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shanerjedi said:

About the RotJ change to Coruscant idea, why would Endor have to be changed?

 

You could keep Endor the same with the same mission but instead of blowing up the shield generator protecting the DS2 it's some big gun. Hell, it even looks like a gun!

Maybe that gun is some thing that worries the rebel fleet enough to keep the attack away until Han and co. disable it. Then the fleet could arrive and take on the Imperial fleet.

You could even conceivably keep some of the smae shots of the DS2 laser destroying the fleet ships, instead it comes from the generator/gun on Endor.

Then you just transfer Luke to Coruscant and have the Emperor's tower on Imperial city and have that throne room be HIS real throne room.

 

 A large gun on the "sanctuary moon" (orbiting Had Abaddon) shooting at the DS2s and ships is from the Revenge of the Jedi draft as well. In the draft Leia and a team of rebels take it over and blow up one of the Death Stars with it.

A lot of suggested ideas here are in the Revenge Draft. Funny.

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Monroville said:

I think it's one of those things where a lightsabre is only on if the user has his/her finger on the activation button.  Thus, once one takes their finger off the button, it automatically deactivates (or in this case, their entire hand).

Granted, in JEDI Vader throws his lightsabre at Luke up on the walkway and the sabre stays activated when it knocks the walkway down (and Luke with it).  One can say that a Force user can use the Force to keep the button pressed down to allow the throwing of an active lightsabre, but that would require at least a small bit of concentration.  When one is getting their hand chopped off, it's probably a bit hard to concentrate on anything.

 

I always assumed there was a lock feature on the activation button. Like you have on some flash lights.....

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After watching RLM reviews.... I don't know if the prequels could ever be saved.

I would be happy if Adywan ended after ARSE.

I've been tossing around the idea of a reconstructing of the Phantom Edit/Attack of the Phantom in HD. But that is for another thread :)

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TheoOdo said:

A lot of attention has been given in this thread to the second Death Star of Return of the Jedi. I have to say, I agree with Gary Kurtz when he says it was basically a remake of the first film.

I think this is wrong on two levels. Firstly, it's unoriginal. Secondly, it makes the conclusion of the saga less dynamic.

How to correct this?

Allow me to suggest a radical alteration.

Rather than the Death Star II, the entire final battle could instead take place on or in the space above the Imperial home planet. For now, let's call it "Had Abaddon" as in the original Star Wars outlines.

The Rebel plan, therefore, would be to knock out the planetary shield generator which is in place to allow the Imperial officials to decide who enters and who exits the planet. Essentially, Had Abaddon is a near prison planet with all movement in and out tightly controlled.

The Rebels need to gain access to the planet so as to launch an assault on the Imperial Palace. They can do this by flying down into the lower city, through a service channel and destroying the palace's main reactor. Once the reactor is destroyed, it will explode massively and take the palace - and the vast majority of the Imperial government - with it. It would, in essence, be an intergalactic gunpowder plot.

Why would this work thematically?

Most of the series takes place on the frontiers of the galaxy. By bringing it into the belly of the beast, the tension would rise dramatically - unlike in the current version where (I feel) the Death Star's reappearance feels stale. Yet another conflict on the frontier.

How to do this?

There are, of course, certain problems. Namely, to design the setting for the city would be a very difficult technical task on the scale of the Blade Runner cityscapes. Secondly, there's the fact that most of the plot appears to revolve around the much maligned Ewoks.

One way of solving this would be to get your hands on the footage of Han Solo, Leia and the Rebels battling in the Imperial bunker. This, rather than the ground battle with the Imperial troops, could be the delay which causes the entire space battle to take place. Leia's seperation from the group would be removed and the speeder-bike section could take place along one of the speeder-lanes which we see in this Ralph McQuarrie illustration below.

The troops, after their encounter with the Stormtroopers, make their camp in one of the vast undercity pipe and electricty networks. On one of the unmanned passages, Leia confronts Luke about his unresponsive behaviour and he tells her that he's going to turn himself in to Vader. Vader's encounter with Luke on the forest walkway could be easily tranformed into a scene on a city walkway by changing the background into model shots of an oppressive, imperial cityscape as in the image below.

