Jar Jar Bricks

Movies Remastered said:

and in my version Ben fixes the crystal after it’s teleported.

Does this mean you aren’t planning on working on the effects after that point in the movie?

I ask because people on this edit, myself included, liked the idea that Ben still has a crackley saber even on the light side. It shows that his past actions still exist. Also, some people could think it was a major visual effects error because up until that point the effect has blatantly been there.

EDIT: Just realized I legitimately have no clue what scenes have been done/still need to be done with the saber effects. Has this scene already been done? If so, no biggie then.

Yes, I do enjoy the new location of the medal shot.

And Hal, you said you ended up going with the sequence I recommended. That’s fine, I think it works well enough. But were you also able to remove Finn’s dubbed line from the audio mix while still having Poe’s sigh?

Burbin said:

sherlockpotter said:

I’ve added some film grain that seems to match the quality of the other footage (but let me know if I should tweak it). Thanks to Burbin for the suggestion - I think it definitely helps to tie everything together! And as a bonus, the color banding doesn’t seem as bad anymore! There’s still a little bit of weird brightness to the right of Leia’s right hand, but that seems to be in the original footage too.

I’ve also gone and made it slightly more blue.

Unless there are any other suggestions, here’s V4, both in context of the scene to make sure it all matches, and as an isolated clip to make inserting it as simple as possible for Hal.

Scene: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zuDJLLg96FG7RyU7b56Fe0OVT6GLdqkf/view?usp=sharing
Clip: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DzaKiOT4X4DKFrPOTqiZpysUfoUDTsT7/view?usp=sharing

You may have to download the video to see the full quality. This is a screenshot of how it should look:

V3: https://i.imgur.com/4xIMw0w.png
V4: https://i.imgur.com/DynQOUH.png

Looks great, the bluer tone matches better too.

Hal, have you considered switching the placement of the medal shot to the first Leia shot? It was suggested earlier and I think it does fit much bettter since in the second shot it jumps from her sitting straight and holding the medal with her right hand to laying down and holidng it with her left hand hand.

+1
I say put sherlock’s color corrected shot into where mildly-yellow put the original.

Hal 9000 said:

Ah, I’m not sure! I would hate to break up the shot of Ben slowly turning to look.

Idk, I kinda like breaking up that shot. Ben is kinda ashamed to look at her, but then she caresses the medal and he looks straight at her.

As for it not matching the lighting, the rest of her body is still darkened. It’s just her hands with the medal that get light. And there are some light sources behind/above her which could possibly do that. Somebody else did some color correcting to the shot, which might fit even better.

Mildly-yellow said:

Here’s my take at inserting the medal.

https://vimeo.com/515500148

I agree that Hal should consider moving it there. Although, it’s his decision ultimately.

The only rationality that I can come up with is that he was ashamed of his “son” and doubted he would be able to have a force-sensitive child. As a result, he ignored his existence until it came back to bite his butt. But of course this explanation relies on the novelization where it states that her father wasn’t force sensitive. Would have really helped if all this was mentioned in the movie.

But yeah, you’re right, none of this was taken into consideration while writing TFA, let alone TLJ.

Yeah, I mean there is still a bit of a problem with it. For example, why would Palpatine not keep tabs on his own son or at least keep him nearby? Only when he has this vision of Rey does he realize he needs to catch them, or even kill them. He clearly wasn’t thinking ahead there. If he was smart, he would have taken her as soon as she was born. Unless (and this is likely the answer here) he didn’t know that his son got into a relationship with a woman and had a child until he had the vision. But that still begs the question: why not keep track of his activities?

At least with the Rey Nobody version this isn’t an issue. He would have no relations with Rey’s family until he sees what she will become in this vision, and then sends Ochi to track down this mystery family.

sherlockpotter said:

I guess I’m still confused about Palpy flip-flopping between wanting Rey as a child, giving up trying to find her, deciding to kill her, and then going back to finding Rey after Ben turns.

Note: Edited this comment to reflect what I believe Hal is going for.
Palpatine’s plan in the edit we’re creating:

1. Palpatine sends Ochi to track down and kill Rey because he “saw what [she] would become” (a powerful Jedi), but her parents won’t reveal her location. Ochi kills them as he feels they no longer serve any purpose.
2. Palpatine puts all of his efforts into corrupting Ben Solo for an essence transfer.
3. Palpatine wants Snoke to have Kylo kill Rey because he is using only Kylo. Kylo resists.
4. He had already put a ton of effort into corrupting Kylo, so yet again he tells him on Exegol to kill Rey. This is the task which will prove whether or not he is a worthy vessel.
5. Kylo realigns himself with the light, and Palpatine senses it. His new goal is to corrupt Rey and essence transfer into her.
6. She refuses. Then he discovers he can drain their dyad to restore his full strength.

