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#878711
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The Shining - 35mm print opportunity (a WIP)
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I hope you guys scan the Shining print Full frame without any cropping and release it like that with basic stabilisation, scratch removal and brightness adjustments (a release print is printed with high contrasts to counteract the bulb brightness. The projected appears different than a direct scan of the same print). The colour and brightness of the Blu Ray is about right, though the Blues tend to be shifted to violet on most release prints because of the dye being like that.
In any case, I am very interested in this version as I am with a future open matte release of Jurassic park.

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#878710
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Info: Jurassic Park - Bootleg / Workprint / Extended Cut on video
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There have been bootleg workprints, telecine versions or even extended cuts of movies available unofficially. I remember having seen an extended version of Jurassic Park on VHS (probably a workprint) back in 1994-'95. Two of the prominent extra shots I remember are more dialogue in the conversation between Alan and Ellie after scaring off the kid and the two Ford explorers coming out of a garage behind/beneath the Visitor’s centre. I also remember the shot of a Raptor’s eye through the cage while it was being brought to it’s pen by the truck.

So, while searching for it across the internet, I happened to stumble across a guy who pointed me to a post on reddit.com where a guy had got hold of a very old bootleg VHS of Jurassic Park. However, the post is sadly 7 months old and the guy, who did not have a VHS player anymore has probably sold it off. I have e-mailed him to keep it and get it transferred to a DVD for preservations sake and am yet to receive a reply. I am providing a link to that thread (now closed) and an imgur post link where lot of images from the VHS (not screenshots) have been posted.

If anyone here has any knowledge regarding a bootleg version of Jurassic Park please share any information you may have on such rare versions of JP (any of the JP films for that matter), please!

Reditt link - https://www.reddit.com/r/VHS/comments/30nbqx/came_across_a_bunch_of_old_vhs_movies_including/

Imgur images - http://imgur.com/a/uf7Ao

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#790431
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Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations
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bigrob said:

just had delivered the Fullscreen DVD of Predator

I missed the boom mics and Dillion's third arm lol

 It was uploaded on bithq.org just a few weeks ago.

Also, it's not exactly open matte. For most of the movie, it loses a lot of image from the sides. Just gains some info on the top and bottom. If you crop a 16:9 image to 16:10 on VLC player, that's the amount of info cropped from the sides in the Full Screen dvd. Plus the old crt TVs will crop an additional 10-15% image from the sides due to overscan.

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#790138
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Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations
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Supermartyoh said:

I don't know about the 1.78 versions of Deathly Hollows Part II (may be cropped or so I hear), but I recall the ITunes HD version being OAR. Ditto on the PSP because I've never had one, but I would assume it is OAR unless the studios decided to crop later UMD titles to fill the PSP's small-as-fuck screen.

 I know for sure that the HBO and WB 1.78:1 versions are open matte for the VFX shots and panned for some live action shots. But it's mostly open matte as I have seen the whole movie on those cable channels. Which means the Open matte version must exist somewhere. This is why I thought that either the itunes version and/or the UMD PSP version also being open matte. I recently downloaded The Order of the Phoenix UMD PSP. And its 2.40:1. Are you sure the itunes is not in 1.78:1. If itunes is in 16:9 without letterboxing then its the open matte version as I'm sure they wouldn't be making two 1.78:1 versions. Please confirm me this. For I am desperate to get the open matte version of Deathly Hallows Part 2.

Is it possible for anyone to rip it from cable as a lot of DTH set tops allow recording and that's how the 3 HP movies ended up open matte on torrent websites. If anyone can rip it it'll be great as the open matte looks fantastic, like IMAX. The dragon's freedom moments and the final battle are all open-matte and look massive with the additional height. I have SD cable and no recording ability, otherwise I'd have done it myself. Trust me guys, it's worth having that version.
Please, if anyone has the recording ability and catches DH Part 2 on full 16:9 in cable, know for sure it's the open matte, as that's the only version distributed to cable tv companies.

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#789830
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Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations
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Supermartyoh said:

Papai2013 said:

I am repeating my original post -

Does anyone Have Half Blood Prince on Full Screen, or the open matte HDTV broadcast.

Here's the dvd link -

http://www.amazon.com/Potter-Half-Blood-Prince-Single-Disc-Screen/dp/B002PMV9K6/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1442523699&sr=1-1&keywords=Half+Blood+Prince+Full+Screen

 

I distinctly recall viewing that release at one point, and I remember it being like the HDTV broadcast but with the sides shaved off to 4:3. I think some of the FX shots were noticeably pan and scanned from the 2:35:1 version, as even SFX for Super 35 format films are usually done in the intended theatrical ratio so blow ups don't look like shit.

