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#1204889
Topic
Religion
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Yeah, I think keeping a comatose person alive for years with no hope of a solution is inhumane.

I mean a comatose person who will definitely wake up. Someone who is completely unconscious but will eventually recover. According to your own words, killing that person (not ‘pulling the plug’) while they sleep is not actually murder.

That’s actually the opposite of my own words. If there’s reason to believe he could wake up, then yes that’s murder.

I think I posted this in a thread recently: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/brain-dead-boy-wakes-up-a-day-before-doctors-set-to-pull-life-10213204

Every so often I see these stories of someone considered brain dead and they’re ready to pull the plug and then they’re alive and well.

With a fetus you know it’s going to become conscious, absent some tragedy. So allowing for ending its life early on, knowing it IS going to ‘wake up,’ seems hard to distinguish, logically, from someone on life support that you know or suspect will wake up.

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#1204872
Topic
Religion
Time

Setting aside poor phrasing that seems to run counter to what Dek is saying, Dek’s point makes plenty sense when understood that he is speaking about the moral value of a life.

To illustrate, miscarriage is common in pregnancy and usually occurs fairly early on. Losing a child at 6 weeks is painful. I think losing at several months would feel worse. I don’t know that either of those compares to losing a child at 14 years old. That’s not to say that each life has a different moral weight, but the sense of loss seems greater for different situations. In the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” thread there was discussion of it being basically ‘worse’ when a young person dies. I think that’s the thinking that caused Dek to fall into that poor phrasing while trying to talk about moral value of life. He tried to recognize the reality of those feelings while trying to stick to his point.

As for the use of the word “murder,” I admit that doesn’t always sit well with me, but there are laws that treat the killing of a fetus or embryo as murder (as when someone assaults a pregnant woman).

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#1204768
Topic
Religion
Time

TV’s Frink said:

It’s never wise to ask for something conclusive regarding religion.

I would like your personal views, and what your religions teach.

On the two specific answers, would I know I’ve been separated from God? The ceasing to exist part doesn’t sound like hell, it sounds like the most likely thing that happens to everyone that dies, so that’s a strange way to look at hell IMO.

I don’t belong to a religion fwiw. If one believes in souls and God, ceasing to exist = destruction and not something that happens as a matter of course to everybody. Between eternal paradise and ceasing to exist, it seems a great punishment.

Being separated from God would entail knowledge of it. Spending eternity with no meaning and no escape.

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#1204760
Topic
Religion
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron you were supposedly so desperate for legitimate discussion that you couldn’t stop complaining about me, are you going to ever actually answer the legitimate questions I posed?

I will wait for someone else (who believes) to reply and perhaps add my opinion in response to what they said. I don’t want to be responsible for giving people the opportunity to shoot me down outright with regard to my answer, especially when I’m not even sure the question is genuine.

This response makes your earlier complaints ring quite hollow.

No. 1) I’m not convinced you aren’t trying to stir things up, 2) I’m not concrete on the subject, and 3) it’s not a topic I favor.

I thought we did discuss this topic not long ago.

Refresh my memory.

Try rebooting, I’m not motivated to trawl.

Ok so that’s two people that have no interest in an actual discussion. Is there anyone else that would like to answer, or just go back to telling me I’m the one not contributing to the thread?

I referenced a previous discussion, don’t remember how many posts it went on for, and don’t recall sufficiently to provide you with a summary, if that’s what you’re looking for. And I’m not motivated to go looking for it. Me doing legwork for you doesn’t constitute a discussion.

I thought you were part of that previous discussion but again I can’t recall it that well.

I don’t care what the previous discussion was, I don’t remember it. I’m not asking for a summary of the previous discussion, I’m asking for answers to my questions, and all I’m getting is two people dodging it.

I’m not dodging. You got your teeth in this and chyron doesn’t want to answer and I say, didn’t we just discuss this?

You didn’t answer my question of what kind of answer you want? Something conclusive? chyron’s (or my) personal view? The Biblical take?

If you want my view, I don’t really know either but the description of a separation from God or perhaps ceasing to exist make sense to my mind.

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#1204750
Topic
Religion
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron you were supposedly so desperate for legitimate discussion that you couldn’t stop complaining about me, are you going to ever actually answer the legitimate questions I posed?

I will wait for someone else (who believes) to reply and perhaps add my opinion in response to what they said. I don’t want to be responsible for giving people the opportunity to shoot me down outright with regard to my answer, especially when I’m not even sure the question is genuine.

This response makes your earlier complaints ring quite hollow.

No. 1) I’m not convinced you aren’t trying to stir things up, 2) I’m not concrete on the subject, and 3) it’s not a topic I favor.