At which point, Luke is taken to the massive hive-like Imperial Palace and brought to the Emperor's quarters in topmost tower. The battle continues as normal. The Millenium Falcon, rather than flying over the surface of the Death Star, would now fly over a section of the city and down into the service channel toward the Palace's reactor.

The Palace is destroyed, the rebels celebrate and all seems well.

What's tragic, though, is it seems like this pretty obvious conclusion was in fact planned. All of the McQuarrie illustrations for these sequences already exist, such as...

Vader's arrival at the Imperial Planet

The exterior of the Imperial Palace

Vader's arrival at the Imperial Palace

Various scenes of the Imperial city

And Luke's arrival at the Imperial Palace

Great suggestion! I would love to be able to do something like this but it is not possible.

It cannot be done convincingly without filming new scenes with the main characters with new dialogue. It would seem wierd because Luke/Leia/Lando/Han wouldn't talk about the plan, make references to specific places like Had Abaddon, etc.... Perhaps when CGI progresses to a point that you could CGI a 31 year old Mark Hamill convincingly.

You are correct in regards to the paintings. This was essentially planned. George had this idea in draft 4 of ROTJ. (Which you can download and read...and there is some wierd Harry Potterish stuff that happens in it). Unfortunately it would have cost way more than he was willing to pay. Also I think he had no idea how to do it technically.

Go here for the draft http://starwarz.com/starkiller/wp-content/uploads/revenge_revised_rough_draft.zip

ROTJ falls up short because it is a rehash of ANH. It is not even a good rehash. The sets are boring. The dialogue is boring. It is to cute. Essentially the ending is not epic enough for an epic story. Which is why the story should have been on Had Abaddon (or Coruscant). Lucas just wanted the whole Star Wars thing over with and wrapped it up way to quick.

So to end off my rant... as with the prequels we are stuck with ROTJ as it is. We just have to try and tell that story a bit better.

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Wow.....

Does anyone know if anything on the ESB blue-rays that would assist Adywan in this edit?

I think it is possible haraldo23.

But you are right. It will require a lot of time and money to create a professional and seamless blend.

Set dressing, costumes, lighting, camera lenses, sequencing, direction, acting.... and a million other things.

It will be quite the under taking. However, if you look at these edits they are increasing in ability each time.

ANH:R was just computer editing with 2D objects. ESB:R will have the first sequences filmed and models built. ROTJ:R is the next step into full blown filmed action sequences.

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This is great news! Although I can't help think that Adywan is avoiding something.....named the prequels.

I think he saw the latest Redlettermedia review and realized just how unsalvagable they are.

I think Adywan's thought process was something like this. 

"Yea! finsihed ROTJ:R.... now onto the prequels..oh....oh no..... I think I'd rather do a movie that I have already spent 2 years of my life deconstructing, driving myself crazy, then tackle those aweful things......."

But in the end...this is great ADY! When you finish AHR:SE then you can start on ESB:RSE in 4HD or 3D HD!

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Yes, Adywan said he was going to film new scenes with the Rebel Commandos. They get forgotten in the forest battle and is the easiest way to "decute" the Endor battle scenes without CGI use.

The nice thing is that it will probably Ming and his crew. Who I believe are in California. Thus, they can actually go back to "Endor" the Redwood forest of Nortern California and film in the same spots.

A guy up in Seattle owns parts of the original Endor Bunker that was used. They are made of plywood and would be easy to replicate... or have him transport down to use again.

Thus, Ady and the crew, (I would volunteer to go down and help if they let me) could make some very convincing and realistic battle scenes with stormies/Imps and Rebel Commandos duking it out.

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Also, can we insert Rip Torn tossing confetti at the Ewok celebration? ;)

This is a great easter egg gag!

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muddyknees2000 said:

Just watched The family guy ROTJ parody and I was a bit surprised at how bad ass Seth McFarlane felt he needed to make the ewoks. I found it rather interesting that a guy who's intent is to parody the film, couldn't disguise just how much he hates the ewoks......to the point that he barely made any jokes about them at all, and instead chose to just alter their character in the film instead. He even goes as far as making their weapons more effective against the stormtroopers. It was nice to see actual arrow penetration, and spear thrusts that connect. Hell, some of the ewoks even died in battle. Its odd to say it, but its almost ewoks the way I wish they had been done (if we have no choice to take ewoks over wookiees that is). The best change has got to be the scene right at the end where the ewoks are celebrating their victory while a couple of them go around the field of battle, systematically mercy killing the wounded imperials "Braveheart style". Adywan, if you haven't watched it yet, I'd definitely recommend it....sometime before you start working on ROTJ ;)

I am glad someone see's "It's a Trap" the same way I did. You missed the part where Peter freaks out and says he sick of the cute s#*t and makes the Imperials dig their own graves!!! ahhaahah awesome!

