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#1114953
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TV’s Frink said:

Jani-wan said:

No mention where was I wrong, or why.

I already said so in the post you originally quoted, but I so enraged you with my calling you a newbie that you ignored it.

And it’s not a spelling attack, it’s a teaching moment.

You don’t get to teach anything to anyone, so it is a spelling attack.
And now you lie. You only quoted what I said, and added nothing, but “newbie” mocking, and this Imperialscum link.

TV’s Frink said:

Gotta love newbies who think they know everything…so see if you can figure this one out.

Jani-wan said:

“Now Lucasfilm does what Disney says. If Disney says reshoot half the movie, they do.
If Disney says we need X-trooper for no logical reason but to sell, than there will be X-trooper in the movie.”

Jani-wan said:

“All I said is the truth. Like it or not.”

Nothing points out what is wrong and why, with detailed explanation, that can be proved, and not something you just make up.

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TV’s Frink said:

Jani-wan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Gotta love newbies who think they know everything…so see if you can figure this one out.

Jani-wan said:

“Now Lucasfilm does what Disney says. If Disney says reshoot half the movie, they do.
If Disney says we need X-trooper for no logical reason but to sell, than there will be X-trooper in the movie.”

Jani-wan said:

“All I said is the truth. Like it or not.”

Maybe you should try add something to the project, instead of mocking newbies, who might have more knowledge about the subject than you have.
But unfortunatelly I see your point.
Newbies no nothing, but you know everything because you’ve been here for years, and you are entitled to mocking, even if your reason is that you are wrong.
Really smart.
Don’t know why that Imperialscum user link is posted, and I couldn’t care less.
Please try to restrain yourself from answering my post with mocking, instead of smart arguments. Makes you look bad, and does not help the project.

Do you mean smart arguments like “you’re wrong” and “I have cold hard facts”? Sorry but that attitude adds nothing to the project no matter how right you claim you are…especially when you (probably) aren’t even right in the first place.

Impscum is never wrong. That’s why you got the link, because you’re acting the same way.

But with that said, since I have to mock with every post I make…you spelled “know” wrong.

And you can’t stop.
No mention where was I wrong, or why.
Nothing.
Just attacks.
And now the spelling attack too.
Can’t get lower than this.

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#1114937
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dahmage said:

jani-wan, can you work on your formatting and your attitude?

My attitude is that I don’t like being attacked. No need to change that.
What needs to change is attacking people. Attacking newbies, just because they are new.
That should change.
Don’t see what’s the problem with my formatting. Could you elaborate?

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#1114934
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.Mac. said:

Okay then, things apparently got a bit out of hand up there…

To bring this back on topic, I guess now is as good as any to throw in my 2 cents about the camo/white armor debate from earlier.

I was initially in favor of the idea with some kind of camouflage armor for (most of) the Imperials on the moon of Endor. This is the concept art that got me completely on board with it:
camo

For camo, I thought the above image displays it quite subtly. It’s not in your face with several, vibrant, earthy colors, but it’s enough to serve its purpose. It makes sense, after all, that they’d have something to help hide themselves in the forest. It also goes along with the Empire having multiple armor designs for designated roles/locations, including the shoretroopers (I know, I noticed there are some differing opinions about them, but I liked them just fine).

However, people here not wanting them to have camo armor have made several good points, and for sure I’d agree with most of those points I’ve read. In addition, I’d also add another con with having camo for Imperials: There must be a distinguishable difference between the Rebels (who already do have camo) from the Imperials, otherwise I can see it getting confusing in certain instances for the audience.

But, here’s an alternative idea I haven’t seen brought up here yet: what about introducing the shadow troopers?
shadow
These guys have armor like your standard stormtroopers, so no alterations to the armor is needed, except they are black (or I’ve sometimes seen very dark gray). Could be relatively easy, too, to adjust the hue of the originally white armor in an editor (for sure easier than adding camo frame-by-frame). Then for shooting extra scenes during the battle, most of the extra Imperial troopers could possibly already be wearing this type of armor; I’m sure there are many good ones out there created by fans.

I just love the idea of there being a visual difference from the standard stormtroopers and the Emperor’s “best troops” (assuming his dialogue is left as is, and not condensed to be "An entire legion* of troops awaits them). If Krennic has his death troopers, I believe the Emperor would have certainly hand-picked a selection of “best” soldiers to have custom armor too.

So with this idea for having shadow troopers, A) the black (or very dark gray) will hide them a lot better in a forest environment than white (which was the reason for suggesting camo to start with), B) keeps true with the Empire having primarily white/black armor (which goes along with those who made points against camo armor), and C) of course it would add that extra element of ‘badass’ during the battle.

With that in mind, I believe there should still be some regular white scout/stormtroopers on the moon. Could actually be very interesting to see ordinary stormtroopers being overshadowed (pun not intended) by the prowess and aggressiveness of the Emperor’s “shadow troopers”.

