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#1623467
Topic
Terminator: Ultimatum
Time

Los Angeles

July 10, 2029

Nightfall

In the hills overlooking the ruins of West Hollywood, there is a bowl-shaped depression in the land, an amphitheater. The forgotten venue is lined with concrete stairs, which lie cracked and worn before the broken dome of a decades-ruined stage. A few gray acoustic spheres are still affixed above the stage, with others scattered at its base. Trash blows in the wind, plastic and styrofoam and leaves scattering over the desiccated ruin and revealing a damaged poster, laminated and still readable. A searchlight scans the ground, revealing its faded words: “The Damnation of Faust: By Hector Berlioz. Performed by Kent Nagano. August 21, 1997”. Below this, in italics: “The Day of Judgment”.

The searchlight passes over the poster and its light plays amid the shadows of the half-fallen dome. The source of the light is a large tank, its upper section swiveling like a torso, two massive guns slung on its sides like arms. The tank continues unhurried up the canyon, scanning the scrub and groundcover on either side of its programmed patrol.

In a natural hollow just above the ruined amphitheater, the glint of a polished lens is just visible in the dim night. Its owner, a middle-aged woman with a mass of brown hair tied in a bun, is lying on her stomach, the binoculars to her eyes. One of the lenses is broken, and she looks out of the other at the retreating tank. A low voice mutters behind her.

“I’ve gotta eat something, Cass. I’m starved. Want anything?”

The source of the voice is a young woman with a dark face and short black hair cropped almost military-style. She is gaunt, almost skeletal, and one of her arms is twisted and small, a sign of childhood malnutrition. She digs in a pouch with this hand, retrieving two shriveled bits of dried meat. She rips into one of them with her teeth, offering the other to the older woman. She doesn’t look away from the valley.

“More coyote?”

The young woman chews thoughtfully a moment, and the older woman reaches back and takes the piece of meat, bringing it to her mouth. Suddenly the young woman swallows and speaks.

“I think it’s dog.”

The old woman examines the meat, a sad frown creasing her face. “Poor Pronto.” She hands the meat back to the young woman, who looks at it then back at the older woman.

“Cass, you need to eat.”

The older woman returns to her vigil. “They’re getting bolder. They never came up this far before.”

The young woman peers over the lip of the depression at the tank. “There’s more of them too. Maybe Connor’s army has failed…and the machines are back in full production.”

The old woman takes the jerky from her companion, setting down her binoculars to look the young woman in the eye. “John Connor knows what he’s doing, Em. He saved us from hell back then. He saved you.” The old woman puts a hand on the young woman’s withered wrist. “I will never forget what he did for us.”

A grimace crosses the young woman’s face. “His words, you mean. You’ve never met the man in your life.”

The old woman smiles faintly. On her forearm a faint series of marks is visible, a tattoo in the form of a barcode. “You may not remember what it was like back then…but I do. Besides, you don’t need to meet someone for them to save you.”

The young woman looks back at the valley, eyebrow raised. “This position is too exposed. C’mon, let’s report back.”

The older woman turns and makes as if to follow, but then grips her companion’s shoulder. “Em, wait. Something’s happening down there.” She raises the binoculars to her eyes again.

Far down in the bowl of the amphitheater, there are sparks and bolts of lightning. The wind picks up, throwing debris around in a miniature maelstrom, and with a burst of light, a brilliant white sphere appears in the side of the broken dome above the stage as if it were a part of the acoustic accoutrement, slicing through one of the steel supports. It hangs there for an instant then disappears, and a small humanoid form falls several meters onto the stage with a crash, breaking through the rotted floor onto the ground.

The women stare openmouthed at the spectacle, then glance at each other in disbelief, turning back to the stage and scanning the scene. The steel support of the dome, now compromised, collapses with a rending crash.

The tank turns on its metal torso, guns and searchlight snapping onto the broken stage.

The binoculars are out and the older woman whispers frantically to her friend. “Em, there’s a kid down there. I can see him under the stage. We need to help him.”

The young woman stares wildly down at the scene. “I don’t know what this is, but it doesn’t concern us, Cass. We should fall back.”

