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#1205521
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I see the value of the term when used to describe reference to something totally unrelated that distracts from the topic at hand.

But sometimes the term is used to describe things that are invoked to add context or direct comparison. And when the term is (mis)used in that way, I find it just as bad.

And sometimes it’s hard to tell if a person is seeking to distract or intending to broaden the discussion.

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#1205469
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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CatBus said:

SilverWook said:

Isn’t it still an illegal operation no matter who was in the Oval Office at the time? Or is it okay in this kid’s world view because both allegedly did the same thing? He’s not thinking his put downs through.

The point of “what-aboutism” is that it changes the subject. It even worked on us.

Is that the point of it? Asking for a friend.

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#1205079
Topic
Religion
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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Dek Rollins said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:
I’ve got to say that it does sound a bit harsh to deny the opportunity of life to someone who might grow up in hard conditions. Is it better that they never lived or to give them a shot despite the chances of being miserable?

One could use that sort of logic to conclude that using birth control is immoral. After all, what if your parents had used birth control? Then you wouldn’t have had a chance at life.

Good point.

I guess it really all comes back to the issue of when does a life truly begin. And to that, I do not know. Any time I define a point along the development of a human, I always feel unsure.

Right. This is why I prefer that laws on this follow scientific opinion rather than religious opinion.

And by science, doesn’t life begin at conception? That’s when the child starts growing anyway, which sounds pretty scientific to me.

“Life” begins long before conception. The unfertilized egg - heck even a red blood cell - is alive, but that doesn’t make it a person. Is it immoral to allow a blood cell to die? Is it immoral to get your hair cut because of the living hair cells that then are killed? The question isn’t whether it is “alive”, the question is at what point does a single fertilized cell become a human being.

Most religions have chosen to define that moment as the time of conception, but that is a wholly spiritual marker, since the only unique marker at that point is DNA - which is present in every cell of our body that we seem to be perfectly ok with when it dies (such as a blood cell or hair cell). In my opinion (and in the opinion of the courts), there are many other more reasonable points along the growth path that are less arbitrary, such as when the brain becomes active for the first time.

I think it’s much easier to identify a discrete human life. A human life goes through various stages of development, starting at conception. Whether that was the function of sperm+egg or parthenogenesis (could happen, I think), we can identify that discrete life’s start. We easily recognize that a person is separate from his parents, even though he is a grotesque amalgamation of their DNA. DNA is a very useful marker to identify a person. But obviously that doesn’t mean DNA is a person.

According to the logic here we would identify a human being as starting with Adam (whether a man or amoeba). It’s silly.

The question is not whether it is a human being, but whether the killing is justifiable.

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#1204922
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Religion
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Collipso said:

how about a comatose person who’s going to wake up and be so mistreated by their family and the rest of society that they’ll never get a job and become depressed and turn to crime asap because it’s the easiest way to ‘succeed’ in life? pretty sure that’d be the situation with several unborn children.

I guess we put a pillow over their face before we have to worry about them overcoming their bad deeds and accepting Jesus.

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#1204916
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Religion
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Possessed said:

Dek Rollins said:

Possessed said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Yeah, I think keeping a comatose person alive for years with no hope of a solution is inhumane.

I mean a comatose person who will definitely wake up. Someone who is completely unconscious but will eventually recover. According to your own words, killing that person (not ‘pulling the plug’) while they sleep is not actually murder.

If you think somebody who is knocked out is the same as a mass of cells that don’t even resemble a person are the same then you are a pure and unabashed idiot.

How? That mass of cells will resemble a person in six months. What’s the difference?

Because we aren’t talking about in six months?


By this line of thinking masturbation is murder because that sperm COULD have fertilized an egg down the line.

That comparison makes no sense. A fetus - absent a tragedy - will “resemble” a person. That is a very different kind of potentiality.