Jar Jar Bricks

I can kinda see your angle there. Most of the problems are in TLJ, personally - best exemplified in Snoke’s line from TLJ: “Darkness rises and light to meet it”. In the Biblical worldview, darkness/hell is simply being separated from the absence of God’s light. This is similar to how in Star Wars the dark side is a corruption of the Force, and it being balanced is there being absolutely absolutely no dark side (contrary to popular belief). These aren’t supposed to be opposite forces that are kept equal to each other in power. The dark side is a cancer.

And you can’t say it’s just that Snoke has a misunderstanding of the Force, because Luke says the same thing to Rey: “powerful light, powerful dark”. I think the only way you can retcon this line is that Luke is referring to the potential a powerful person can have to either do good or bad things. The real world answer is that DOTF was originally going to make the dark side an amoral thing, and you should tap into both sides of the Force (yuck!). I don’t understand the people that enjoy that leaked script at all.

Character regression is an entirely different discussion. I do think it’s possible to slip back into old patterns and habits in life, so there is some interesting narrative potential even within the context of a Christian framework. You are supposed to remain constantly vigilant or else the dark side (devil) can devour you like a lion. There’s a solid story there to be told there, and it reminds me of Voldemort’s return in the Harry Potter series with the ministry denying his return and not doing anything about it (New Republic vibes). I just don’t find the way they did it with Luke all that believable. He nearly killed his father because he’d threatened his sister; we are never shown exactly what Ben would do according to his dream. And there wasn’t much payoff for Han or Leia’s regressions besides redeeming their son in TROS.

For the new main characters, I think they did actually end up adhering to what the Force wanted them to be. It’s why I like Kylo’s character so much. He reveres his grandfather to an unhealthy degree, and keeps pursuing the dark side because he thinks that is who he truly is and will satisfy him. But this just makes him more and more miserable. It’s only when he becomes Ben Solo again that he feels peace and love. As for Rey, yes, I can see why you might think that her taking on the Skywalker name is a denial of the truth the Force created her as, but I simply see that as an example of the good that can be made out of bad. George refers to Palpatine as the devil himself, so it’s hilariously ironic how his machinations end up being as own undoing. Adoption into a new family and being given a new name are also solidly Biblical concepts.

I genuinely believe there are plenty of concepts within the sequels that can align with these ideals, just not within the idea that the end of ROTJ is supposed to be the second coming.

JoyOfEditing said:

potty meister said:
I love this explanation so much

Oh good! I’m glad that made sense. If you want to know why all the Disney STAR WARS stuff hits different, that is the reason why. Disney abandoned the spiritual narrative framework George was using to link the original six films together, probably because they never realized it was there, haha!

Just curious. What changes do you think they could have made to the sequels to make them align within this framework?

Technically, TROS ends with two sacrifices of love. Rey gives her life to stop Palpatine from killing her friends, and then Ben gives his life so that Rey can have hers back.

I think that would probably work the best. Although it does feel like there is a missing 3PO line as they go up the ramp? Or is that how the original movie goes? I can’t remember.

His “Oh dear” could be shifted back a little bit to be at the same time that he starts flailing his arms around and I think it would feel more organic.

Sanded down excellently 😉

timdiggerm said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?

https://youtu.be/x3rAbX9Wprg?si=CTEBzDStBL4NCxhd

Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂

Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.

But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4

This feels right. Definitely agree on the volume needing to be decreased slightly, though.

The abruptness of how that scene ends without the reversing of the footage has been a pain point for Hal’s edit of AoTC for a while now.

Interesting, so you reversed the footage of their kiss in order to remove the whole “I shouldn’t have done that” thing from Padme. Very smart. I don’t think a casual viewer would notice whatsoever.

I believe Hal was eyeing a series of alternative cuts of the prequel trilogy for the next release that reinstates the Gungan city, among other things.

Yeah, that looks like what was done to his ghost for Ascendant.

Octorox said:

21C Peasant said:

Like many others, when it came to the force ghost scene, I used to be an adamant Shaw supporter. I still like the original very much, but I’ve also come to see the merit in continuity between trilogies. The Kenobi show also sparked my interest in trying to come up with something that could possibly tie things together a bit better. Here’s something I put together using footage of Hayden’s face from recent interviews so that it’s more age-accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF55QWytYbE

This is a big improvement over the official version.