 I don't think so. Effects for all Harry Potter movies were done in 1.78:1 hard matte. I've seen the HDTV versions of HP 1, 2, 4 and 8 open-matte. Though 3 was P&S, despite an early open matte trailer clearly revealing that the VFX was matted at 1.78:1. I do not know whether HP 5, 6 and 7 are open matte or not, but 8 is, in majority of the movie, especially in the VFX shots. This is because they were shot on standard 35mm and Super 35mm, and never with anamorphic lenses.

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#789243
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Team Negative1 - Unofficial Jurassic Park 35mm (Released)
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SmegPod said:

Are there plans to release a full frame open matte version of this print? I know that (from what I read) the CGI shots are hard matted to a widescreen ratio but I would like to see how the film looks in full open matte, if only for archival purposes.

 The matted widescreen ratio is taller than 1.78:1. More like 1.72:1. I read somewhere that because European screens are mostly 1.66:1, spherical movies were left full aperture and the VFX matted to a ratio slightly taller than 1.78:1, so that 1.85:1 movies could be projected with a taller 1.66:1 frame. So, in all likelihood, many European theatres projected JP in 1.66:1. The presence of additional vertical information certainly helped in that regard. I know for a fact that The terminator (1984) was similarly projected 1.66:1 on EU screens.  So, having the Full uncropped Jurassic Park scan downrezzed to 1080p would be a treat to say the least! I have requested the guys who have the prores file to give us a chance to see it as it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, because in all likelihood none of us may ever get our hands on a theatrical print of the movie in the future, forget getting a 4K scan done. Where I live, these services are not available; rare prints aren't sold or collected. Here the mantra is "go with the flow".

I can understand if forum members or owners of the scan get frustrated at me asking for the version, but I love JP a lot not to ask for it. I do want to see the entire frame, boom microphones, frame edges and all. It can be a special version giving us lots of first hand visuals regarding how a film is shot. And the open matte version will allow other members, including myself to create our own respective fan editions.

Sorry, if I've annoyed others by my posts. I apologise for that.

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#789096
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Team Negative1 - Unofficial Jurassic Park 35mm (Released)
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Jetrell Fo said: The film look was very cool.

Maybe in the future we'll get JP 2 & 3 in a film scan version as well.  It would make for a great little box set especially since we have the cinema DTS to go with them.

Cheers!!!!

 Yes, they'll be great, especially because the current BD masters are not the original theatrical colour timed versions. Also, the prints all have a larger frame size and are open-matte, which would make for a great IMAX-like viewing when edited like that.
Once someone here releases the open matte version of JP, I am planning on making an imax version of JP with a taller frame. This is why I was requesting a 1080p downscale of the prores file.

An odd reel of JP2 was available on ebay -

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/35mm-Feature-ODD-REEL-from-THE-LOST-WORLD-JURASSIC-PARK-Steven-Speilberg-/252007107666?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aaccb4c52

The listing has ended. But it was only reel 3. Anyway, one can browse through the pictures which have a much more warm and gorgeous colour timing than any home video versions so far. I am trying to get a emv equipped debit card so I can contribute funds to those who bring us these amazing 35mm features.

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#785861
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Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations
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Asaki said:

Papai2013 said:

But like you, I've no idea why Jurassic Park is getting overcropped...

 Wouldn't the 3D version have to be cropped a little bit, to compensate for the 3D effect? One eye is going to see a little more to the left, the other a little more to the right (depending on the amount of stereo separation)...and especially if you watch it in 2D, they'll only show one of the "eyes".

 I think they overdid it as the crop percentage was not uniform, and neither did they adjust the framing for compensating the crop. There are many post converted movies that do not lose as much image as JP 3D has. Think of the 2.35:1 frame of Titanic 3D. Its not as wide as the original framing, but the crop is quite negligible compared to JP.

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#785504
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Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations
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TServo2049 said:

There's a reason the widescreen version of Jurassic Park feels too tight: It IS too tight. Every widescreen transfer of JP since DVD (or possibly even the Japanese MUSE Hi-Vision LD) has been zoomed in, for no apparent reason. Even the 3D theatrical DCP was overcropped. (And I saw an IMAX 2D 15/70 print of the 3D re-release version at a science museum screening - it was also overcropped.)

The original letterbox LD had much more open framing, even though it was the same 1.85:1 AR as the later releases. The 35mm preservation also has more open framing.

I can't figure out why the overcropping has persisted for so long. (I am even starting to doubt whether the 3D version came from a new scan...)

