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#1498308
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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screams in the void said:

Random thought / observation …nearly every prequel rewrite or idea I come across still uses characters that were created for the movies that came out between 1999 and 2005 . Darth Maul , Grievous , Dooku , Qui Gon, etc . Be nice to see a rewrite or idea using original characters as well as the ones from the OT that would logically carry over …

I had an involved outline for a prequel trilogy that used only original and OT characters, but which coexisted in the same continuity as the Lucas Prequels.

The first one is set between Episodes 2 and 3 and follows a family of scrap merchants scrounging material from Clone Wars battles. A young woman from this family finds a stasis pod among the wreckage and takes it on board, only to realize that inside the pod is an injured Anakin Skywalker. He communicates through the Force with our hero throughout the film, which is a self-contained tale set on the ship as she works to evade evil droids bent on destroying the injured Jedi. Though these trials she gains the confidence to become a pilot like Anakin.

The second story is set during the events of Episode 3 and tells of the young woman who has finally achieved her dream of becoming a pilot and serving under a Jedi Master in the wars. She forms a close bond with this original character, but when Order 66 comes down the line he is shot down and despite her best efforts he dies. The war is over, but she is now even more lost than she was before.

The final story happens in the aftermath of Episode 3 and details the rise of the Empire. The young woman finds her family again and together they form an underground movement led by certain Jedi in hiding and aided by droids from the Separatists whom they managed to protect. There is an assassin droid among them and it has a detailed plan to destroy the new Emperor. They go along with this plan, initiating the final battle of the Clone Wars, though it fails and they evacuate under fire. She is chased by a figure in a sleek Imperial fighter who calls himself Darth Vader. She recognizes that this is the same Anakin Skywalker that helped her years ago and he senses her as well. She leads him on a merry chase and manages to evade him through techniques he had taught her, eventually leading the entire cell back underground to join with the growing Rebel Alliance and fight this new war among the stars…

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#1498090
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ILM - Disney+ 6 part documentary series
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Harmy said:

I’m gonna have to do some side by side comparisons but I’m 99% sure that all the shot’s from Empire are from TN1’s Grindhouse version and I have a feeling that the Star Wars shots might actually be from the Silverscreen Edition.

I said this out loud when I saw it. Though seeing the comparison it does look like a different film source, it’s weird that the best source Disney could find for a print is essentially the same as something this community had several years ago and has since surpassed.

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#1497439
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The Jedi, the Empire, and what the hell they know on Tatooine?
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of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

Interestingly enough, there was speculation back in the 80’s that Obi Wan was a clone designation, possibly derived from OB1.

I really like this and I don’t know why.

It’s great because it’s open-ended. Was Obi-wan himself a clone? Was he a template for clone forces? Was it a designation given to him by clones, perhaps as a form of endearment? Was it a designation to disguise his prior identity as Ben Kenobi? Was it perhaps his choice of Jedi name once he became a true Jedi much like Darth Vader may have been Anakin’s Jedi name? There’s no knowing which (if any) of these theories is true, and that makes it, like the Clone Wars themselves, a brilliant bit of worldbuilding that ignites the viewer’s imagination.

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#1497437
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Tortured...droids?
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I agree. Droids in Star Wars should have an element of life which isn’t clearly reducible to their mere components.

The prequel and sequel trilogies went too far in reducing droids (Threepio in particular) to mere machines, in my opinion. At the end of the PT, Threepio has his memories erased, presumably destroying the person he became over the course of the prequels. However, since we see his construction in TPM we know that his personality was present from the beginning, so erasing those memories means almost nothing in practice. Further, in the ST we see Threepio factory reset (again having no change on his personality) and then his memories are able to be restored anyway.

I always felt like the original Star Wars film portrayed 'droids as a persecuted underclass that was viewed by most people in the universe as simple machines prone to glitches and erratic behavior. A droid with personality was defective and these troublesome errors would be prevented by restraining bolts and fixed by routine memory wipes, much like you would wipe a used computer’s hard drive before using it yourself. Viewed in this way, a droid becomes more erratic, more of a person, over time, and a memory wipe destroys the personality and the person. Some people in the galaxy, such as some in the Rebel Alliance, seem to have a soft spot for droids as people, but for the rest of the galaxy they are nothing more than machines. This gives the original films a whole new dimension of thematic power, and is another reason that for me the PT and ST trilogies don’t exist in the same universe as the OT.

