Jar Jar Bricks

Glavematt said:

For Attack of the Clones, would it be possible to cut out the wide shot where Anakin awkwardly pauses and spreads his arms wide open for Dooku to cut off his arm? Maybe something similar to how L8wrtr handled it.

Honestly, you might even just be able to apply a brief speed up (x2 or x3 speed) to this moment. Show how quick Dooku is able to react to an opening.

One random thing that came to me: you might need to reinstate the whole “claimsies” scene, or else Fern taking back SM-33 will make even less sense than it already does. Wild how that scene has more relevance to the plot than any of the parent stuff lmao.

A lot of things have to be vague because this edit isn’t even an edit where Palpatine necessarily wants Rey alive OR dead, it’s an edit where he wants the strongest vessel to take the throne, regardless of who that is. It just so happens that Kylo Ren is the most likely candidate in both TLJ and the beginning of TROS since Rey has her heart set on becoming a Jedi. I think once Kylo sets his own plans in motion after his fight with “Vader” in this edit that Palps no longer has a preference for who comes to him on Exegol.

As for why I’d be reinstating Palpatine’s line of “I never wanted you dead. I wanted you here, with me…” to Rey, it works because it’s coming from a notorious liar and manipulator. Whereas when somebody like Finn says “He wanted her alive” you have to take that at face value and assume it applies to all of Palpatine’s previous actions, which we know isn’t the truth. The truth is that he indeed was interested in her as a child but he couldn’t track her down, so he changes his priorities to Ben Solo who proved too unruly. So then he’s just like “screw it, whoever shows up here is who was the strongest all along” lol.

I think “his visions discovered Rey” is probably vague enough to work (while still being short enough), since it could apply to both Ochi or the Emperor based on Finn’s previous sentence. Perhaps bringing the dagger into the discussion just makes things too convoluted - if it were Ochi that had the visions, it would be the dagger that gave them to him anyways.

For some reason, simply changing it to “visions” also makes the sentence feel a little less location-oriented to me, at least. Probably because the dagger serves as a whisper compass earlier in the film.

We have to remember that the purpose of this scene in the original film was to transition to the “twist” that despite all of Palpatine’s previous actions in the film, he apparently wanted Rey alive. In Ascendant, the scene serves no purpose except to muddy the idea that Ochi needed to kill Rey on sight. In this edit, it’s meant to explain the last bit of Rey’s backstory, which is how the Emperor even knows about Rey in the first place seeing as how her parents died in part to keep her a secret. I think this new line ties in better with Kylo’s line of “He saw what you would become” better.

smudger9 said:

The escape from the trash machine needs to be included and there isn’t enough footage between the kids reuniting and discovering their ship to cut everything else without it feeling jarring. I hate it when they mess around with the main starship, it really limits editing options - I had the same issue with Mando Season 2.

Yeah, this is what I was afraid of. Plus, it would be strange to have them land outside of the pipes right next to their ship, and have the mountain disappear for the rest of the shots.

I think another way forward here is to figure out if there is a clever way to cut away from their talk next to the chutes before they split up, and then when we transition back to the kids when they’re climbing up that snowy hill together. But that just raises questions as to how the ship got from up above to down below!

I think depending on the final episode will determine if I’ll think it’s warranted to keep a movie edit of this show. Everything seemed to be working quite well up until last week, like you said.

I still stand by what I said last week - despite most of the internet seemingly liking last week’s character episode, I think you could genuinely cut most of it out.

As for this week’s episode, I think the back-and-forth about throwing Jod out the airlock could be significantly trimmed, namely just by having the kids show up in their ship sooner.

I do wonder, at this point, if the parent scenes were very necessary, seeing as how their message is deployed only within At-Attin’s vicinity, and isn’t at all necessary for them to get back home. Removing those scenes might make transitions within the main story harder, but you’d also be able to include more scenes that were previously removed, such as the one between Jod and Wim in hyperspace, or keep the runtime closer to 2 hours 30 minutes since I think it will be closer to 3 hours at this rate.

I agree with DZ that the transition immediately to the water is a bit rough. I seem to recall his scream being muted in somebody else’s edit here.