The tank opens fire, plasma detonating all over the structure. More of the steel dome begins to sag and fall onto the stage.

The woman glares at her companion. “Go tell the others. I’m going to help him.” She shoves the binoculars into her friend’s hands and leaps down the slope and is gone. In the depression, her friend swears softly to herself. “Dammit Cass.” She glances back one last time and then makes her way back up the canyon, away from the amphitheater.

Cassie races down to the amphitheater, noting the oncoming tank and swerving to avoid its line of sight as she goes into range. She slides under the partially collapsed stage and pulls out a dyno torch, squeezing the handle several times to provide juice for the light. She whispers in the semi-dark.

“Hey! Is there anyone alive down here?” She scans the darkness, shadows leaping in the swinging light. Another explosion sounds above, shaking the structure and sending debris falling.

“I’m here.” The answer is quiet, matter-of-fact. She swings the light and it strikes the dusty, grimy face of a boy, his mid-length blonde hair partially obscuring his face. He is crouching in a corner, seemingly unwilling to move.

Cassie scans him with her flashlight, noting his complete nakedness. She pulls her cloak off of her and holds it in her hand.

She points at the ceiling with her light. “What was…that?”

The boy looks at her with interest. “You saw that?”

Cassie nods, tossing him the coat, which he throws over his naked body. “What the hell happened? Who are you?”

There’s another explosion above them. The boy looks around as more debris fall. “My name is Charlie Fritz. I’m with Tech-Com under John Connor. I need to know the exact date.”

Cassie looks at him with awe. “You’re with John Connor?”

“The date.”

Cassie shakes herself. “It’s July 10th. Why?”

The boy looks around hectically. “What time?”

“Just after nightfall.”

The boy nods to himself. “Then it may not be too late.” Another explosion wracks the structure and the stage behind the boy collapses. He moves away from the falling beams and the two of them make their way to an opening where they can get a look at their attacker.

“Too late for what?”

“To save the world.”

Cassie takes this in levelly, then glances out at the approaching tank. It has been joined by another tank approaching from the entrance to the canyon. The boy takes in their positions, then turns to Cassie. “I need to get to get to the Skynet facility complex in Los Angeles by dawn.” He makes to move out, but Cassie pulls him back by his cloak.

“Wait a minute. You can’t just go out there alone. Tell me what the hell is happening. Let me help.”

The boy considers, glancing again at the tanks. He makes a choice.

“Very well, but we must split up. I’ll draw their fire, and once I do you retreat the way you came. Make your way to downtown Los Angeles. John Connor will arrive at 4:15. Find him.” He casts his eyes downward, then they flick back to her. “Do this, and we will meet again. I promise.”

The boy makes to leave cover again, but Casey hisses at him. “That’s it? What’s the mission? If I find Connor, what then?”

Charlie considers for a moment, then as another explosion rocks the building and it collapses further in on itself, he speaks.

“You should kill him…”

Cassie stares, thunderstruck, unable even to speak. The boy’s young face is gaunt, his eyes, haunted.

"…for his hatred shall destroy us all.”

Charlie moves away, Cassie still standing shellshocked. The boy races out across the open ground, moving faster than Cassie would have given him credit for. He dodges a plasma bolt by the first tank and slides around a rock, which explodes behind him with a blast from the second tank.

Cassie takes off in the opposite direction as the entire stage sags and collapses completely in on itself in a grinding and rending of metal. Suddenly she hears the whine of another vehicle, and a chrome-plated aircraft flies out from behind the hill, peppering the area with purple lances of light. She turns around and shouts a warning but it is too late. Charlie is caught in the blast of a powerful bolt of plasma and he is entirely enveloped by the explosion, bits of him flying in all directions.

Cassie screams, turning and running from the remains of the splattered soldier. The aerial vehicle turns and begins firing at her from across the canyon, the explosion of its guns throwing her a dozen feet in the air and against the far canyon wall where she loses consciousness amid the burning vegetation and the approaching chrome-plated death.

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#1613637
Topic
Finishing Return of the Jedi
Time

One other reason they may have chosen to reuse the same angle for the Ackbar reaction could be some version of the ‘180 degree’ rule. As in, showing the underside of the SSD may have been disorienting to viewers.

