The Yorkshire Television airing is a PAL speedup. I would guess that the other ITV airings are also sped up.
Those names are not familiar. Someone linked me a Mega folder, but the vast majority of his rips were the exact same as I had, which I downloaded in 2011.
The three episodes I did were from the best cap source available at the time, one that had somewhat flickery colors, but was complete and slightly undercut, from Toonami UK.
Oh, that’s strange. Last time I talked to Arien he seemed to believe you were a friend of Clutchins going by the name of usotsuki over on Kametsu, guess he was mistaken.
He wasn’t mistaken.
Yes, I also have the TVrips you’re referring to. Most of those were collected on the now closed Cartoon World forum from back in the day. However, since around 2014 Dismantles revealed on Kametsu that he’s gotten possession of a bunch of YTV recordings. I’ve talked to Arien about this (who’s a friend of his) and he’s told me that the tapes feature high quality audio of all the Ocean and Blue Water dubbed episodes that aired in Canada, so for DBZ that would start off somewhere around the Cell Games saga when Gohan transforms and continue until the end of the series. The Trunks/Android & Early Cell saga episodes only aired in the UK and Netherlands so they’re unfortunately not available in the same quality.
I’m aware Canada switched to this dub later.
That being said, last three Toonami links I posted were taken from DVD recordings by a person in the UK called Robo4900. Arien recently made a trade with him in order to acquire recordings of DBZ episodes 115-120 + 192 as well as GT episodes 52-56 + 64. This was a great find, especially for the Android saga episodes which weren’t apart of the YTV recordings.
I’ve been in contact with him over on Rizon. We exchanged a few rips.
Dismantles and Arien have talked about doing a remaster similar to yours (using FUNi singles as a video source for authenticity) and have expressed interest in getting help with that. It does appear that it’s taking Dismantles a very long time to digitize the tapes though so no word yet on when the audio will be made available.
I used the Dragon Box with color correction because it’s higher quality, but still used the Funi singles to provide title cards - because while authenticity is important to me, I’d rather work from a higher quality source.
With all these new sources a new remaster is bound to happen, it’s just a matter of when.
Those names are not familiar. Someone linked me a Mega folder, but the vast majority of his rips were the exact same as I had, which I downloaded in 2011.
The three episodes I did were from the best cap source available at the time, one that had somewhat flickery colors, but was complete and slightly undercut, from Toonami UK.
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The extent of my DNR is a filter called MDegrain2.
Ooh, nice.
I just released 3 episodes of Z on Nyaa.
How about May 25? 😉 That’s always the best day to release a Star Wars movie.
I agree, and as far as I had done it - I think I had a 24 fps DVD and the Yorkshire rip synched up, plus all the extra footage synched in with the BD rip I acquired, and had done maybe 20 or 25 minutes before I got and decided to try to integrate the WXYZ cap - that’s where I was when I left off. (It’s kind-of hard to do it in Avisynth/AvsPMod, but doable.) I was panscanning the widescreen footage myself, roughly similar to the Yorkshire airing.
You’re talking about pan/scan and tilt/scan. Letterboxing is adding borders on the top and bottom; pillarboxing is adding borders on the sides.
Not to my knowledge.
I was working on hacking together a RIC of sorts, but shortly after I started trying to synch up the third rip, I burned out and set to work on other projects (this happens a lot to me since I frequently juggle several projects at once) - I might try going back to it soon if I feel up to it.
I use QTGMC(“Fast”).SRestore(23.976) for PAL-to-NTSC deconversions, for what it’s worth.
Does he even have any more 97age than that?
Got a fairly precise tag on that ABC recording: WXYZ (Detroit, MI), April 20 1986; broadcast started at 8 pm, but about an hour is missing, not including commercials.
Pan-scanning is proving to be the most tedious part. That said, the two TV sources I already had do not have identical cropping, so perhaps it was done further down the line.
