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#1259096
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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SilverWook said:

We can’t say for sure Luke is dead when Episode IX might turn that scene on it’s head. After all, the mechanical hand didn’t vanish. 😉

Exterior: Space
Pan down to Ahch-To, First Jedi Temple at dusk.
LUKE’S mechanical hand appears, floating for a moment over the discarded cloak.
A Porg lands on the cloak, and the hand comes alive, brushing it away and snatching up the fabric, which disappears into thin air.

Interior: Lando’s Sail Barge
LUKE appears, hastily adjusting his cloak, before Rey.
REY: (Jumping up from her seat) You came out of nowhere!
LUKE: That makes two of us.

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#1259087
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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Something doesn’t sit right with the idea that the Force is limited by the physical vessel through which it is channeled, at least where the light side is concerned. It is my understanding from the OT that the limiting factor in any feat of the non-Dark Side Force is the belief of the acolyte, with training as a way to allow for greater belief. Luminous beings are we, after all, not this crude matter.

The Dark Side, on the other hand, may very well have some physical cost, as both of the Dark Side users in the OT were either horribly mutilated or clearly insane.

This is one reason why Luke’s death is so inexplicable to me.

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#1258480
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

Fang Zei said:

Did I miss this ghost Hayden rumor earlier when I was avoiding this thread for the first thirty or so pages, or is that just pure speculation on your part?

No, just my own speculation. I don’t think it would necessarily be a dig at the OOT or a validation of the 2004 version of ROTJ at all. Sebastian Shaw is long gone, and Hayden is someone who played Anakin. It’d maybe be a little silly to make him up to appear like Shaw, but I’d be okay with just not trying to pass him off as 23.

I’d only be truly happy with Force Ghost Anakin if he appeared like ‘god’ in The Final Frontier, cycling through images of Prowse, Shaw, Hayden, and Jones throughout the scene.

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#1258351
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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dgraham414 said:

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2018/12/episode-ix-rumors-timeline.html

I hope this isn’t true. Specifically the idea that Rey would just put the Skywalker lightsaber back together… it just seems like a cop out to the toxic side of the fandom.

Also Kylo just reconstructing his helmet. It’s just moving the story backwards instead of forwards…

Thoughts?

I think it is actually a neat idea to apply Kintsugi to Star Wars.

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#1257880
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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Mocata said:

fmalover said:

JokerRulez said:

Here’s the HUGE gamble Disney is making:

fmalover said:

Right now, the only thing I’m really looking forward to regarding Star Wars is Rian Johnson’s SW Trilogy, after all Johnson has earned my full trust with TLJ. I wish I could say I’m looking forward to The Mandalorian, but I don’t have Disney+.

Can anyone create a whole new SW experience that is still , … well, Star Wars?

There is no guarantee of success. Will mediocrity be enough? It’s the only way the film franchise can continue long-term so they’ll invest hugely in this while exploiting all other avenues to milk the franchise (TV, theme parks, comics, etc.).

Oh, in my opinion Rian Johnson is the wrong guy to do this next piece of work given the divisive reaction to his only entry. Need a uniter rather than someone always looking to subvert expectations.

JokerRulez

I don’t get why TLJ is so divisive.

TFA was such a huge letdown I had no expectations in regards to the following episode, and in fact I fully expected TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW. Once a friend confirmed it wasn’t like that I was genuinely excited, went to see the movie, and once the credits started rolling, left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

I don’t think Johnson was trying to subvert expectations, he was trying to come up with the best story he could write and direct, which he did brilliantly.

But there’s your audience division right there: people that thought TFA was a lame rehash and people that loved TFA because it fed into their self importance as fans. RO did the same thing. Then TLJ came along and did it’s own thing and that part of the fandom lost their minds because it stopped telling them they matter.

I think you’re on to something there. TFA went hard on nostalgia, essentially offering up one beloved Star Wars thing after another for the audience to remember and enjoy. It especially made sure that everything felt the same, even if it didn’t quite make sense due to the passage of time. It essentially said ‘your relationship with this is important and valuable’. Then TLJ comes along and says ‘nope, actually you’re a naive idiot for expecting everything to remain as it was’. And this in theory could be really good, but the story still needs to do the work of winning over an audience primed by TFA to see meaning and power in Luke, Snoke, Ren, the lightsaber, etc, etc.

