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Mrebo

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#1234411
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Culture, politics, and diversity in Star Wars
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DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’m almost disappointed nick was banned. This discussion was on the cusp of becoming amusing.

I’m just sad everyone glossed over this amazing statement

nickyd47 said:

The political parallels in ROTS were so subtle though, in my opinion. You wouldn’t know that was the connection he was making until you read about it.

If you were aware of news and politics at the time some hamfisted parallels were apparent. But looking at the film now, either with faded memory or unaware of the specific era, I think parallels aren’t obvious.

Who watches TPM and thinks of Bosnia and Rwanda? (Watch from about 11 minute mark). Like the guy in the video says, the political messaging may be obvious in the historical context but gets undermined by how the story is told. The guy describes the references “vague shoutouts to current events” which I think best describes what we ultimately take away.

ROTS was, I think, more hamfisted in its approach than TPM. In that sense it was obvious, at least at the time. But I completely understand the dearly departed nickyd’s obliviousness to any really obvious parallel in ROTS.

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#1234202
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jeebus said:

Mrebo said:

If I were the proverbial person from Mars and you wanted to convince me that Naziism/white supremacy is gaining a foothold in US society and politics, these aren’t convincing examples.

  1. A guy in Illinois with no chance of winning who was completely disavowed by the GOP

What about a Nazi winning the Missouri House primary by 25 points?

The Martian is not impressed. It is amazing what kind of people can be elected in state houses but it’s not proof that Naziism is sweeping the nation.

Antisemitism was a major part of actual Nazism and for whatever reason has found quarter on the Left. That is something that I do find worrisome. (The Missouri candidate expresses antisemitism which is more rare among candidates on the Right.)

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#1234184
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron, think there is a misconception. Nativism and nationalism predate and exist independently of Naziism/white supremacy. That is why I contest that they belong to those ideologies. I’m not saying they aren’t also part of those ideologies.

And of course the debate over borders is much broader. People of all different ethnicities and political views may dislike immigrants coming to work here. And that’s not ‘border security,’ there’s nativism there but also simple economic selfishness. This is all much more complicated than Nazis!

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#1234178
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Conservatives set their hair on fire when Democrats are in office, insisting they’re trying to establish socialism (or even communism) in the US. All kinds of associations and statements are offered as evidence. Socialism actually does get a following and respect among Dems but I think it’s still a fringe view, Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez notwithstanding. I don’t think I’m too complacent about that odious ideology, just realistic about the lacking acceptance of it. I recall the Left going ballistic when the Right called Obama and his policies socialist. The definition of socialism was trotted out as refutation, and they were right. That’s not to say I supported the policies or wasn’t concerned they could be used as stepping stones to socialism, but if “socialist” or “Nazi” have any real meaning they shouldn’t be thrown around so willy nilly.

Bush was accused of trying to establish a theocracy. That was similarly absurd. This is the same old song and dance with the same sparse evidence. Except now it’s being used to justify Leftist violence.

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#1234168
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Culture, politics, and diversity in Star Wars
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I think the dynamic between Holdo and Poe serves as a good example of where miscommunication among fans turns sour.

Poe just wasn’t getting it, though it was hard for some of the audience not to think he was right even after the fact. But we’re told there is a meaningful message from accepting that Poe was failing. Holdo may not have been perfect but she didn’t do anything wrong. A certain deference was owed to her, however collegial and close-knit the Resistance was.

Some will hate on Holdo and favor Poe. Others will declare that response sexist. Whatever agenda we think was at work, maybe we can agree that, “the greatest teacher, failure is.”

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#1234148
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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If I were the proverbial person from Mars and you wanted to convince me that Naziism/white supremacy is gaining a foothold in US society and politics, these aren’t convincing examples.

  1. A guy in Illinois with no chance of winning who was completely disavowed by the GOP

  2. 20 people holding signs.

  3. Steve King who has been in Congress 15 years. During that time he’s said ignorant and racist things but he’s not an insurgent Nazi.

It should go without saying you can find people with loathesome views. You can find violent racists. What I see totally lacking is a popular appeal that would give Nazis/white supremacists power. The pathetic turnout for the recent “rally” supports my view.

In these discussions I see the definitions blurred so that Nazi becomes a general slur against positions that may be objectionable but don’t belong to Nazis/white supremacists, like nativist/anti-immigrant positions. Those ideas have had some sway throughout our history. I don’t like those views either. The idea that civil society is done and there’s a whole bunch of Hitlerites running around that need punching is not supported by the facts.

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#1233985
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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As I understand it about 20 weirdos marched around in a circle for a little while and that’s what you’re concerned about. I think the proper thing is to not give those people any attention. You think, however, that
“most of the rightwing” needs to talk about them as if they’re actually significant. And you raise all this in response to a post about violent nitwits, as if somehow they’re excused because there were other nitwits that spurred them into gathering. Your post makes no sense.