There is also the consideration that we know that Ackbar is viewing the SSD from that angle in a previous shot. To show the underside of the ship would require it to twist or flip over somehow, rather than simply falling down out of frame like it does in the film.

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#1613245
Topic
Color matching and prediction 2.0
Time

Really striking results.

I am noticing, however, that in at least three of the Star Wars examples (Droids, Jabba, and Tarkin), that the shadows in the reference images all have more green than the final result, which seems to go for a more neutral tone. Is this an intentional shift, such as the algorithm attempting to retain channel information in the shadows?

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#1613116
Topic
General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
Time

Some people pointed out at the time of release that the end of The Last Jedi has some similarities with Escape from L.A., so I feel compelled to point out that the ending of Dune: Part 2 is essentially the same as the ending of Attack of the Clones, so much so that you could swap the music between the films and it would work.

Of course, Dune came out decades before AOTC, but the movie adaptation does heighten the similarities.

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#1608903
Topic
General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
Time

JadedSkywalker said:

Found my Revenge of the Sith ticket stub for 23rd of May 2005. The Ticket price was 9.50.

Other than that, I really can’t remember all that much of that screening the first time I saw the film.

I vaguely remember the opening space battle.

ROTS is the first Star Wars movie I remember seeing in the theater (May 21st, 5:15 PM, $6.25), though I’d seen all the previous ones before that on home video. We went with a group of friends, and I distinctly remember being pleasantly surprised at Palpatine trying to win Anakin over through subtle manipulation and the idea that the Sith had just as valid an interpretation of the Force that the Jedi did.

Unfortunately it didn’t stay that interesting for long and as we know devolved into Anakin going full evil and Palpy going full monster mash. I remember quite vividly the line 'What have I done?" being the moment that I emotionally checked out of the prequel trilogy.

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#1601457
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
Time

A long time ago (since the last update to the crawl 😉 )…

EPISODE VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

It is a time of despair.
Luke Skywalker, sworn
to rebuild the legendary
Jedi Order, has vanished.

With the Jedi now facing
extinction, agents of the
evil FIRST ORDER have
risen from the shadows
of an Imperial fortress
to claim supremacy over
countless worlds beyond
the fragile New Republic.

Afraid to take any action
that could lead to war,
the Senate has secretly
commissioned the pilots
of a brave RESISTANCE
to find the last Jedi and
restore the light of hope
to the darkening stars…

Yeah, it’s just the first two lines of paragraph three again.

The reason I don’t like saying that the Republic is mired in endless debate is that such wording is more than just a reference to Episode 1; it is a direct return to the status quo of that movie, and feels like yet another pointless regression rather than a fun homage.

The new lines now at least point to a strategy by the New Republic, even if misguided. The Senate is intentionally avoiding provocative acts that could spark a greater war, since the First Order is still acting beyond Republic jurisdiction as far as anyone knows.

Also, the wording of ‘take action’ is used later by Leia in the reincorporated deleted scene, so it helps to define a consistent through line for the New Republic.

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#1599323
Topic
What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
Time

Or we could just accept that fundamental continuity and character differences exist between each trilogy. That is why the easiest solution is to treat each trilogy as its own entity, existing in a separate continuity from the others. I cannot imagine the universe of the Prequel Trilogy naturally giving rise to the universe of the Original Trilogy, nor of the Original Trilogy giving rise to the Sequel Trilogy.

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#1598703
Topic
What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
Time

G&G-Fan said:

NeverarGreat said:

In the OT, Vader only ever directly kills enemy (and sometimes allied) combatants.

Not only are they not all combatants, but once a combatant is unarmed and you go any further then you have to, there’s no difference, at that point.

He kills Captain Antilles when he’s defenseless and completely at his mercy for no reason other then lying to him and participating in a plot to save the galaxy from a planet destroying weapon.

What Vader did to Leia when they “discussed” the location of the Rebel base (another thing he makes a sardonic joke about), the music, editing, set design, slow buildup, shot choice, was clearly implying it was pretty sinister. It clearly wasn’t a “discussion”. It’s not just a truth serum droid, it’s a torture device. This is an imprisoned politician, not a combatant.

