I suppose. But the First Order and Final Order are separate entities all throughout TROS. They were never truly merged, even at the end.
I dunno, the only reason I asked was because I’m making him the Supreme Leader at the end of my novelization. IMO, that would make him second only to the Emperor, which makes sense.
I personally think we should keep it to the original four ghosts. They’re the most important ones to the story of the saga, and the others (besides maybe Ahsoka) never learned the force ghost thingy. Plus, at this point in the film Leia’s body is still physically present.
That’s what I was thinking. Qui-Gon was just a voice, only able to physically appear in areas with lots of light side power. Mace never learned it.
I do appreciate the visual upgrades to some of the ghosts (namely Anakin with his hand out). I think those are definitely worth putting in.
That is mighty impressive right there.
I’ll leave it up to Hal whether we should use that scene instead. I say that mostly because Ashoka never appears in person in the main saga films, and also it’s up to debate whether Mace and Qui-Gon should be able to appear as ghosts. I suppose Leia is also kinda up in the air since her body hasn’t disappeared yet. But I do love it all.
Random question: does anyone know exactly why Pryde doesn’t become Supreme Leader at the end of the story? Because Palpy clearly knows that Ben has returned. Just seems kinda strange to me since he’s the #2 in command.
EDIT: I guess the darn thing does whisper to her before then. Haven’t seen the movie in a while. Whatever. Not the way the novelization has things so it gets confusing.
Regardless of if 3PO gets redubbed, I think it’d be worth to consider removing the “horrible things” line (which some find asinine as she’s holding Anakin’s saber with her other hand) as well as removing momma rey’s scream both times she picks it, taking advantage of these moments to introduce and shift the focus to the concept of Rey hearing whispers emanating from the dagger instead.
I agree with this totally … she literally says that while holding the Youngling Slayer 9000. 😂
Also removing the shouting and focusing on the whispering helps focus the concept of the dagger guiding, not just a memory thingy.
Rey clearly has that one Force ability that lets her see the history of an object when first touching it. If she was going to see what it did during Order 66 that would have happened in TFA.
I for one think it shouldn’t be whispering to her until she is on Endor because otherwise it gives the impression that the dagger could have led her to the wayfinder without 3PO’s help.
Alright I believe that the Vader’s castle stuff is all we’re going to use out of all this, then. I can’t think of anywhere else in the movie where the rest of these things could go. Unless I’m not thinking hard enough.
Ach-To shot could be used if Hal didn’t want to use the existing one anymore, but it may not be worth the effort.
Right I forgot about that one. I actually think that one should be used but maybe it doesn’t matter since it would be a nighttime shot with the regrade so you wouldn’t even see too much.
Alright I believe that the Vader’s castle stuff is all we’re going to use out of all this, then. I can’t think of anywhere else in the movie where the rest of these things could go. Unless I’m not thinking hard enough.
Sherlock, Mustafar is 50 seconds long roughly (in the original).
And we’d likely add the Destroyer engines taking off, adding more time to the necklace scene.
We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree I guess. And leave it up to Hal.
I like that idea, Sherlock, but I wonder if that’d be weird to actually have sequenced that way.
Scenes and scenes and planets have gone by, and Hux just now tells him “it was a coordinated incursion.”
I do like the idea of slowing down with an establishing shot after we settle in with Lando, and possibly at the end of that scene, with engines lighting up.
And - this may sound blasphemous - but I actually don’t really like the establishing shot before the necklace scene? The scene is so quick that it basically feels like the film is cross cutting between Kylo’s ship and Lando’s sex dungeon. An establishing shot is usually reserved for a whole scene - does a cutaway warrant that? We’d basically be spending more time in the establishing shot than in the meat and potatoes of the scene.
If we applied this same logic to Mustafar then we wouldn’t have come up with all those establishing shots.
I do like the idea of slowing down with an establishing shot after we settle in with Lando, and possibly at the end of that scene, with engines lighting up.
The establishing shot is a no-brainer. I tried putting the engines shot at the end there but I’m not very good at editing so it didn’t sound right. I think it could definitely work, though.
The other place I was wondering if it could have an establishing shot was the “Shall we destroy the city?” scene with Kylo. It’s right after Babu Frik. There is another shot in the Star Destroyer reel that could work for an establishing shot there.
So here is one (of many) potential things we could do with the Star Destroyer stuff:
There is another place where I feel these establishing shots could work really well to help with the frantic pacing of this film.
If you’ve got rips that’s probably better Sherlock. I’ll still upload it anyways to my personal drive (the Star Destroyer one) because I have some ideas for it.
There’s also a shot of the torture chamber where Chewbacca is kept. It might work to have Rey see that when she senses Chewie is still alive.
Although, it might be cool just to hear an echoey Chewie roar in the distance when Rey senses him, to involve the audience a little more in the realization.
Yeah I hadn’t seen the scene in a while so I didn’t remember how it went exactly. But what you just said there is something I’d definitely be interested in mocking up. Something subtle.
EDIT: I am able to screen record all of these with Shadowplay for some good quality, might upload these to a drive if that’s allowed.
I think we should keep the forest shot personally. Just the Vader’s castle shot needs an upgrade.
Anyone know the best way to capture the stream in highest quality? That’d be the best staring point.
That’s exactly what I’m trying to figure out rn.
I for one am obsessed with pedantic details like that. Like, what exactly did Rey sense that made her realize Chewie was still alive? In the novelization she senses that Kylo is interrogating Chewie. I suppose that’s really the only method that works.
There’s also a shot of the torture chamber where Chewbacca is kept. It might work to have Rey see that when she senses Chewie is still alive.
That is a more creative use for it than I ever had.
Agreed. Show the torture chamber and then perhaps do an echoey version of Chewie’s roar and perhaps the lines from Hux and Pryde from the now deleted scene. Have it be like an auditory Force vision I suppose.
Yeah the Ahch-To one could definitely be useful for pacing in the Rey/Luke scene.
The Star Destroyer stuff might work for establishment shots? idk like maybe right before all of those cutaways to Kylo and his officers (the necklace scene and the “we’ve tracked them to Kijimi” scene).
Biomes has an extended Vader Castle scene could be helpful for someone. Also has additional shots of varying landscapes
Wow that’s a really incredible shot of Vader’s Castle. Guess we should have waited before committing ourselves to Rogue One footage.
We already used the slowmo to fit in Luke’s “We’ll always be with you.” It worked there because it was just a close-up shot of Rey. Not sure if it can work as flawlessly here. I agree with Sherlock.
The shot needs to slow down either way for which ever line is chosen. It’s too much information to process no matter how much the lines are whittled down. If we were to keep the line placement over that shot as is, it would be one of the quickest and most jarring scenes in this movie. And that’s saying A LOT for The Rise Of Skywalker, lol.
Agreed.
Alright I threw a bunch of “Anakin”'s in there and it does work a lot better. Thanks for that.
I also inserted another Anakin line where he clarifies that he killed his wife in his lust for power, which is meant to make the two characters’ similarity more clear since Kylo did the same with Han.
The original refers to Han as “his father” in most if not all of the same places that I did for “his grandfather”.
The way I thought of it is this: how often do you refer to your grandpa by his first name?
I definitely had the same thought as you though. Where specifically would it work to say “Anakin”?
He worshipped him as Vader because he didn’t understand the good side of his grandfather. That is what this scene reveals to him. That the man he worshipped for so long was in constant suffering after making past mistakes, just like him. They share that common ground. Vader killed his wife in his lust for power, Kylo his father. He’s urging him to turn things around before he loses everything, since he’s still a young man.
And FYI, Vader is also referenced in that scene with Snoke.