NeverarGreat

MalàStrana said:

There is something very poetic about that dream sequence

“Hopefully it’ll work”
😉

Thanks for the kind words everyone. It may not be strictly within the bounds of this edit, but I thought it was worth submitting for consideration.

There is one more thing that this addition makes more clear that I didn’t realize until now, and that is Maz’s words about how the Force has ‘always been there’.

Here’s version 2 (or 8, but who’s counting?):
https://mega.nz/#!jdFQ1LoI!uhnEtNqFogoeDNRBDui4kp-duoK-KSIEQ3gC4PhYzdE
Audio:
https://mega.nz/#!zIFAhBRR!kb7FIXKDTYv7LZ27QRw2LrNiLz9z4Aj_tYlAtppSSP4

The first water video has been replaced with one that more closely matches the island shot, there’s a slight zoom in on Rey between the two shots, and the island shot has been lengthened and stabilized.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

emanswfan said:

Most recent thoughts on my ranking:

1- SW (always been my favorite)
2- RO (most like my favorite for obvious reasons)

Rogue One would probably make my top 3 simply because of its unique tone but for the final scene. The movie prides itself on being a more grounded and realistic take on the Star Wars universe, but the discontinuity of the Tantive being at the Scarif battle, the plans being carried onto the ship instead of being beamed from afar, and the fact that the rebels knew that Vader had seen them escape makes the entire exercise ring hollow for me. In a more ‘delightful’ movie such as TFA this sort of continuity issue wouldn’t be as big a deal, but here it really ruins the film. I’ve described it like a runner tripping at the finish line and breaking their nose two inches from the ribbon.

It’s funny because I don’t even mind that. First of all, it’s discontinuity with another movie, so by itself it’s not like the ending doesn’t make sense, only after the fact. Second of all, I’m not even sure it’s discontinuity. Sure, it’s definitely not the way most would have assumed things would go down, but if you think about it, so long as Vader just assumes the plans were beamed to the Tantive rather than Raddus’s ship (and the fact that he didn’t force grab the plans would imply he indeed wasn’t aware) then there’s no real continuity problem at all.

“The Rebel flagship is disabled, my lord, but has received transmissions from the surface.”
“Prepare a boarding party”

It seems very much like he thinks the plans were beamed to Raddus’s ship and there is no other ship with which they can escape, otherwise why not just destroy the flagship outright? They clearly think they have all the time in the world to take prisoners and recover what was stolen, and it’s a surprise for Vader when the Tantive escapes.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

the plans being carried onto the ship instead of being beamed from afar

They were beamed aboard the flagship and then carried onto the Tantive. Maybe a bit of a stretch but there were similar stretches in the OT.

And that’s why I said that it wouldn’t be a problem in the OT or ST. Their genre is much more action/adventure where these sort of issues are brushed aside, but RO is more of a serious war movie. Even considering this, just one of these issues in isolation is forgivable, but three all together compounds the issue into something quite unforgivable, at least for me.

emanswfan said:

Most recent thoughts on my ranking:

1- SW (always been my favorite)
2- RO (most like my favorite for obvious reasons)

Rogue One would probably make my top 3 simply because of its unique tone but for the final scene. The movie prides itself on being a more grounded and realistic take on the Star Wars universe, but the discontinuity of the Tantive being at the Scarif battle, the plans being carried onto the ship instead of being beamed from afar, and the fact that the rebels knew that Vader had seen them escape makes the entire exercise ring hollow for me. In a more ‘delightful’ movie such as TFA this sort of continuity issue wouldn’t be as big a deal, but here it really ruins the film. I’ve described it like a runner tripping at the finish line and breaking their nose two inches from the ribbon.

So many people on social media are saying that TLJ teaser was boring, but that’s what people said of ESB, so I’m looking forward to a more thoughtful, more mystically tuned entry. Also, Skellig Michael has the very real potential to be my favorite Star Wars location of all time.

A well conceived crawl. 😃

Another idea to file under the ‘not directly applicable to the project’, this one uses video from the Last Jedi trailer:
https://vimeo.com/213469327
Password: reydream
The compression does unkind things for the effects.

Full quality:
https://mega.nz/#!LZMn1arC!IjhcfEcFzBnOo3d3yQDH4WzI4_UkFRNMApQjQ7gzWGA
Audio:
https://mega.nz/#!2MNH0aLT!ZxwOkkAfimlM-D4tmW63ttdbWz8hooQkARWJBHf0BnA

I feel that this addition makes sense for several reasons.