I thought we did discuss this topic not long ago.

Refresh my memory.

Try rebooting, I’m not motivated to trawl.

Ok so that’s two people that have no interest in an actual discussion. Is there anyone else that would like to answer, or just go back to telling me I’m the one not contributing to the thread?

I referenced a previous discussion, don’t remember how many posts it went on for, and don’t recall sufficiently to provide you with a summary, if that’s what you’re looking for. And I’m not motivated to go looking for it. Me doing legwork for you doesn’t constitute a discussion.

I thought you were part of that previous discussion but again I can’t recall it that well.

Post
#1204741
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

NeverarGreat said:

Does anyone else get the feeling that America is in the midst of a political party realignment?

Now that everything that the (largely Republican) FBI does is labeled by the right as the ‘Deep State’, and the Republican congress and Executive branch has largely abandoned the traditions of those offices, it feels like Republicans have become deeply anti-traditional governance. Now Democrats are rushing to its defense, invoking the Constitution, giving governmental institutions the benefit of the doubt.

Similarly, the Democratic party is now more firmly the party of the educated elites, whereas the Republican party is courting more people who would otherwise be politically uninvolved.

Yes. The dusty old paradigms are being swept away (i.e. I disagree with CatBus). The religious and moral identities are being shaken up too.

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#1204732
Topic
Religion
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron you were supposedly so desperate for legitimate discussion that you couldn’t stop complaining about me, are you going to ever actually answer the legitimate questions I posed?

I will wait for someone else (who believes) to reply and perhaps add my opinion in response to what they said. I don’t want to be responsible for giving people the opportunity to shoot me down outright with regard to my answer, especially when I’m not even sure the question is genuine.

This response makes your earlier complaints ring quite hollow.

No. 1) I’m not convinced you aren’t trying to stir things up, 2) I’m not concrete on the subject, and 3) it’s not a topic I favor.

I thought we did discuss this topic not long ago.

Refresh my memory.

Try rebooting, I’m not motivated to trawl.

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#1204713
Topic
Religion
Time

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron you were supposedly so desperate for legitimate discussion that you couldn’t stop complaining about me, are you going to ever actually answer the legitimate questions I posed?

I will wait for someone else (who believes) to reply and perhaps add my opinion in response to what they said. I don’t want to be responsible for giving people the opportunity to shoot me down outright with regard to my answer, especially when I’m not even sure the question is genuine.

This response makes your earlier complaints ring quite hollow.

No. 1) I’m not convinced you aren’t trying to stir things up, 2) I’m not concrete on the subject, and 3) it’s not a topic I favor.

I thought we did discuss this topic not long ago. Are we looking for something more conclusive? Or just chyron’s personal and incomplete (as he suggests) view?

I think oojason is close to the truth. And if Frink wants donuts I’m sure they’ll put in an order for him.

Post
#1204411
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

He’s speaking my language.

“My favorite meat is hot dog, by the way. That is my favorite meat,” he told a gathering of supporters as they joined him recently for a casual dinner organized by his campaign. “My second favorite meat is hamburger. And, everyone says, oh, don’t you prefer steak? It’s like, I know steaks are great, but I like hot dog best, and I like hamburger next best.”

Is that a real quote? I read that somewhere and I thought it was from the Onion, but I guess I don’t know anymore.

I know, I googled twice and I’m still not convinced.

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#1204389
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

He’s speaking my language.

“My favorite meat is hot dog, by the way. That is my favorite meat,” he told a gathering of supporters as they joined him recently for a casual dinner organized by his campaign. “My second favorite meat is hamburger. And, everyone says, oh, don’t you prefer steak? It’s like, I know steaks are great, but I like hot dog best, and I like hamburger next best.”

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#1204381
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Do you have a link? What I see was that the payments occurred before the Russian(Vekselberg) was put on the sanctions list. And the Russian link, is that a NY company, whose biggest client is a company controlled by Vekselberg, gave money. There may be dots to connect, but at least on those facts there doesn’t appear to be a sanctions violation.

Possible bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and especially any evidence that the campaign knowingly took money from Moscow…would be serious as you say.

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#1204342
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Yeah, same. The reason that I assume you’re up to some kind of word game or mind game with your posts is because they honestly make no sense to me and the reasoning for posting a lot of the stuff you post also makes no sense to me. The prospect of you fishing for a specific response in order to prove some point is actually me giving you the benefit of the doubt because it’s the only way that I can think of to make sense of your posts. Otherwise I’d just have to assume that you literally aren’t aware of most of the conversations you’re participating in.