The biggest roadblock to this edit is ironically enough a random scene between Finn and Poe. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if it’s possible to change the beginning of parts of Finn’s lines in the scene like I had originally intended due to troubles merging an AI sentence with a regular one. I’m wondering if it all makes enough sense just by reinserting a final line for Finn?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LSooyqxhfp01IBupdWM04zdWoY0Ab5J1/view?usp=sharing

The original final line there was “He wanted her alive”, which Ascendant removes. I’m wondering if replacing it with “The dagger discovered Rey” is enough to clarify that neither Ochi nor Palpatine knew about her existence until he murdered her parents? The problem is that technically the word “discover” could be used in the context of merely learning somebody’s location.

The original Finn dialog is phrased in such a way to give the impression that Ochi’s mission was to find the “little girl” all along. In this edit, his mission is only to find the Emperor’s son for testing, which then escalates to Rey upon her discovery. Or maybe my impression is just because I’m familiar with the original film? I wouldn’t mind some feedback here.

EDIT: Granted, this scene already makes zero sense in the Ascendant cut since Palpatine would just want Rey dead, he shouldn’t care if it’s done in front of him on Exegol or not. So this edit would already be an improvement over Ascendant for this scene, I’m just not sure if it’s 100% there.

Ok, I put a bunch of Anakin lines in the folder:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eIzeSZ9sRZJCL-TyxIYedc6_SgmuvT5I?usp=drive_link

I don’t think I’ll be able to do the Bail Organa stuff until I’ve made all the lines I need for my TROS edit. The website only lets me have a certain number of voice clones at once and a limited number of generations per month.

No problem!

I was actually thinking that he might have gotten Threepio from work and brought him home when Watto thought it was a lost cause. Makes more sense than finding him in a random scrap pile, tbh.

I’m having a hard time with the “I brought him home” line. It just doesn’t sound much like Jake. But the other part sounds great, plenty of options:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eIzeSZ9sRZJCL-TyxIYedc6_SgmuvT5I?usp=drive_link

EDIT: I just had to add the word “with me” at the end and it suddenly sounds better. Very short sentences are hard for the AI to do I guess.

How about something more plot related like DZ said?

“The Mustafar system, did you say? I can think of more pleasant worlds to visit, instead.”

This is the last one I’m doing tonight lol:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12S9K6cPiMf1Mo3aPDmEYCFjFYmJWEZqT/view?usp=sharing

I dunno, we might need to brainstorm a new line because the delivery needed out of this one is a bit much for AI methinks.

sgscobie said:

Hal 9000 said:

All right, having thought about it a bit more, here’s what I imagine for the ‘alternate’ set of edits as companions to my main edits.

• Original film titles, same crawls otherwise as main edits (ideally, if possible)

• Not sure whether to reinstate midichlorians! Current canon projects have seemed to dodge explicit mention of them, and even if one needed them for its story they would be probably be introduced there just fine

TPM:

• Reinstate the trip underwater to Otah Gungah and a few scenes that come with it which were only removed due to depending on it

• Reinstate Anakin being stated to be too old to be trained

AOTC:

• Reinstate Yoda with a lightsaber

ROTS:

• Existing alternate stuff about having Padme die would be part of this

• Reinstate youngling murder scene and a few references to it

• Reinstate Yoda vs Sidious and the explicit plan of Yoda and Obi-Wan to assassinate the two Sith (using the AI ‘Your mother once thought as you do’ line in ROTJ will help here)

In order to avoid having THREE versions of Episode III on offer (current/main version, alternate version, alternate stuff described above but Padme still lives on Alderaan), I could simply reinstate the youngling stuff into the main version as an update and have the fully alternate version in which Padme dies and Yoda fights Sidious.

Or, we could really just legitimately offer three cuts of Episode III to fit with anyone’s taste on these points:

• Padme lives, Yoda does not fight Sidious
• Padme dies, Yoda fights Sidious
• Padme lives, Yoda fights Sidious

All three would feature youngling murder, for the reason that a major canon project closely tied to the Skywalker Saga (The Kenobi show) makes central use of this story point.