The first is that the audience doesn’t know much about Rey at this point in the movie, and this shifts her dream of flying to the island from a vague motivation to a strong, specific motivation. It also foreshadows her expansive Force Vision when she touches the lightsaber, and retroactively shows that she has some Force sensitivity even this early in the movie.

The second reason for this is to make sense of Kylo’s reference to her imaginings at night of the sea and the island. As the interrogation stands now his reference is news to the audience, making Rey into something of an unreliable ‘narrator’ when we most need to be sympathizing with her. Since the audience has shared in her daydream, his invasion is more personal.

The third reason for this addition is that it visually establishes Luke’s island from the beginning of the movie, and so when Rey finally reaches the island, the movie visually communicates that one of her strong motivations is now satisfied, bringing greater closure to the film.

Darth Cracker said:

SilverWook said:

Maybe he’s someone we should tweet at when we do the open letter thing?

Good idea.

And has anyone here got the mad skills to repurpose the Rogue One trailer so that it depicts a rag-tag team of rebels trying to steal the Original Theatrical cut from the Evil Empire? That might go viral! 😄

I was thinking how ironic it would be if the entire production for Rogue One was just the pretext for Edwards to infiltrate Skywalker Ranch and copy the O-neg scans for the fans.

Good! The preliminary version of this section of the film was quite neutral, so I’m balancing everything towards the more yellow sources in the finalized version.

I always liked this shot, since not only is it the last we see of poor Owen and Beru, but it’s the only time we see this set in the film:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/206702

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:
You don’t think he can adopt a philosophy of “Use your inner darkness to best your enemies but don’t let it envelope you for too long”? Also what’s to say that Luke didn’t take bits and pieces of philosophy that Dark Siders hold dear and use them to bolster his new philosophy?

To me? No. Again, I still see the Dark Side as the malignant tumour on the energy field that life creates. It is not a difference in philosophy; it is the manifestation of the emotions behind bigotry and oppression. Being “A little dark” is akin to being “a little evil.”

We all harbor some amount of taint inside us. Luke would no doubt accept that and try to use his for the betterment of the Galaxy. The nature of these base feelings doesn’t matter so long as the outcome is good.

The Force is not a tool; it is not just a means to an end. It is the very thing that brings life together. Using the corruption of the energy created by life to protect life is hypocritical at best.

This will quickly get into deep epistemological distinctions about good and evil, but to me, since the Force is an energy field created by life, all the processes of life forms feed into this energy field. This includes both the ‘nice’ emotions such as happiness and serenity, but also the ‘ugly’ emotions like fear and anger and apathy. As someone who has dealt with apathy in the past (‘what’s the point, nothing can get better’), often in order to rise out of apathy one must become aware of fear (‘I actually can affect this situation, and the situation is scary’), accepting it in order to rise through that through anger (‘I hate that I’ve let things get so bad’) and into happier emotions. This is what I imagine Luke going through in ROTJ.

My point is that these ‘ugly’ emotions exist in the real world for a reason. They’re not aberrant or unnatural, and to turn them into the equivalent of sin is a very religious, very Jedi, thing to do. The natural state of someone in command of the light and dark sides of the Force would, I expect, be a very serene and happy person on the whole, but it doesn’t mean they couldn’t get mad or fearful. It’s a gradient, not a black and white distinction, and I don’t think that a grey Jedi or the equivalent would use both sides equally. To dip into Eastern religion, someone using the Dark Side would be rather unenlightened, whereas someone using the light would be more enlightened. A good Jedi teaching in an Eastern mold might be that anyone who uses the Force is a Jedi, but the use of the Dark Side momentarily masks this Truth. That is how I choose to interpret Luke’s assertion after he throws aside his lightsaber.

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

Not sure how I feel about that. I actually really disliked how Legends started to take “balance” literally, and that the Jedi and Sith were merely philosophical differences, rather than how the Dark side was a tumour on the Force originally.

There’s no denying that the ‘Light’ side of the Force has issues as well, which is why it was only by recognizing the Dark Side that Luke was able to prevail in Jedi. The Jedi’s prohibition against some emotions and the dogma that they are impossible to overcome once indulged in was shown absolutely to be false. I for one appreciate the new direction this is taking.

But the Jedi Dogmatism was supposed to represent corruption in the Jedi (If we are to believe Lucas, who has had issues representing what he actually meant in the Prequels). The default state of the Jedi was supposed to be much more benevolent, but at some point they literally forgot their connection to the Force to use it as little more than a tool. Using the RotS novelization as a reference, Obi-Wan points out how the Jedi council in ages past didn’t bicker, but rather let the Force guide them to an answer, hinting that the Jedi lost their way.