If the reasons for negating TFA ring hollow, it risks negating the meaning of the story itself. That’s what I think has happened here. For some people, the reasons for Luke’s exile are insufficient, the explanation of Rey’s power fails to convince, the futility of Finn’s sacrifice is shot through with ambiguity, and so the center fails to hold.

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#1257785
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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fmalover said:

JokerRulez said:

Here’s the HUGE gamble Disney is making:

fmalover said:

Right now, the only thing I’m really looking forward to regarding Star Wars is Rian Johnson’s SW Trilogy, after all Johnson has earned my full trust with TLJ. I wish I could say I’m looking forward to The Mandalorian, but I don’t have Disney+.

Can anyone create a whole new SW experience that is still , … well, Star Wars?

There is no guarantee of success. Will mediocrity be enough? It’s the only way the film franchise can continue long-term so they’ll invest hugely in this while exploiting all other avenues to milk the franchise (TV, theme parks, comics, etc.).

Oh, in my opinion Rian Johnson is the wrong guy to do this next piece of work given the divisive reaction to his only entry. Need a uniter rather than someone always looking to subvert expectations.

JokerRulez

I don’t get why TLJ is so divisive.

TFA was such a huge letdown I had no expectations in regards to the following episode, and in fact I fully expected TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW. Once a friend confirmed it wasn’t like that I was genuinely excited, went to see the movie, and once the credits started rolling, left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

I don’t think Johnson was trying to subvert expectations, he was trying to come up with the best story he could write and direct, which he did brilliantly.

I think TLJ is divisive precisely because it seemed to be crafted to cater to those who found no interest in TFA. Everything set up in the Force Awakens, from the map to Luke to Hux and Snoke, to the Knights of Ren and Rey’s history, are all either ignored or confirmed as narrative dead-ends to be used at face value and then discarded. It is not that this makes TLJ bad. On the contrary, taken in isolation it works well. But TFA was the start of a very different story, and to follow it with this is like forcing the pieces of two different puzzles together. It doesn’t matter if Rian’s oil painting is better than the crayon imitation of Star Wars from JJ, when put together it still results in a royal mess.

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#1257697
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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This is all I’ve been able to find, most from years later:

https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/10/EpicCollections.jpg
http://chinese-starwars.com/jediarchive/expanduniverse/donald/donald/24_captain_pellaeon.jpg
http://www.battlegrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/expandeduniverse.jpg
Heir to the Empire

It did remind me of this commercial, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOV2dGdFbGk

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#1257291
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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OutboundFlight said:

4throck said:

Sure!
But for the sake of discussion, on radical edits it’s better to have your characters near each other.
That way, you are free to have them appear with no need for extra explanation or FX sequences. So you can move scenes around easier.

True… Rey and Poe never meet face to face until the 2/3 mark.

Which is why it’s so silly for Poe to be the major character that he has become.

One of the biggest wasted opportunities in TLJ is the complete lack of Kylo/Finn conflict, which would efficiently draw focus back to the main characters of Kylo, Finn, and Rey.

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#1256369
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I actually think that the brief scene of Rey and the doctor would work in such an ending, despite its weirdness.

In thinking about the end of the movie and Rey’s character, I keep coming back to the idea that she uses the Dark Side as much as the light, if not more. After all, using the Dark Side is the quickest way to gain power, and Rey gains it more quickly than anyone we’ve ever seen in the Star Wars universe. Maybe using some more Yoda dialogue in the vision scene, where he talks about how the Dark Side is easier and more seductive. If it were possible to make clear that Rey is using the Dark Side, it turns her greatest strength into a liability. Now instead of her being simply a stronger version of Luke, she is precariously balanced on the edge of a metaphysical cliff.

https://vimeo.com/301907627
Password: fanedit

Imagine then if Kylo were more sympathetic…say that he wants to lead the First Order, but hates the Dark Side. He knows that the only way to rise to power is to play Snoke’s games, but to do so means sacrificing his own father. I would say that most of this message is already in the film, it’s just muddled by the idea that Kylo genuinely supports Snoke and the evil of the Dark Side instead of playing the long game in a quest to finish what Vader started and become the leader of a unified galaxy.