It’s really complicated, but at least it (mostly) makes sense.

True. On second thought, I take back what I said. It’s best to simply remove Finn’s dubbed-in line.

Plus the Palpatine changes, of course.

sherlockpotter said:

jarbear said:

Tobar said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I guess you could make the argument for Rey not showing up. Luke kinda messed up by convincing her to leave Ahch-To, come to think of it. Ben likely would have realized Rey wasn’t on Exegol, and the two of them would have just chilled elsewhere while the Resistance launched an attack on Exegol.

Fairly certain that Finn, Poe, and co. would have gotten rid of all the Star Destroyers in that battle. Their actions never relied on the Palpatine interactions, did they?

Oh boy, I’m never going to be able to forget this plot hole now.

There would never have been a battle since Rey is the one that showed them how to reach Exegol.

That would have left the Final Order fleet free reign to fully deploy and spread out across the galaxy destroying countless worlds and then holding a proverbial blaster to the head of the galaxy.

True, but in some ways that wasn’t needed since D0 was from Exegol and could in theory direct them. Not saying one way or the other, but in some ways, the plotting of the course seems a bit unnecessary where you see Rey making tight maneuvers plotting the course but we see some HUGE ships appearing later with Lando … heck, even the Star Destroyers would need to get out …

Anyway, to say it simply … the movie already gives us an “out” of not needing Rey’s “plot the course” when we have DO, who’s from Exegol, could give them direction … let alone the idea that a bunch of other ships, from big to small, wouldn’t have been able to do, or are too big, to do the maneuvers that were shown.

I see this from the other perspective - since we were considering removing Finn’s line about “Palpatine has always wanted Rey alive,” but we weren’t sure how to make the scene work without that line, I say we should just axe the whole scene. If we assume that they learn about Exegol and how to get there just by tracking Rey, we won’t need D-O for anything except toy sales.

Personally, I’m inclined to agree. The only part I would be sad about losing out on is the whole “Thank you, General” conversation between Finn and Poe. I love those lines.

Anyways, I believe Hal is only wanting to remove Finn’s dubbed in line, which works fine enough imo.

Without that line Finn just says that Ochi was supposed to take Rey back to Exegol if he finds her. At that point, it’s up to interpretation whether Palpy would then kill her or just lock her up for a couple decades.

I agree once again, jarbear. And like I said, it becomes an even bigger problem when the lies he’s saying are EXACTLY the opposite of what he should be trying to tell her. He needs to be goading her into killing him, not telling her, “I’ve always wanted you to come visit grandpa’s house. I’m so happy you’re not dead, I would never do such a thing.”

TestingOutTheTest said:

Please don’t remove the “I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here”. It reinforces how Palpatine is manipulative and a liar.

While I agree that those lines were most likely written with the intention of them being manipulative lies, it works far better for them to be gone, and not only because it streamlines his plan and makes it less confusing.

Palpatine’s main goal with Rey is to make her as angry at him as possible. If he says that he never intended for her to die, that is exactly the opposite of what he should be trying to do. He needs her to want to kill him, not appreciate him.

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

I haven’t sat down with it yet but I like that. Might even be good to reverse “Empress Palpatine” and “you will take the throne.”

Might be able to mess with it today or tomorrow. We’ll have to see.

That can work to help push away the idea he was waiting a long time for her specifically to be the empress … when he changed his mind about it 5 minutes ago. lol.

Long have I waited … You will take the throne … Empress Palpatine.

The emphasis is not him waiting for a long time for her to take the throne, it fits more of him waiting a long time for someone to take the throne.

Precisely jarbear.

Alternatively, we could have Palpatine’s first line be “Empress Palpatine”, Rey turns around, and then he could go on by saying “long have I waited… you will take the throne.”

Still like your idea the most, though. Mostly because the above ordering still insinuates he has been waiting a long time specifically for her, while yours doesn’t as much.

Yours is: "Long have I waited… you will take the throne, Empress Palpatine.” Much more natural and fits the narrative better.

That sounds like a good idea as well. I personally don’t feel I have the capability to actualize that line swap, though (mostly due to my crappy editing software). But if you think that you could do it I believe that would be an improvement of what I sent.

Alright Hal, I don’t know if you’re cooking up the changes we discussed yesterday but I decided I might as well share what I was talking about here. This is the Palpatine/Rey interaction without “for my grandchild to come home” and “I never wanted you dead”. Obviously the audio could use a little bit of work but I think the conversation still makes a lot of sense:

https://youtu.be/AbxI8xMA2O0

“Long have I waited… Empress Palpatine… you will take the throne.”