He kills Captain Needa when he apologizes and makes a sadistic joke about doing so.

He leans towards Han Solo, a defenseless prisoner, when he’s being tortured as if he’s enjoying it and sardonically says, “He will not be permanently damaged”, as his screams echo across the hallway. He was chill with the idea of Han dying if it meant using him as a test subject.

He takes pride in trapping Lando in a really unfair deal, with no intent to hold his end at all, taking over the city to subjugate the innocents of Bespin no matter how much Lando complies.

He was gonna torture people working on the second Death Star to “motivate them” despite the workload being seemingly impossible for the number of men they have.

He sadistically gloated about using Luke’s friends as leverage and turning his own daughter to the dark side to use her as a tool for his own ends. He straight up goes, “Yessss”. Not to mention, yeah, trying to do that to your son is also pretty bad.

Han, Leia, Luke, and Antilles are all members of the Rebellion, so I assume that Vader, like the Empire, is treating them like unprivileged combatants (spies and whatnot). Lando is harboring Rebellion fighters and is also running an illegal gas mining operation that has military uses, so it makes sense that the Empire would crack down on that.

Compare Vader’s actions in the OT with Thrawn’s actions at the end of Rebels, where Thrawn holds a city of innocents hostage and begins to destroy them to prove a point. Vader in the OT never indiscriminately kills civilians merely because one of them might be a Rebel.

NeverarGreat said:

Sure, you could argue that he killed Owen and Beru, but he never stepped foot on Tatooine and those executions were probably the purview of his underlings.

Vader is above them. Everything they do goes through him, especially these people who are critical to an important mission. It would’ve been his call to take them prisoner, kill them, etc.

I am 100% certain we were never supposed to get the impression that a grunt stormtrooper is worse then the dark lord of the Sith that is one of the main villains in 3 movies. His very first shot has the stormtroopers submit to what the visual language of the movie is making obvious to us is the bigger bad. He’s taller, darker, scarier mask. The visual language of Star Wars is very deliberate and on-the-nose, which is why it appeals to the most primal sensibilities.

Sure, presumably Vader could have given the order and their deaths are ultimately on his hands, but it’s notable how we don’t see him do this. The movie doesn’t show their deaths, and I think it’s effective in conveying that the Empire killed them, which is all Luke needs to know in order to join the Rebellion.

NeverarGreat said:

Similarly, the Death Star was Tarkin’s project, a project which Vader clearly disliked on a deep and fundamental level. Of course at some level, everyone who supported the Empire had Alderaan’s blood on their hands, but to say that Vader had some unique and singular responsibility for Alderaan seems to be a stretch.

He disliked the Death Star because he feared it could replace him. Vader was the Empire’s ultimate enforcer up to that point. There’s a reason he basically goes, “The Death Star is nothing compared to my power”, instead of, “The Death Star is too much power for us to wield” or something. It was about his ego. Nothing to do with any sense of morality. Which is why Motti basically calls him out on it.

Your previous points are debatable, but I think this one is just wrong. Vader says that ‘The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.’ Vader isn’t saying that he feels threatened by this station, but just that the Force is so much stronger than anything the Empire could produce. His statement is a (prophetic) warning against the Empire’s hubris and a statement of his religion’s faith, which is why the officer rebuts him by calling out his ‘sad devotion to that ancient religion.’

He was in the room with Tarkin when he did it. He held Leia back when she was attempting to stop him. He could’ve used the force to snap Tarkin’s neck and then take command of the station, as he was already second-in-command as is. He’s like a demigod to everybody on that station. He made his choice to do nothing.

This is another instance where the prequels do a disservice to the OT. In the original film, Vader was clearly subservient to Tarkin, who was himself subservient to the Emperor. Leia even cracks a joke at how Vader is Tarkin’s lap dog.