Thoughts? Outrage?

Could you possibly use AI dubbing to change “midichlorians” to “m-count”, as that’s the terminology used in the shows?

See, I don’t really get this. Did everyone seriously just hate the name and not the concept? Because that’s news to me.

I mean, to be fair, Threepio’s whole schtick is being situationally unaware.

I mean, yeah, you can get him to sound super happy. I generated this before the one I just sent, I just thought it was a little over the top:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ux4mXb3r_oBke8ObJZnzEEpaG_FGCo3F/view?usp=sharing

Yeah, this is a tough one to crack for some reason. Giving it another shot after a bunch of generations:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/116uJm77DCBK5rRf4vTjwb6HEIeSPiqez/view?usp=sharing

Here’s my first crack at 3PO’s line:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12zEdH8JJWMbjOOsr9kubLqewwnx6nyqW/view?usp=sharing

EDIT: Here are some Anakin options as well -

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eIzeSZ9sRZJCL-TyxIYedc6_SgmuvT5I?usp=drive_link

That was surprisingly easy to do with the new tools they have. “Fixing4” is my preference.

I’ve actually figured out a way to make the fight a tad shorter and a little more intense while still skipping the shakey cam part:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17aMRXYO3t0NRyBF8I6rLv1Uly6OaSCRK/view?usp=sharing

Ultimately, we have to keep in mind that Vader is actually Palpatine in this scene, and he DOES want to train/groom Kylo potentially. So I think it’s fine if the beginning of the fight appears as if “Vader” is only parrying and not really trying his best. It’s only when Kylo tries cheating by turning off his lightsaber that he’s like “screw it” and just launches him into the air.

EDIT: I’m pretty sure the audio is a tiny bit out of sync toward the end of that video but it gets the point across. I’ll have to re-make it anyways if this is the way we end up going.

If they’re so scary that they need to run away before they’ve even started firing, that’s a decent introduction at the very least, no? 😉

And yeah, this being a cut that tries to stick to canon, I’d say it’s a good thing to drop the Force speed. I’m pretty sure the only other time it’s seen again is a brief shot of Anakin in The Clone Wars, but honestly you could just as easily attribute that to those earlier episodes having less than stellar animation. Whereas there are countless times throughout canon (and specifically against Maul!) where this ability could have been used to great success.

Speeding the current cut up would probably overcomplicate matters due to the sound effects. I was given a single audio file, not all of the sound effects they used in the fan film.

The way I see it, there are two options here:

1. I can re-edit the fight to only include the most rapid, high-intensity parts. The downside of this is that there will be shakey cam, which might stand out just as much as the slower choreography later on.
2. I can re-edit the “fight” so that Vader is aggressively marching toward Kylo who launches helpless attacks at him that are effortlessly blocked. It would be apparent this way that Kylo is terrified of him. The only reason I didn’t do it this way originally is because it makes Kylo seem particularly weak and also it isn’t much of a fight at all this way.

I can get the 3PO line quite easily but I’d have to work a new thing together for little Annie.

I get what you’re saying. It all comes down to the fact that I skipped the parts where Kylo was doing high intensity attacks against him because they opted to do shakey cam during that part. As a result, we go from high intensity to when Kylo is supposed to be nearing exhaustion. I might just have to bite the bullet and go for the shakey cam parts leading into Kylo attacking from above.

But yeah, huge filler episode this week. I think you might be able to cut everything that the kids do after falling out of the chutes. As for how they get back on the ship (and why it suddenly looks new again) that might be harder to convey. But it might be possible with more AI lines and depending on how all of this is handled in Episode 7.

One more radical idea you might consider is having them land outside of the chutes in the wide shot (just change the lighting) but then zoom in to the scene where they reunite at the end of this episode. The context of both scenes is mostly the same, having just endured a huge fall. And replace some of their lines as they’re hugging and checking on each other to make it seem like the resort dropped their ship down below to scrap it.

Sucks that we had to lose the scene between Yod and Wim. Was a really good scene and reveals that he has to have at least some knowledge as a Jedi.