Oh yeah, agreed.

Was the wide shot of him touched at all? He looks a tad younger in it.

21C Peasant said:

Crimson Maul’s deepfake work was very good, but it’s from a few years back already. I’ve been hoping that, with the advancements in AI, Crimson Maul or someone else would create a really clean version of the unmasking of Vader featuring Hayden Christensen. If there’s anyone out there with that capability, please consider taking on the project. Just about any Star Wars fan would be interested in seeing that, and the fan-editing community would be in your debt.

I could quite easily do the voice work for a scene like this, I think. I’d just need to get a Hayden voice clone, and use the tool that takes pre-existing voice work and basically applies the voice clone as a filter over it. So you end up with the exact same line delivery as Shaw, but in Hayden’s voice.

The only reason this method didn’t work when I tried it for the Kenobi flashback scene is because his voice was too entangled with the lightsaber noises. But this scene is perfectly quiet aside from the music, which would be easier to isolate.

Ah, fair enough.

Hal 9000 said:

Wow, very niche and interesting. Love it so far.

+1

Honestly just the restructuring alone of AotC to be more in line with ESB’s act structure is amazing. Wouldn’t mind seeing this in the updated/canon TAS edit of yours, Hal 😉

Does anybody remember seeing a test clip where Rey blasts Finn with a little bit of Force lightning on the Death Star wreckage? Just curious if that still exists, or if the VFX was ever in a serviceable condition.

That sounds good.

I’d need to watch the scene back, but when the kids are down below arguing, is there a place you might be able to end the scene both before they split up and also before the camera shows the ship up above? Ideally we need to create the impression that the resort dumps their ship down below to be scrapped.

I kinda have a feeling that Imperial education wouldn’t be focusing on the Jedi too much, though. Somebody like Anakin Skywalker would get a tiny footnote, at most. Luke already is confused about the Force alone, after all.

Granted, if the Empire were strategically smart about this detail, they would have Imperial propaganda say that Anakin was the only Jedi who didn’t turn on Palpatine and died protecting him from the assassination attempt that left Palpatine “scarred and deformed”.

EDIT: The most likely canon answer, though, is that the Empire says Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker since we know they say he died during Order 66 in canon. So my first point still stands.

Hal 9000 said:

Had an idea for a small tweak, which I implemented in my editor. I swapped two R2-D2 sound effects during the scene where Luke meets Obi-Wan, so that he now responds to Obi-Wan saying he never owned a droid with a “sad beep.”

This is brilliant.

Spartacus01 said:

Mrebo said:

My edit has been on the back burner but occasionally game out how to address things I want to address.

Changing the podrace announcer was a dream out of my reach but with AI it would be easy.

This is not perfect (link good for 2 days) but it’s pretty good:

https://streamable.com/pgy1og

“This video isn’t available.”

It was Max Reebo as the pod racer announcer. Looked pretty darn good, too.

sgscobie said:

vranir said:

A couple of lingering questions, which maybe you could work into or work around in the edit:

• What happened to the captain of the Onyx Cinder after he crashed on At-Atan? Maybe he also confronted the Supervisor AI and got killed by it when his true agenda was discovered? Maybe the AI could drop a line that implies this?

• If the Onyx Cinder was originally a native At-Atan ship and that’s why it was allowed through the barrier, who was its captain and what was its purpose? Was the original pirate captain from At-Atan in the first place, or maybe he captured the actual envoy who was supposed to use the ship to travel back and forth? Maybe that’s why the AI recognized Jod as an envoy.

• And again, as has been brought up multiple times now, why does Jod tell the pirates to attack? Wouldn’t a better tactic have been to simply replace the Supervisor and send shipments of credits out to his crew every few months? Could you somehow imply that this was his original plan but that it had been blocked by something, maybe the kids blowing the cover on him or his ship’s actual identity? That way, just like with the kids, he would start out trying to be a friend, but if needed, he would change angles and use fear to get what he wants.

What happened to the captain of the Onyx Cinder was clearly explained—his concubine stabbed him. His corpse was shown on the Onyx Cinder.