In addition to the ewoks riping apart imperials etc... I liked how they handled the sarlacc pit battle with Luke. Limbs and body parts every where. I hope adywan feels he needs to add this.

The sarlacc pit battle as it stands has Luke using his lightsaber as a nerf bat. Only once does it cut through a character (gamorean).

I am liking the new intro idea with the cut to Luke and Vader conversation. 

I think the death star II will remain the same. It is pretty iconic as it is and Ady doesn't fix what is not broken. It definetly needs to be recomposited in every one the shots. Especially the opening shot where it tracks with the camera.

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Sluggo said:

ImperialFighter said:

 

Unfortunately, I don't have the 'behind-the-scenes' pic of the the outside of this 'guarded doorway', that was posted here a while back...as it gave a good idea of the distance down that the doorway is positioned away from the start of the stairs - 

This one?

Is It me or does the guard on the right look like Harold Ramis?

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I only know of three,

1. Adywan's hand for Dr Ezaven's severed arm in the cantina.

2. Adywan in the rebel crowd at the Medal Ceremony.

3. Young George Lucas across from Adywan in the Medal Ceremony.

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Been forever since I posted, but I have been reading.

In regards to the Kersh Rememberance in ESB:R,

Maybe we could have a dedication title?

After the Adywan production title we could have a black screen, Blue Star Wars script lettering (from the credits) "For Kersh", centered in the screen. Then the start the regular 20th Century title... Lucasfilm title... etc...

Just felt that it would be fitting to have something very stated.... just a thought. 

Also..

*add really funny comment here about Ghostbusters post**

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Hello all, been a long time since I posted.

I like where this thread is going. The idea that the Empire is using Endor as a source for resources in building the Death Star is a great idea.

How else would you keep the building of it secret? If your pulling resources from across the galaxy it would be easier to discover with all the shipping needed to deliver the resources.

I hope Ady feels that he needs to add in some more activity around the DS2. It seems so bland for being under construction. There is no movement, no flashes of welding, no shipping traffic, no construction traffic....

My two cents.

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Rogue Leader said:

Radi0n said:

Darth Editous said:

 

You're telling me that if you are wearing (sun)glasses while sitting in a chair, when you turn around your shoulder/the chair will push them up on your face such that they don't sit on your nose properly? I doubt it.

Have you tried that while strapped into the chair, and wearing a lifejacket and crash helmet? ;)

DE

 

My two cents is, it's probably because of the collar on his jumpsuit. No?

As probably the only one here who owns the helmet, flight suit, and Hoth jacket I can hopefully clear somethings up. The collar is pretty stiff can alter the angle of the helmet when wearing it. With limited mobility being strapped in also means movement in the chair is limited and a helmet visor bumping into things can happen easily. I've sat down in all my gear and all kinds of things shift out of place just by doing that motion alone. Again... I only can confirm this cos I own these items. ^^ 

Does anyone else find that Yoda in the top shelf of the closet a little creepy?  ;)

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The only scenes I can think of off the top of my head that were filmed are the deleted wampa/rebel base sub plot.

Which I agree is not needed for the film. The rebels have enough problems with Darth Vader attacking them.

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DF Shadow said:

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/CV_BluRay_Cut_Scene_Online_133245.asp

^^ Here is the new Luke scene in question - it's actually quite awesome..........the timing will actually be perfect for it's release. Either the scene will be added into the SE version of the movie - or - at the very least it will be an extra. So maybe if it's good enough quality AdY can include it in RoTJR.

Thanks for the upload DF Shadow.

I guess ESB:R will be postponed till 2011 so Ady can get a hold of the new ESB:R deleted scenes..... ;)

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asterisk8 said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

   Alright, how 'bout this?

I totally think you should take these ideas and make your own fan edit with them. That would be the best way to achieve your vision of Star Wars. Ady had little/no editing skill before he started the Revisited project, and look at him now! You're not really going to sway anyone here by presenting a dramatically reinterpreted vision of the OT. It's not really that your ideas are "bad", but they are incompatible with what Adywan is trying to achieve.