In Jedi, that sequence was anything but Luke prevailing by channelling the darkness. If you look beyond Luke kicking Vader’s ass, the set up is that Luke lost control of himself because of Vader’s words getting to him; the music turns ominous, representing Luke going against what he stood for; and finally, when the fight ends, Luke is absolutely horrified at what he did. It wasn’t a triumph by finding “balance” between light and dark, it’s despair as our hero verges on becoming the monster he fought.

I guess this scene could mean something different for everyone. What I got from it was that Luke had previously been afraid of the Dark Side, of fear and anger themselves, due to Yoda’s teaching. Yet when he snaps and uses his anger to overcome Vader, he is working through the pent-up emotion and destroying the false serenity of his Jedi facade. Yet since he doesn’t suppress the Light Side of the Force, he isn’t consumed with the Dark Side but allows it to eventually pass out of him. When he regains his composure he recognizes how the Dark Side was able to corrupt Vader with hopelessness and fear, anger at his weakness, etc. Luke has no fear of fear itself, no further anger at his use of anger, and is truly at peace in the moment that he tosses away his lightsaber.

Again, that’s just my opinion of the scene. It’s certainly possible to read this as Luke conforming entirely to Jedi doctrine, but since he had already started down the dark path and was able to return, one of Yoda’s teachings at least was proven to be false.

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

Not sure how I feel about that. I actually really disliked how Legends started to take “balance” literally, and that the Jedi and Sith were merely philosophical differences, rather than how the Dark side was a tumour on the Force originally.

There’s no denying that the ‘Light’ side of the Force has issues as well, which is why it was only by recognizing the Dark Side that Luke was able to prevail in Jedi. The Jedi’s prohibition against some emotions and the dogma that they are impossible to overcome once indulged in was shown absolutely to be false. I for one appreciate the new direction this is taking.

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

Rey is Luke’s daughter - says a joker who lies all the time 😉

oojason said:

apologies if posted before…

Extended Death Star Meeting Scene - Star Wars Celebration 2017: RARE Archival Footage:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4WudpzBYw

I’ve never seen that, that’s really cool!

Something I’d love to see in The Last Jedi is the death of Snoke.

Hear me out. So say Snoke was from a very powerful, Machiavellian, Force sensitive alien race that basically ruled the universe, but he himself was rather weak in the Force. He tried to gain power in a reputable galaxy but was almost killed in an assassination attempt and fled to a garbage galaxy bereft of a strong government in order to regain his power.

Near the beginning of TLJ, Snoke’s would-be assassin has caught up with him and finishes the job. Realizing that the galaxy is in danger of learning the true nature and power of the Force, he deems it necessary to subdue this upstart galaxy.

The plot of the next two movies would center around the two factions (Republic and First Order) coming to grips with the fact that they are small fish in this pond, and working together to destroy this threat.

And yes, this is all because I dislike the idea of Snoke being the Big Bad. It’s just such a stupid name.

doubleofive said:

NeverarGreat said:

Yep

I don’t have the 2015’s but since that’s a few second tool that even I remember how to use, it was there to bring focus to the crowded shot for the clip.

Well I’ve learned never to be surprised by the level of amateurism in the official Lucasfilm changes 😃

Yep

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/206546
Putting this here as a possible change. Is this present on the digital download of Star Wars (the one without the Fox Fanfare)?

So I pulled some screenshots of the Carrie Fisher tribute to see if they had changed the Star Wars scan or whether it was the old lowry one, and it looks to be the same:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/206546
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/206547
The slight color differences between the two shots are well documented elsewhere and are probably the result of a LUT created for online presentation of the Blu-ray.

Interestingly, the center of the final shot was brightened for some reason. I would say it was because of Carrie Fisher, but all three of the leads have brightening applied to their heads. Very curious.

lovelikewinter said:

Fuck it. I’m so tempted to buy the burned Despecialized Blu-Rays off ebay. I’m beyond sick of this. Fuck you Lucas you old bastard. No one likes your Prequels no matter how hard you whore them.

Sounds Reasonable

Alternately, since I assume that you made custom matte for the planet, if you like I could just plug that matte into my project.

Laserschwert said:

Regarding a poster: everything that’s not by Drew Struzan will be a disappointment. I still don’t understand how they were able to drop the ball on the TFA poster. Sad.

It was the worst poster in the history of posters, maybe ever.