(*) This has been brought up before long ago, but should the Emperor say “legion”? Instead should it be just “garrison” perhaps? Legion sounds overly large, unless of course he was purposefully exaggerating to Luke in hopes of getting him riled up any way possible - If so, I’d buy that for a dollar. So I guess I could go either way about this.

I think Valheru_84 perfectly explained why no need for camotrooper.
Clearly Lucas and Disney concepts are different, and adding something that would not fit the Lucas concept would be wrong IMO.
(NOT ATTACKING DISNEY for people who can’t stand mentioning Disney, but it has a relevance in this, and must mention, since that is what causes the problem)
But Shadowtrooper is different. They would fit the Lucas concept, because they are one of the Imperial colours.
Probably a good idea to have some.
The question is where should they be, and how should they dye.

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#1114924
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DominicCobb said:

Jani-wan said:

darth_ender said:

Can we elect Jani-wan as the new emperor of the site? He’s always right…someone wise, who makes us all agree! I know he’d be welcomed with thunderous applause!

Im the bad guy, huh?
“Always right”, huh?
Feel free to prove me wrong on anything I said. No one stops you. On the contrary. I would even welcome that, since these arguments are what make projects benefit the most. These are the ones that clear things up, so when it comes to decisions, all the best information is available.
I don’t care if Im right or wrong. I only care about the product. Unlike you.

People who resort to irrelevant personal attacks without actually debating the content of an argument, are either unable to argue, because they are wrong, or not smart enough to argue, and unable to accept what they are.
Seems like you decided you are one of those people, instead of trying to help the project. Too bad.

Or maybe some of us don’t want to muck up ady’s thread with an off topic debate that we’ve already had a million times before?

I see. You don’t wanna do what you just did. I guess it is logical to you.
Instead of debating the content of any project related argument.
Could you just get back to the project, and add something to that, instead of this.

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TV’s Frink said:

Gotta love newbies who think they know everything…so see if you can figure this one out.

Jani-wan said:

“Now Lucasfilm does what Disney says. If Disney says reshoot half the movie, they do.
If Disney says we need X-trooper for no logical reason but to sell, than there will be X-trooper in the movie.”

Jani-wan said:

“All I said is the truth. Like it or not.”

Maybe you should try add something to the project, instead of mocking newbies, who might have more knowledge about the subject than you have.
But unfortunatelly I see your point.
Newbies no nothing, but you know everything because you’ve been here for years, and you are entitled to mocking, even if your reason is that you are wrong.
Really smart.
Don’t know why that Imperialscum user link is posted, and I couldn’t care less.
Please try to restrain yourself from answering my post with mocking, instead of smart arguments. Makes you look bad, and does not help the project.

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doubleofive said:

Darth Chronus said:

Loved TESB: Revisited, Ady! You did a phenomenal job!

Copied from my post on the wishlist thread:


I really want Sebastian Shaw to morph into Hayden Christensen - but not the same shot of Christensen that was used for the DVD/Blu-Ray release.

Heck - morph Alec into Ewan…Yoda can stay the same.


Yoda morphs into Creepy Puppet Yoda or no go.

LOL

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#1114510
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darth_ender said:

Can we elect Jani-wan as the new emperor of the site? He’s always right…someone wise, who makes us all agree! I know he’d be welcomed with thunderous applause!

Im the bad guy, huh?
“Always right”, huh?
Feel free to prove me wrong on anything I said. No one stops you. On the contrary. I would even welcome that, since these arguments are what make projects benefit the most. These are the ones that clear things up, so when it comes to decisions, all the best information is available.
I don’t care if Im right or wrong. I only care about the product. Unlike you.

People who resort to irrelevant personal attacks without actually debating the content of an argument, are either unable to argue, because they are wrong, or not smart enough to argue, and unable to accept what they are.
Seems like you decided you are one of those people, instead of trying to help the project. Too bad.

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#1114358
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Valheru_84 said:

Briefly on the topic of storm trooper camo - it’s entirely unnecessary and counter productive to the narrative and plot devices that the purposefully always white troopers are. Throughout the movies you see their armour take different shapes and forms in different environments that do provide different functionality but they always remain white which points to a higher conscious decision to maintain a stark white armour despite adapting its form & design to the conditions and military engagement.

From a logical viewpoint not taking anything else into account, yes it makes sense from a military perspective to provide forest, desert or urban camo armour as per the environment they are deployed to but this logic has obviously been consciously overriden (as per a GL statement quoted in an earlier post) in favour of the image and message it conveys by all troopers remaining white. It speaks to the might and power of the Empire, a constant and unmissable message conveyed wherever ther are seen, that they need not bother with such tactical matters nor do they ever feel the need even consider such matters as who would raise a hand against the mighty Empire? Until the Rebels off course…

The only military members of the Empire (apart from the Officers) that are not white are the black fighter pilots who primarily will always be on a Star Destroyer or the Death Star or actually inside a Tie fighter and not seen by the general public as well. And then there’s the ceremonial guards in red which again is all about the associated message - it is the colour of blood and is meant to convey fear and awe as it signifies the imminent arrival or presence of the Emperor himself.