In the OT, there is a somewhat implied growth of Vader in prominence throughout the trilogy, because after Tarkin dies Vader goes from commanding a regular Star Destroyer to commanding an entire fleet and reporting directly to the Emperor. Before ESB, Vader may have been merely a strange curiosity, a holdover from another age. In fact that’s how Vader was seen before the prequels came out, as the Visual Dictionary explained. Vader only became a demigod badass in retrospect after his entire character arc was flattened into a single, static set of attributes that never changed over the course of his life.

Regardless of whether Vader could have physically done anything to stop the Death Star, there’s no indication that he had the influence with the Emperor to survive that action. Saying that he was responsible for Alderaan is the same as saying that Reactor Control Technician #4 was responsible for Alderaan. They could both have thrown a spanner into the works, but their culpability is far superseded by that of Tarkin and the Emperor.

NeverarGreat said:

To then suggest that it was in fact Anakin who was monstrous long before the corrupting influence of the Empire even existed is to strike at the core of everything Anakin is in the eyes of his son. If Anakin committed genocide before the Clone Wars, if he killed children before the Empire was formed, then there is no good man for Luke to save. Anakin didn’t become a monster when he became Darth Vader; Anakin was himself a monster, and the apparent dichotomy between Anakin and Vader in the OT simply doesn’t exist. Anakin as a man was always Vader, and Vader was always a monster.

We’re told he betrayed his brethren, knights that fought for peace and justice, because was seduced by the dark side. Not lied to or fed propaganda, he wanted power. And Vader agrees with this.

“If you only knew the power of the dark side! Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.” = “The power of the dark side is so great, even your father was seduced by it.”

He went from being a good man to a bad one by making his own selfish choices. Just because he became a bad man doesn’t mean he wasn’t ever a good one.

But that’s just the point; it doesn’t matter how he was corrupted or seduced, it only matters that he was at one time a ‘good man’, and the prequels show that is just not the case.

He didn’t commit genocide before the Clone Wars. If you’re referring to the Tuskens, that wasn’t genocide, and I disagree with that creative choice anyway, at least if it extends beyond the ones responsible for killing his mother (and even then, that pent up anger could be used as a plot point, if one chose).

Genocide is defined as (among other things) the systematic killing of many people of one race or ethnicity, and often specifically because of their race or ethnicity.

“I killed them. I killed them all. And not just the men, but the women, and the children. I killed them all. They’re animals. And I slaughtered them like animals.”

I don’t think the children had anything to do with killing Anakin’s mother. The point of the scene is to show how Anakin went out of his way to kill everyone in that tribe, specifically because they were Tuskens, a group of people that he viewed as not worthy of being persons. I’d call that genocide.

He killed children after he became a Sith, like a day before it was officially the Empire, when it was already the Empire in all but name. At that point, it’s a semantic argument. I understand the sentiment, as it’s absolutely rushed in ROTS, but when he’s christened Darth Vader, he’s supposed to be like, 90% Vader already.

Again, you’re proving my point. You seem to view any actions taken by Vader as understandable because he is Vader, while I’m saying that the killing of children is not understandable even after Anakin became Vader. Vader at the height of his villainy in the OT never killed children, yet Anakin in the PT kills them on two separate occasions, in both cases before he ever puts on the mask. The prequels give us a bizarre situation where Vader actually reaches the height of his evil as a teenager and then he gradually gets less evil as he gets older, at least when measured by his actual deeds.

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#1598651
Topic
What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
Time

In the OT, Vader only ever directly kills enemy (and sometimes allied) combatants. Sure, you could argue that he killed Owen and Beru, but he never stepped foot on Tatooine and those executions were probably the purview of his underlings. Similarly, the Death Star was Tarkin’s project, a project which Vader clearly disliked on a deep and fundamental level. Of course at some level, everyone who supported the Empire had Alderaan’s blood on their hands, but to say that Vader had some unique and singular responsibility for Alderaan seems to be a stretch.

All of this is to say that Vader’s portrayal in the OT gives the vibe of a ruthless military officer, but one who generally restricts his villainy to the military combatants of the war, real or suspected. It is easy to see how this would have been his modus operandi for decades in the Empire while that Empire continued to fall ever further into darkness as it began to target civilians and institute a reign of terror with an ultimate weapon. For Vader, a military man, to see the organization he followed fall like this would be part of the tragedy of his character.