Tobar said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I guess you could make the argument for Rey not showing up. Luke kinda messed up by convincing her to leave Ahch-To, come to think of it. Ben likely would have realized Rey wasn’t on Exegol, and the two of them would have just chilled elsewhere while the Resistance launched an attack on Exegol.

Fairly certain that Finn, Poe, and co. would have gotten rid of all the Star Destroyers in that battle. Their actions never relied on the Palpatine interactions, did they?

Oh boy, I’m never going to be able to forget this plot hole now.

There would never have been a battle since Rey is the one that showed them how to reach Exegol.

That would have left the Final Order fleet free reign to fully deploy and spread out across the galaxy destroying countless worlds and then holding a proverbial blaster to the head of the galaxy.

Thank you! I knew there was something they had written in there in order to prevent this plot hole. I just haven’t seen the entire movie in a while so this never occurred to me.

TestingOutTheTest said:

How many times do I have to say this? It’s clear in the actual film Palpatine changes his mind and turns back to Rey because Kylo Ren redeemed himself. His plan was to possess Kylo Ren, that is until he redeemed himself.

To be clear, I’m fairly certain this is the approach Hal is going with. So no need to clarify this again.

EDIT: We are doing a slight deviation from this, though. In this edit, Palpatine always wanted Rey dead until Ben redeems himself. So he never “turns back” to Rey, he only realizes she can serve his purposes now.

Has Hal already said he is using one of those improved shots? Because I like them a lot. Specifically v2 and v3.

Ed Slushie said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Oh boy, I’m never going to be able to forget this plot hole now.

Sorry.

It’s fine. Ghosty Luke likely knew future events and saw that this was the easiest way to permanently destroy Palpatine. If neither Rey nor Ben showed up, who knows what shenanigans he would have done during the battle and after. He could probably drain all the troops that tried to attack him and escape somehow.

At least that’s my head canon answer.

I guess you could make the argument for Rey not showing up. Luke kinda messed up by convincing her to leave Ahch-To, come to think of it. Ben likely would have realized Rey wasn’t on Exegol, and the two of them would have just chilled elsewhere while the Resistance launched an attack on Exegol.

Fairly certain that Finn, Poe, and co. would have gotten rid of all the Star Destroyers in that battle. Their actions never relied on the Palpatine interactions, did they?

Oh boy, I’m never going to be able to forget this plot hole now.

Ed Slushie said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Look no further than the fact that Palpatine’s original plan in the script was to get Rey and Ben together in order to drain their dyad (which would have been significantly better imo)

I’m gonna have to disagree. If draining Rey and Ben was Palpatine’s plan all along, then that would undermine all the decisions they made up to that point. It’s still a problem in the final movie - if Rey and Ben hadn’t gone to Exegol, Palpatine wouldn’t have gotten the power to electrocute the civilian fleet and the sith would still lose - but at least he discovers the dyad by accident. If he wanted them together from the beginning, that would mean all of the inspirational moments they’ve had (Kylo being redeemed, Luke lifting the X-Wing, Rey and Ben deciding to stand together) were exactly what Palpatine wanted, and that makes the whole movie worse in my opinion.

True, hadn’t thought about that.

Although, it isn’t as much of a problem in the final movie as you say it is. While it’s true that Palpatine himself wouldn’t have been rejuvenated if Ben didn’t show up, that also makes it highly unlikely that Rey wouldn’t have gone through with the sacrifice. This is because Ben is what gives her the hope to resist Palpatine. So Palpy would have possessed Rey and cleaned house with the Resistance. Not sure what Ben could really do from there.

This ^
I’m pretty sure they never were able to come to a solid plan while filming. Look no further than the fact that Palpatine’s original plan in the script was to get Rey and Ben together in order to drain their dyad (which would have been significantly better imo), and JJ also wasn’t sure if he wanted Rey to be a Palpatine even while filming.

If we had access to all the filmed material, I’m convinced we could have made a significantly better film. Instead, we have to make sense out of what we have (or otherwise gut the entire movie).

Hal 9000 said:

Actually… in this new streamlined approach, why the heck would he expect her to come there?

Probably because he has just sensed a massive shift in the force which he correlates with Leia returning Ben to the light. As a result, he knows Ben has a wayfinder still, and so he is probably hoping that him and Rey will come to him together (where he would theoretically want to kill Ben and thereby corrupt Rey).

Hal 9000 said:

In this way of thinking about it, Palpatine wanted Rey dead as a child bc he sensed her power as a threat. Her parents wouldn’t betray her location so he killed them.

Also because “he saw what [she] would become” according to Kylo. So basically he knew that whenever she returned she would be a powerful user of the light. Thus why he would want her dead so Kylo doesn’t come back to the light, or possibly get killed.

EDIT: Funnily enough, both of those last things happen to Kylo technically because she was allowed to live.