Alright, just found two more rips of 3 on the Spleen, so I’ll add them to my comparison.
A couple friends of mine have offered to procure me the BD of Superman 3. In the meantime, I’ve done an analysis using a rip, so I’ve only got the theatrical to work with - that should change soon.
There are a LOT of small additions to the Yorkshire airing. There’s also one cut, as well as the closing credits being trimmed so they only start with the cast. Also, one addition has a bumper (as for a cut to commercial) right in the middle of it.
Given further source, and once I’ve procured the actual BD, I should be able to synch everything up and try to put something together.
A curiosity: do any of the extant TV rips have the opening bumper intact, and which one? I remember seeing Superman 2 on TV in the theatrical cut and the WB logo was the same one as on the RIC, but I didn’t catch such for Superman 3, and I know the BDs for Superman 2, 3 and 4 are all plastered with the current logo. (Obviously Superman 2 is also plastered on the RIC and the TV master I saw, as the Shield of Staleness didn’t show up until several years after the movie came out!)
NTSC 1-disc version. Used to have the NTSC 2-disc version it was based on but I lost it.
I don’t think I’ve run into any issues importing stuff into Avisynth to do my tests…
To be bluray compliant I’m going with 1280x720 (pillarboxed) for the 4:3 version, and 1920x1080 for the widescreen.
Does anyone have any tips on upscaling the DVD footage from the RIC? I have magicbullet for after effects, but if there is a better option I’d like to know. I need to increase the the size by 28%, and it would be nice for it to look as good as possible.
Also, I don’t know how possible it is, but is there any way of sorting out the interlacing that is present in the added footage. The DVD is interlaced. When I open it in TMPGEnc and turn on de-interlace, all of the footage shows as de-interlaced apart from the new stuff. The makers of the original disc must have messed up somewhere in their workflow and it means there are a lot of frames that look like this:
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Could this be sorted out with avisynth?
How good results would nnedi3_rpow2(2) look, giving you 1440x960 out of the vob?
The ISO I have of the RIC is progressive, though I usually have DGIndex process everything as actual 30i, and then go in and ivtc it in Avisynth.
In some particular bad cases, I’ve been able to use qtgmc and/or srestore to fix some interlacing/telecine issues. No idea if this will fix your specific problem.
One thing you’ll notice when you get the bluray is that the theatrical cut’s colour timing is completely different to the DVD master and also looks nothing like the Donner Cut. The colours on the blurays are all over the place. Superman the movie extended version and TRDC being the least affected. The theatrical cut of 1 and 2, and movies 3 and 4 look drastically different to how they looked before, with skin toines and Superman’s suit looking very off.
I’m not sure - sometimes the RIC looks more like the theatrical BD, sometimes more like the RDC BD. For the prison laundry sequence and the Houston sequence, it’s definitely closer to the theatrical but for the Daily Planet invasion later in the film, it’s much closer to Donner.
I’ve completely recoloured 3 and 4 already, and have some work done on the Lester version. I don’t just want to match it to the Donner version though, as that looks a bit off. Colours are too saturated, the fortress looks blue, etc. I want to tweak the Donner Cut and try to get as close to that with the lester version.
Sounds reasonable.
Regarding the Superman 3 RIC, a lot of the deleted scenes are on the bluray, but not all. They are 4:3 SD, but from a good master. They could be used to fill in a lot of gaps. The main component missing to do a great quality composite is the beginning space credits and the opening sequence without the regular credits overlayed.
Nice.
It’s a pity we don’t have better quality of everything, but it sounds like a RIC of Superman 3 would certainly look a lot better than the Superman 2 RIC.
Just an fyi, those are PAL sizes. The original NTSC would be preferable.
They’re actually in between NTSC and PAL. 😉 As well, scaling the BD to 1280x720 yields a cropped image of 1280x528 - so 704x528 is probably a good compromise resolution if compatibility with hardware players is not an object (for me, it isn’t, although I understand for most people here it is).