I don’t know how to help with the confusion. On some issues you and I are coming from very different places but I don’t know what has been unintelligible. Sometimes maybe it’s just about accepting someone could actually hold the view that they say, such as me thinking Frink’s comment was an odd nonsequitur. Obviously you don’t have to agree, but you should be able to understand.

Anyway, as they say, nobody expects the Spanish Inquistion!

Post
#1204279
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

Firstly it’s weird to focus on me and my supposed motivations (perilously close to the attempts by some to psychoanalyze members).

Really? There’s no comparison.

Yeah, it’s not psychoanalyzing. It’s just the interpretation that makes the most sense to me.

That sounds like the same defense we heard before. Depends I guess on how you dress up the argument. The offensiveness isn’t much different.

In fact it’s actually the only way that your posts make sense to me. If anything, I’m kind of giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that there actually is motivation behind your posts.

I suggest reading my posts without worrying about a secret endgame. It’s really so bizarre to me. If you’re ever curious about a reason for a post, ask. I’ve asked you about the motivation of some of your posts. And I don’t recall any kind of gotcha moment coming from that.

Sometimes my motivation is curiosity, sometimes disagreement, sometimes humorous.

Assumptions will get in the way of understanding.

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#1204205
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

If you take my posts at face value rather than skittering around like I’m going to trap you somehow, confusion will disappear.

That actually makes it more confusing. I took your posts at face value and that’s how I came to the conclusion that you’re fishing for a specific response with most of them.

This doesn’t make sense to me. If I’m not demanding a specific response, reading it that way isn’t taking it at face value.

Would it somehow seem less tricky if I phrased my post to Frink as, “what does that have to do with anything?” Or is that kind of response tricky?

That would’ve made a lot more sense, actually. It would feel like less of a “gotchya.”

I don’t see a gotcha in me stating I don’t think something is relevant. Posing something as a question seems a better way of setting up some kind of gotcha, but that sounds silly too. To the extent I was unclear, I stated again I don’t see the relevance. That’s straightforward.

Sometimes I may be seeking to make a point and maybe get someone to see a different perspective (oh, the horror). But I think my posts are straightforward. Often Frink seems to think I’m saying something I’m not and his disbelief is weird.

It isn’t that you’re trying to get people to see a different perspective, it’s that you (seem to be) trying to get people to say something or allude to something so that you can then point out their contradictions or their hypocrisy. I don’t know what you’re up to, but it seems like it’s something like that.

Firstly it’s weird to focus on me and my supposed motivations (perilously close to the attempts by some to psychoanalyze members). Where I think there is a contradiction in positions I may state it. Just as any number of people in these threads do. If you spot a contradiction in something I’ve said somewhere (which wouldn’t surprise me) I’d answer it rather than wonder what’s wrong with you.

Here it was really just a reaction to Frink pulling out the, “but what about these guys I don’t like,” card.

I don’t think it was a card. I’d hate to presume to speak for someone else, but I doubt that Frink feels so strongly about the New York AG that he felt the need to redirect the attention toward someone else.

I thought it odd and stated so.

I’d expect someone to think it odd if I offered the same kind of nonsequitur. Maybe that person would state it doesn’t make sense, maybe they’d pose it as a question, maybe they’d jump to questioning my motives. My answer would probably be the same regardless, explaining why it makes sense. Then they could believe it or not.

I don’t see how it’s more complicated.

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#1204109
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

If you take my posts at face value rather than skittering around like I’m going to trap you somehow, confusion will disappear.

Would it somehow seem less tricky if I phrased my post to Frink as, “what does that have to do with anything?” Or is that kind of response tricky?

Sometimes I may be seeking to make a point and maybe get someone to see a different perspective (oh, the horror). But I think my posts are straightforward. Often Frink seems to think I’m saying something I’m not and his disbelief is weird.

Here it was really just a reaction to Frink pulling out the, “but what about these guys I don’t like,” card.

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#1204087
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

It’s hard to get more hypocritical than a religious person going against the theoretical word of God.

Sure glad we aren’t talking about those bad Democrats anymore!

I talked bad about Obama a few posts ago.

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT OR SOMETHING?!?!

Just like evangelicals!

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#1204046
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

Frink, I think it’s more notable how lousy NY politicians are, rather than citing some unrelated example of hypocrisy.

You have your perspective and I have mine, but thanks for the unnecessary explanation on yours.

Less about perspective than nonsequiturs. Like if you commented on hypocritical evangelicalism and I said, kinda like liberal politicians who assault women. What would be the point? To suggest such hypocrisy isn’t remarkable? To distract from the topic at hand? I’d enjoy your own unnecessary explanation.