (just replace the title names).

This website doesn't allow one to post screenshots from their PCs. And posting on another image hosting website is a lot of hazard.

Here's a link with screenshots of wowow-

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1338983/jurassic-park-trilogy/510

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

IIRC, after I decided to do this (JP2) project, I noted that LD and BD have the same cropping; the JP1 3D BD is more cropped than LD, but probably it's due to the 2D->3D conversion... maybe JP1 2D BD has the same LD cropping; if it's true, the WOWOW should have the same...

well, more confused than ever now... (**/)

The JP1 LD and  the 2D BD don't have the same framing at all, the 2D BD is more cropped than the LD! The Wowow has the same framing as the JP 2D BD, hence its also cropped.