  I know that. But the 3D version is from a new 4K scan. If you look closely, despite the DNR, there are fine details on the skin, clothes, that you've never seen on any home video version before. But like you, I've no idea why Jurassic Park is getting overcropped, especially when the original widescreen framing (seen in the laserdisc, 35mm prints) is about perfect. The cropped 1.85:1 2013 dcp looks butchered in some shots. And the colour timing though now closer to the 35mm prints, is much warmer than the 35mm version. The Brachiosaur head was almost cropped when it was grabbing the leaf from the tree, the T-Rex snout was cropped when it roars in the VC lobby. And overall, it feels too tight to qualify as a good framing. In fact I'd argue that the open-matte 4:3 version feels very comfortable to look at and neither feels cropped or too loose. 

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#785389
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Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations
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The Full Screen versions of the Jurassic Park trilogy look really good, framing wise, whereas the widescreen version feels cropped; tight. Of course the VFX scenes are pan & scan in the 4:3 version because they were hard matted in the source. However, the hard matted frame was still taller than 1.78:1, maybe 1.75:1, and the 4:3 P&S of those scenes do not utilise the full vertical height of the frame which they should have to compensate for the horizontal loss. 

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#784416
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Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations
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I have Jurassic Park trilogy, The Mask (1994), The Da Vinci Code, The Dark Knight (open matte for the IMAX scenes, pan & scan for the rest) and Apollo 13 in Full Screen DVD. Apart from these I have some more Full Screen ones through download, like Terminator 3 (The HDTV Rus version has more horizontal info than the FS dvd), Terminator 2 (from Myspleen), The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons on 16:9 open-matte without sound and of course Titanic. Quite a few Full Screen versions are often available for download.
Now I don't really like cropped pan& scan movies, be they in whatever ratio. I like the ones that are mostly open-matte (usually with a bit of horizontal loss).
The 16:9 version of Angels & Demons is selectively open-matte and pan-scan, and the values are not exactly absolute either. Titanic is also selectively open-matte and pan-scan on the 3D version. The World's Fastest Indian (2005) was released open-matte 1.78:1 from its original 2.35:1 framing on Bluray (shot on Super 35). Even Jurassic World was shot on 4 perf Full Aperture 35mm (1.33:1), Vistavision (1.50:1), Red (1.90:1), but finally cropped to 2.00:1. Jurassic World would've looked good on a larger ratio like 1.66:1 on a 1.44:1 IMAX screen. Plus, apart from artistic reasons, the 2.00:1 ratio did not make sense projection wise as the movie was shown in most scope screens window-boxed (black bars on all four sides). 1.85:1 would have at least utilised the full height of all screens (except 1.44:1 and 1.66:1). Theatrically it was supposed to look wider than 1.85:1 and ended looking smaller than that ratio.

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#782547
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kk650's Miscellaneous Regraded Films (Released)
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kk650 said:

Getting back on topic, i've been receiving numerous requests for the Man of Steel regrade so i've just uploaded it to myspleen. Here are some screencap comparisons for those interested:

Blu-ray 1:



Regraded 1:



Blu-ray 2:



Regraded 2:



Blu-ray 3:



Regraded 3:



Blu-ray 4:



Regraded 4:

 This is just wow! This is how a Superman movie colour grading should be. However, the movie is so serious in tone that I feel no colour grading will be able to lift the movie's spirits. Besides, the regrade kinda fits a Donner Superman, not Snyder's. Still a very good effort! Now if someone were to regrade Superman Returns, that'd be something!

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#782546
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Alien/Aliens Color Regrade (a WIP)
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PDB said:

Aliens overall graded to 35mm trailer

This was a first test. I also created a less red more blue version which ended up having very cool timing, a more DVD look and more "Cameron" but the skin tones are too pale compared to the 35mm frames.

BD/BD regraded to 35mm "red" version/BD regraded to 35mm "blue" version

Work on Alien continues

 From what I gather looking at various recent restorations of earlier films and their 35mm counterparts, most movies used to be graded warm on film. Aliens, Jurassic Park, Titanic, terminator were all graded warm. It is only in their home video versions that a cool filter was applied replacing their original look. As a result, many think that recent restorations are revisionist and that the blue/magenta in the home video versions are the actual colours when they are not. Its great to see movies being given their due here. Keep up the good work! 

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#781947
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Info Wanted: Question regarding 'Jurassic Park 3D'... (and info)
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Jetrell Fo said:

Papai2013 said:


Make it happen!

Maybe a more text polite approach would help the consideration of your request.

Just saying .....

 No no! I wasn't being impolite or ordering about. 
I was just being enthusiastic, hence the exclamation. Sorry should have been more clear about my tone. How would I ever be impolite to the guys who literally make our dreams come true. I am sorry for this misunderstanding. It was never my intention to come off as demanding. Just couldn't contain my excitement. Sorry again.