Just got to thinking. I know there’s a cap of Superman 3 from some ITV affiliate - are there any other caps of the extended cut in circulation? I’m wondering if perhaps another cap could be used to compensate for flaws in the one I have.
As far as I know I have all available version of Superman 3 TV version that have been put to DVD
Yorkshire TV version. (Single layer DVD)
This is the one I had, and referred to as from “some ITV affiliate”. The tape it comes from seems to be somewhat worn (but the audio, while muffly, is adequate, and the video is certainly watchable).
BLAX version. (Single layer DVD)
Unknown source PAL capture (2 x Single layer DVD)
1986 ABC version (Single layer DVD) (missing first 50 minutes)
These I was not aware of.
I think this version is currently the best all around quality version you can get although it isn’t complete. I hadn’t noticed until after it was released, but the “Smallville Flash” part of the drinking scene is missing. It’s present in the BLAX version and the YTV version, but not the ABC or 2 disc PAL version. It’s probably worth going though all versions just to see if there are any other bits exclusive to the different captures.
I don’t disagree. Isn’t that basically how the Superman 2 RIC was cut together?
I think a best version could be created using the movie and deleted scenes from the bluray, and filling in the rest from VHS. It would be nice to get a good quality source to work from, particularly for those 50 minutes missing from the ABC cut, but idealy the whole thing.
Again, I agree.
Not having the BD yet, I don’t know how much that would entail.
I’ve made some progress on Superman 2. I have pan and scanned about 2 hours of the bluray to recreate the TV cut. Still need to do the last half hour. The whole thing is going to need colour correcting to match all of the different sources. I’ve used the opening and end credits from a HDTV rip since the whites are blown out on the bluray and they look bad. I’ve also done this for a few shots where detail is lost from the blow out, explosions and stuff like that. The VHS footage still needs to be upscaled and added in. I’m looking into how to do that in best quality.
You’re well ahead of me, since I’m still analyzing the different cuts to decide if there’s anything I can use the Donner cut for (and color matching would certainly be a pain for some scenes, where you can’t take the video from a single source).
I really noticed this when trying to cut together the “mission control” sequence (with the “hair dryer” joke from the Donner cut after most of the scene from the Lester cut and then a piece of shot from the RIC).
Just got to thinking. I know there’s a cap of Superman 3 from some ITV affiliate - are there any other caps of the extended cut in circulation? I’m wondering if perhaps another cap could be used to compensate for flaws in the one I have.
By the way, I’ve been doing comparison shots to try to determine the best approach for certain scenes in Superman 2.
Sure, why not. 😉 It’s got to be better than what I’ve done so far.
Given that the deleted scenes on the Donner BD are still anamorphic SD MPEG2 (two of them, at least, are in the RIC), would you clean them up or use the RIC versions?
I know the “Son of Jor-el, prepare to die” sequence is identical to the RIC. I haven’t checked the “Arctic Patrol” scene.
I think it may take two different approaches to do the two edits depending on whether I want quality or authenticity.
The “alpha waves/pasta fazoli” shot seems to be different in all three cuts (the OTV lacks the “pasta fazoli” part, which both the RIC and RDC have, but the RIC and RDC are obviously different takes, as marked by Otis’s slightly different reaction to the mention of alpha waves). Most likely for an authentic cut I’d need to use the RIC footage, but for a high quality cut, the RDC would be a better choice.
(This may be already well known to most people, but reflects my analysis of the RIC while reconstructing it.)
I’ve analyzed up to 23 minutes and afaict this is all exclusive:
Having an HD scan of 97SE ESB would be really helpful for a despecialization of ESB, just to have chimp-woman in HD.
I think there are probably quite a few scans of the chimp woman in HD at this point. Recently, with decent color, too. But, it’s possible that a 97 print might have much less damage present.
…yeah, should’ve clarified.
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