I don’t think this was ever made clear enough, because nobody I listened to about this show ever noticed this detail in the earlier episodes. Several people were theorizing he was going to be revealed as the Overseer despite the timeline not matching up.

NeverarGreat said:

Hal 9000 said:

I find myself preferring the AI line delivery. It feels more authentic to me

I have no opinion on the content of this discussion, but that statement feels dark and vaguely sinister.

I mean, to be frank, I don’t think this was Ryan’s most inspired delivery. I’ve heard much, much better come from him before.

vranir said:

A couple of lingering questions, which maybe you could work into or work around in the edit:

• What happened to the captain of the Onyx Cinder after he crashed on At-Atan? Maybe he also confronted the Supervisor AI and got killed by it when his true agenda was discovered? Maybe the AI could drop a line that implies this?

Very good point here, and I’m not sure why they didn’t address this in the show. Literally all they had to do is show his skeleton right next to the AI. Would have matched the Treasure Planet references perfectly (and the show’s title, no less!)

I’m assuming that, on descent, Captain Rennod’s crew turned on him, pulling them out of the autopilot and causing them to crash in the forest. We never see Rennod’s skeleton on board (I’m assuming his species has a skeleton that looks different) so we have to assume he escaped the crash site and made his way somewhere.

EDIT: Another thing is that for some reason Rennod decided to pimp out the envoy ship in armor, to the point of being unrecognizable as an envoy’s ship. This is used to explain why the AI doesn’t suspect Jod of anything nefarious, being that it’s technically the same ship that previously showed up and recently left. I guess the previous pirate crew was always going to try the “loud” approach, and immediately start looting everything?

The other interesting thing is that the Empire never goes there. The AI says that the last message he received is the Jedi are traitors to the Republic, and not that the Republic has become the Empire.

I suppose I was being a little over-the-top last night. That was just my immediate reaction to everything lol. At the end of the day I probably set my expectations a little too high for what is ultimately a kid’s show that is mostly disconnected from the larger Star Wars galaxy. I think the biggest plot hole is that Jod wants to continue current operations as-is, he never wanted to hurt anybody, and yet he allowed his crew to completely decimate the city. It’s a miracle nobody got killed! But I guess you can rationalize it as a show of force to let people know who’s in charge now.

Like you said, Neel’s cannon moment can probably be cut out rather smoothly - but it doesn’t leave him with a whole lot to do in the finale. We also know that KB can contact the New Republic without the owl lady, since an unknown person does it back at the resort. Maybe somebody skilled with VFX can remove her hologram.

As for the title of the show, I agree that “Skeleton Crew” was probably the wrong choice in terms of marketing it, as kids will have no idea what this even means. “The Lost Planet” is a step in the right direction, if a bit bland. “Lost to the Stars” or “Lost to the Galaxy” would apply to both the kids and At-Attin.

That ending was… not great tbh.

It almost feels like there was more filmed but it got cut out because they decided to not continue this story anymore. Like, what even happened to Jod? Any other show would have shown him in Republic custody, or escaping on some secret shuttle. They could have even given KB more physical disabilities from the crash so that she’s even more of a cyborg - at least any sort of consequences.

What a disappointment. At least 6 / 8 episodes are extremely good Star Wars, but of course the last one is lackluster.

My head canon is that Jedi/Sith are moving much faster than what viewers actually see, it’s just that for the purposes of a movie you’d rather not watch a blur of blue, green, and red lights.

Come to think of it, this is literally the case for Duel of the Fates. They had to slow down the footage they recorded for the movie so it looked more “natural” or something.

smudger9 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

One random thing that came to me: you might need to reinstate the whole “claimsies” scene, or else Fern taking back SM-33 will make even less sense than it already does. Wild how that scene has more relevance to the plot than any of the parent stuff lmao.

One radical option I’ve been considering is having the crew travel straight from the pirate port to skull mountain.

Hmmm. This would mean losing half of episode 3 and all of episode 4. Honestly, not a bad idea whatsoever since the characters never investigate the other “At” worlds for some reason. This was only plot hole I’ve noticed in the series so far.

The trouble, of course, would be explaining why they have SM-33 all tied up despite spending so much time rescuing him from the pirates just a moment ago. I think some AI lines might be able to solve this - maybe the pirates tried tinkering with him.