To then suggest that it was in fact Anakin who was monstrous long before the corrupting influence of the Empire even existed is to strike at the core of everything Anakin is in the eyes of his son. If Anakin committed genocide before the Clone Wars, if he killed children before the Empire was formed, then there is no good man for Luke to save. Anakin didn’t become a monster when he became Darth Vader; Anakin was himself a monster, and the apparent dichotomy between Anakin and Vader in the OT simply doesn’t exist. Anakin as a man was always Vader, and Vader was always a monster.

Post
#1597253
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
Time

If I had the LUT that you used for final grading, I could take it and use it to adjust those problem scenes and render them again so that when the LUT is applied in your timeline, the scenes will look correct. You shouldn’t need to change anything in your project, just update the source files to those new renders.

I would just need the LUT for calibration purposes.

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#1596390
Topic
What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
Time

Definitely. But I’d go further. In the Making of ROTJ, Lucas says that Yoda is a teacher, and that is what the moniker ‘Jedi Master’ implies, as opposed to ‘Jedi Knight’. The terms do not denote power level, but rather specialization. Yoda would never intentionally engage an enemy in battle, because his role is purely to instruct. I imagine Yoda and most Jedi practitioners as pacifists, using the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.

Similarly, Palpatine’s role is as a manipulator, subtly influencing people’s minds and actions to suit his ends. Shooting lightning at a Jedi opponent is clearly a last resort, used after every other puppet and mental trick has been exhausted.

Who would win in a fight? Yoda. We already saw that play out across the battlefield of the Original Trilogy, with Yoda and the Emperor using their greatest weapons (Luke and Vader, respectively) and their preferred techniques (teaching and manipulation, respectively). Stripping away their weapons and comparing their base power levels strips the characters of everything that makes them interesting.

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#1596011
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
Time

The V5 workprint is the only version I’ve seen that looks correct. V4 had that same incorrect red tint, which I assume comes from the final color grade but which shouldn’t be applied to the Ahch-to scenes. I imagine things are pretty complicated with all the changes and layers, but ideally there should be a layer in the timeline with the final LUT that is applied to the entire film except for the Ahch-to shots, and actually the Mustafar castle flyby and the Jakku shot should be exempted from the final grade as well, otherwise the highlights turn too red.

That might mean that those scenes (Ahch-to, Mustafar Flyby, and Jakku) should get their own layers above the final grade, or the final grade layer is trimmed to exclude those scenes, but either way the final grade would need to be done on the timeline for it to look right, and not applied as a final encoding step.

Post
#1591516
Topic
<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
Time

I imagine it’s like you said, the prisoners are transferred after serving their first sentence to another prison. I imagine that this new prison isn’t like the old one, but it could be similar. The prisoners could be given new sentences and put to work on new projects, and those who refuse the work are killed. There would probably be enough inmates who still believe they will be set free And/or who are resigned to the work that there’s still value in this scheme.

Post
#1590598
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
Time

I only watched through the Ahch-to scenes, but I noticed that when Luke says ‘her heart’, his ghostly hairline has been doubled somehow.

Also, I know that color correction hasn’t been applied yet, but those scenes look perfect! I just want to give a gentle reminder to leave these scenes as-is when applying the final color grade, so it doesn’t end up too red like in v4 😉

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#1589489
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
Time

All the links have been sent!

DZ-330 said:

Any updates on this project?

Not really. I just haven’t had the time to get back to it with all my other projects.

Though, it does feel like something’s missing from my post…

…oh right, another crawl 😉

EPISODE VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

It is a time of despair.
Luke Skywalker, sworn
to rebuild the legendary
Jedi Order, has vanished.

With the Jedi now facing
extinction, agents of the
evil FIRST ORDER have
risen from the shadows
of an Imperial fortress
to claim supremacy over
countless worlds beyond
the fragile New Republic.

Woefully unprepared for
another galactic war,
the Senate has secretly
commissioned the pilots
of a brave RESISTANCE
to find the last Jedi and
restore the light of hope
to the darkening stars….

Really I’m just messing around with the first two lines of the third paragraph, everything else is locked down as far as I’m concerned.