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#1376004
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The Force Awakens: The Starlight Project - (WIP) <strong>WORKPRINT RELEASED</strong>
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Maybe after the pain has been blunted by time…maybe. 😉

Anyway, on this project I’ve gone back to an earlier concept for the Starkiller Infiltration. The previous iterations all felt too choppy and stitched together, so I’ve consolidated the Mind Trick scenes back into one. The workprint version of the Kylo Falcon scene came after the X-wing attack, which felt strange because it pulled focus away from that action for too long. Besides, it was originally supposed to take place before the fighter attack. Here I’ve returned it to a previous spot after Rey avoids the guards. With the addition of extra dialogue and that establishing shot, I think it works a bit better.

https://vimeo.com/459628132

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#1375713
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Rise of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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Hadrian sunrider said:

The plan is overvalued as it doesn’t take into account audience rejection

Audiences might not like where you are about to take this franchise, it doesn’t matter if you planned it from the beginning, the second you implement it the audience will reject it.

So?

Audiences don’t like Rey or the fact that she is going to restore the Jedi order, no amount of execution is going to save an idea that audiences simply won’t accept.

What are you talking about? I have heard that people have specific issues with Rey, but I’ve never heard people outright dismiss her character or dislike the idea of her restoring the Jedi Order.

The fantastic beasts franchise is obviously meticulously planned, but audiences don’t like the shit Rowling is selling from a foundational level.

That franchise doesn’t seem meticulously planned to me at all; the first movie was about fantastic beasts but the second one treats them as an afterthought. If that was always the plan, then they would have named the series 'Grindlewald and Friends."

Planning for palpatine’s return since the beginning isn’t going to make the idea any less shitty

That’s true, which is why they weren’t planning for Palpatine’s return from the beginning.

You might be put in a situation where audiences demand something other than you planned and you will have to scrap your story and reboot mid series in order to avoid audience rejection.

Again, who cares about audience ‘rejection’ if you’re confident in your story?

Which puts us back to where we came from with the ST(and how episode 9 came out of nowhere)

We don’t need a plan, we need good ideas

A good idea is worthless without committed execution; in other words, a plan.

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#1375494
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Rise of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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Broom Kid said:

Tack said:

macesmajored said:

I believe the fault lies with Disney and the make-believe “Lucasfilm Story Group” that they created

I just want to say I really appreciate you giving such a measured take on the situation.

Is sarcasm?

It’s Abrams’ fault. It’s his name on the movie, his name as producer, his name as writer. He made the movie. Acting like a larger plan would have stopped him from making a bad trilogy-ender doesn’t make any sort of logical sense (almost as little logical sense as saying the story group was “make believe,” or further, thinking the story group was anything but canon checkers for the creatives). He abandoned “the plan” TWICE when making TFA (both Lucas’ notes and then Arndt’s treatments) and it became a much-loved, well-reviewed success - the highest grossing (domestic) film in history (and likely will be for the foreseeable future).

The beginning third of TFA (The one with most of Arnd’s fingerprints) is widely considered to be the best part of that film, and the last third with the Starkiller (JJ’s invention) is widely seen as the weakest aspect. It’s also a film that only worked at the time because the audience was expecting answers to the mystery box questions, questions that were either abandoned or turned out to be blitheringly stupid.

There being “a plan” for The Rise of Skywalker wouldn’t have mattered one whit, because when he did get the chance to come back, he ignored HIS OWN PLANS (Rey Kenobi, Finn the Jedi, Stormtrooper rebellion) to pursue something completely different. And it didn’t work.

Which goes to show that JJ isn’t a guy with a plan. He generates concepts from the beginning of a story to its end, with most of those concepts withering away as new ones take their place.

Had Abrams made a good movie out of his new on the fly plans (like he did with TFA), none of us would be talking about plans, or “executive meddling” (he’s the executive doing the meddling at the behest of other executives, btw). But he made a bad movie, and now we’re all trying to figure out how it could have happened. But the truth is it happened because nobody bats a thousand. He’s made bad movies before, and he made a bad movie again, this time to end the sequel trilogy. The idea that Disney could have stopped that with a “well conceived plan” doesn’t make any sense. It’s wishful thinking. The dude doesn’t follow plans no matter where they come from, even if “Following the plan” were some surefire key to success, and it isn’t.

Every movie is a risk, and there isn’t some cheat code or safety net to prevent bad movies from coming out of the creative process. It takes work, talent, collaboration, skill, and luck. Every time. No matter what the plan is.

I just fundamentally disagree. I think that a script is important. If you hire subpar writers, you get subpar plans. The best part of TFA was Arndt’s and Kasdan’s involvement. But if you look at the rest of JJ’s filmography, you get the man himself, Kurtzman, Orci, and/or Terrio. This team has never made more than a merely competent film.

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#1374018
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Instead of the Vong, have the threat in ROTJ be a secret Separatist fleet where each ship has a mini Death Star led by Viceroy Gunray whose spirit survived ROTS and was reanimated into a cloned body and Vader is searching for this secret fleet in order to control the galaxy after the Emperor died and left him all his Imperial ships which already control the galaxy and Yoda dies but Luke has found a secret holocron which tells of the location of this Separatist fleet and he learns how he’s actually the cloned son of Gunray which means he’s destined to become the leader of the Final Trade Federation and he must resist this temptation in order to use two lightsabers he didn’t build to beat the clone of Gunray while dying in the process but luckily Vader tuns good and brings Luke back from the dead leading to a romantic kiss and then the Separatist fleet blows up conveniently and the galaxy rises up against the Empire off screen and Yoda’s body finally disappears and Chewie gets a medal for winning the Clone Wars and Luke goes back to Naboo and buries some lightsabers in the sand and tries to guess the names of the birds singing.

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#1371976
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The Force Awakens: The Starlight Project - (WIP) <strong>WORKPRINT RELEASED</strong>
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All of the TLJ concepts I’ve come up with are still just concepts, though TFA is nearing something I can live with. At the moment, my plan is to finish TFA and maybe do a less extreme version of TLJ to match up with the ending of TFA. I know there’s a thread for TROS but right now I wouldn’t put any money on it being done. Most of my remaining Star Wars energy right now is being put into an alternate Ep 9 script because that’s the only way I can think to do these characters justice.

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#1371925
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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I think the method is that his spirit can be coaxed back into a clone body through a Sith Cultist ritual or something.

Of course, this leaves open the possibility that some new cultists could just clone him again, which rather ruins the finality of the whole exercise even if they say ‘no really, he’s defeated forever this time!’