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#1496818
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (Released)
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The Oscillator confrontation was my first attempt at that sort of Force power. The Poe interrogation was done after that scene and I feel it was a lot more successful because it was better integrated into the surround mix, but for V1 I never went back and adjusted the Oscillator scene. For V2 I will definitely be making it more subtle and well-integrated. I don’t want to remove it completely, because although it feels obvious that Kylo is using some sort of power to interrogate Han based on the Poe and Rey interrogations in the edit, it wasn’t obvious in the original film at all (at least to me) and came off as psychopathic rather than conflicted.

I will also take another look at Jakku 😃

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#1496771
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (Released)
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Not much to report lately. I’ve had this on the back burner while working on some other projects, but the plan for everything in V2 is rather straightforward (unlike V1) so it should come together fairly quickly once I get back to working on it.

Eddie has provided new lines for the Resistance officer and I have a plan for the trooper dialogue concerning Hangar 718. I’m contemplating a change to TR-8R’s dialogue as well in order to jump start Finn’s concern about Starkiller base, but that would depend on whether axlanian would be willing to entertain the idea; I’m happy with the existing dialogue in either case.

Then of course there’s the visual effects side of the workload, and that will probably be the biggest bottleneck.

So that’s where the project stands. I will announce when there’s something to show 😃

hero said:

Just got done watching this edit - WOW. Superb work. Genuinely a good film. Really enjoyed the additional restructuring and edits you made - bravo. Somehow the characterisations work so much better.
This is 100% the to version of the film now for me.

Thank you!

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#1496340
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Making the Obi-Wan &amp; Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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The problem with putting the training before Palpatine’s Office is that Star Wars almost always follows a strict continuity of introducing characters where they are introduced and themselves meet or otherwise introduce more characters. The only place in 1-6 where this doesn’t happen is Vader on the Death Star in ROTJ transitioning directly to the droids, but even then a transition was scripted and filmed.

It also seems strange that Anakin would sense Padme’s distress and not even comment on it.

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#1496091
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Making the Obi-Wan &amp; Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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Oh definitely.

There’s also the issue of establishing shots. I don’t recall if the deleted Senate scene has its own establishing shot, but it would probably require one. The office scene would need one, then the Jedi Temple. Since that’s three in a row, it makes sense to cut directly from the training to the apartment interior at the earliest moment with Jar Jar.

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#1496030
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Making the Obi-Wan &amp; Anakin training session (From the Kenobi series) work in an AOTC edit.
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If there’s a tradeoff between an opening to AOTC which feels horribly stilted and one that has some visual problems due to de-aging, I’ll take the visual issues any day.

Anyway, since people are suggesting their ideal opening to AOTC here are my two cents:

Landing on Coruscant
Deleted scene of Padme and the Senate
Palpatine’s office (full scene)
Establishing shot of Jedi Temple (using musical sting from Elevator scene) followed by Rescored Training Scene
Padme’s Apartment (Delete elevator scene)

I think that the training scene covers all the introductory vibes we get in the elevator scene, so it should go.

This opening reveals an aspect of the film that didn’t occur to me until today, and that is the reason Palpatine wanted the Jedi assigned to Padme. In the deleted Senate scene, Padme is railing against the Army of the Republic, saying that security is antithetical to liberty. Palpatine recognizes that she could derail his plans, and must find a way to convince her that this security measure is required. Then in the office scene he impresses on her the severity of the situation and convinces her to take on extra security. It’s a direct psychological attack on her ideals.

Placing the martial training scene directly after this office scene drives this point home in a way that the original film does not. The Jedi are soldiers, regardless of what Windu says, and these soldiers have just been placed in the service of a person who detests military solutions.

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#1494448
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Re-creating Anakin's confessione about the Tusken massacre
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I think it would be a lot easier to re-edit the Tusken massacre as a dream sequence that happens after he brings his mother back from the desert.

You’d only have to insert a new line in his confession scene, perhaps covering it with a reaction shot from Padme:

“I killed them. In my dream. I killed them all. Every single one of them.”

This would keep Anakin’s intense feelings while bringing the experience into a realm which is deeply relatable for anyone who has suffered loss. Padme’s words would fit this situation perfectly, while also showing how Anakin is unable to square his feelings with his upbringing as a Jedi.

It would also work to deepen the line from Palpatine later since it confirms that Anakin trusts Palpatine enough to share his dreams and nightmares.