 

 This is a good suggestion.....

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euroherbal said:

Are we just carrying ourselves away, letting time pass until we read again some news from our beloved Ady? :)

Pretty much.......

I find this discussion of editing the briefing scene, kinda pointless. We all know Ady will NOT be changing this.

Personally I have never had any trouble with this scene. Leia IS a leader of the rebel alliance. She has military experience (4 years with the Rebels).

It is never stated who came up with the tacitical plan anyway. Leia is just the one briefing the pilots which needs to happen anyway. Perhaps she consulted the Generals.

It is fine the way it is.

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I have ANH:R DVD9 NTSC and Adywan's EP1 colour correction seeding on Bittorrent for those that need it as well.

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Kurgan said:

Any chance this will be released in time for the 30th anniversary on May 21st?

 We take a Duke Nukem Forever Philosophy on this particular question.

Its done... when its done. ;)

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adywan said:

yeh, it's really strange DE.  Something i did find interesting when looking in photoshop cs3

About the HD Star Wars, i would have agreed with you about the possibility that the ratio may be wrong from the HD caps but with a commercial DVD/ Blu-ray matching each other i'd say that the aspect ratio is indeed correct. I've seen a lot of people complain about the changes in CS4 when using 3D programs and the problems the new ratio standards adobe have implemented have caused.They have used the other standard for all these years then implemented it for CS4 and they surely did mess up with CS4 as a lot of people will testify

Anyway, whichever one is correct the only one that i need is the one that is correct for my edits, and working with 1024 x 576 originally worked perfectly, and upscaling any DVD sourced  footage to 720p still works perfectly for me too using that calculation.

With HD being square pixel and on a TV that produces a 1:1 1920 x 1080 picture the aspect ratio is correct. So when you upscale a DVD to HD and the pixels match perfectly doesn't that mean that the correct ratio of a widescreen DVD is in fact 1024x576. The square pixel ratio remains the same through these scalings: 1920x1080 > 1280x720 > 1024x576 then if a 720x576 image was stretched to 1050x576 it would cause the image to be slightly distorted, even if it is only stretched horizontally by 26 pixels

Ripplin said:

Dorian Gray? I assume you mean the 2009 version, which I just found out exists. :p I've only seen the 1945 version, which I quite liked!

Any ETA on when the workmen will be done? Also, how would you rate their work ethic? Haha.

yes, the 2009 version. ETA on the work being done is now 2nd april, which i'm really hoping that they finish before then because i have got the Star Wars concert that day and as i have to stay at the flat while the workmen are there i won't be able to get there in time. But there are 7 different contractors working on this, which i find really stupid. so if one of them doesn't turn up on time it delays the rest. They were supposed to have started putting the new kitchen units in today but they never turned up and now it turns out they haven't ordered enough units as they only have the old work plan. But the plumber has been brilliant for me. My token gas meter was inside the one cupboard tucked behind the door on the floor so it has been really difficult for me to get down to it with my back problems. Even though he was supposed to have left it where it was he bullshitted to the housing association that he has to remove it to install the new gas piping and place it in a different place. So now it is above waist height which is perfect for me.  The electricians, again, have the old plan and have wired the plugs in the wrong place in the kitchen for my fridge and have just disappeared. They are not coming back until friday which has delayed the plasterer because all the rest of the flat has to be rewired.

Everything use to run so much smoother before everything was subcontracted. When i worked for the council we rewired a whole 2 story house and installed a whole central heating system in 2 days. why the hell is it taking over 2 weeks to do this job? most of the time i'm just having to wait in for someone to arrive and out of the whole of today only the plumber arrived bad he was here for 3 hours, but my whole day was wasted

Sorry to hear about the delays Ady. Lets hope that they improve your flat in the end.

Hmmmm... reminds me of another project that is taking a long time and improving something...... J/K ;)

Ady's Flat.... Revisited!!!

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Welcome David Little,

I discovered ANH:R years ago when ady started working on it. Then forgot about it, came back a few years later and it was done!

I usually just follow the thread as I don't have anything interesting to say. There are many like myself who mostly read and rarely post.

Shout out to the readers!

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