It’s all about visual language such as the fact that Vader being all black makes him a fearful figure and really stand out in the Empire against the vast ranks of opposingly stark white storm troopers. Also being the public face of the Empire, troopers being white could be seen as a way to placate and mislead the masses into continual complacent acceptance of their control since white is not generally associated with ‘evil’ but with ‘good’ and so the masses are less likely to care about the Empire’s motives as long as they are generally left alone and will turn a blind eye to events they don’t have first hand knowledge or involvement with.

Ok, maybe that wasn’t so brief LOL…

.Val

Not brief but spot on.

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#1114355
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DominicCobb said:

Is rejecting Jani from the forum on topic?

So instead of arguing with thoughts that makes sense, and true, just reject someone, because that is something you can’t do.
Rejecting you is way much better. You added nothing just acid.

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#1113882
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doubleofive said:

People suggesting ideas from the new movies is on topic.

People rejecting those ideas because Disney/LFL came up with them is not.

How you interpret things is up to you.
The reason clearly wasn’t that.
Does not matter who came up with Beachtrooper. It is a stupid idea. But it happens to be Disney.
They had some good ideas too.

But people want to install elements from the Disney, just because they like the new movies is on topic?
Because that was the reasoning behind Beachtrooper.

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#1113870
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doubleofive said:

Can we not use this thread to bitch about the new movies, please?

How about let’s not spread untrue ‘facts’ like that Lucasfilm statement.
How about let’s not bring up stupid things from new movies, if those are not allowed to be answered.
But it was brought up as an example, so it deserves an answer, and it shall be the truth, even if that translates into bitching in some people’s head.
All I did is answer. All I said is the truth. Like it or not.
And if anyone wants to use elements from new movies in ROTJ revisited, then the whole discussion about it is on topic.

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Editroid said:

doubleofive said:

Can we not use this thread to bitch about the new movies, please?

Thank you! Let’s not!

You don’t have to thank anything to anyone.
It’s not like anybody agrees with you on that statement of yours, that is 100% false.
You can stop pretending.

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Editroid said:

Jani-wan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

While I agree the Empire should use minimal color, it just doesn’t make sense to wear white. Besides, it’s already been implemented in some weird way with the shoretroopers.

The white was intentional, and there is no logical need for changing either.
And just because Disney got away from many of Lucas’ concepts, does not mean you have to change Lucas movies to resemble Disney’s ideas.
Not to mention this Shoretrooper idea by Disney is idiotic. There is no hiding on a beach. But they can sell more Stormtroopers for sure.

Lucasfilm makes the creative choices, not Disney.

In OT and PT George Lucas made the creative choices. Not Lucasfilm.
Lucasfilm is not George Lucas.
Now Lucasfilm does what Disney says. If Disney says reshoot half the movie, they do.
If Disney says we need X-trooper for no logical reason but to sell, than there will be X-trooper in the movie.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

While I agree the Empire should use minimal color, it just doesn’t make sense to wear white. Besides, it’s already been implemented in some weird way with the shoretroopers.

The white was intentional, and there is no logical need for changing either.
And just because Disney got away from many of Lucas’ concepts, does not mean you have to change Lucas movies to resemble Disney’s ideas.
Not to mention this Shoretrooper idea by Disney is idiotic. There is no hiding on a beach. But they can sell more Stormtroopers for sure.

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exitzero said:

When Luke is hiding from Vader under the throne dais, the consoles he’s using to conceal himself don’t even reach to the ground. When he screams “No!” he’s right out in the open like Vader couldn’t see him. there needs to be more of a maze of consoles and equipment underneath the throne.

Totally agree, that he should not be seen that easily. But I was always thinking that he is using some kind of Jedi invisibility trick, or whatever, so Vader can’t see him. (I convince myself with BS too. From time to time.)

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INVAR said:

fishmanlee said:

My suggestion: make the Emperor’s shuttle unique, paint it red, or black, with the Imperial logo on the side or something.

Why would the Emperor paint a target on himself? Palatine is not as vain and ego-centric as Krennic or others are.

Well it’s not like he would travel alone without a Superstardestroyer and some “small” stardestroyers.
Good luck getting near that shuttle.
Im sure if he doesn’t want attention and goes alone, he won’t use that.

I far as I know, there is no one more ego-centric in the whole star wars universe than the Sith.

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#1112954
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SilverWook said:

Much to my surprise there is a Palpatine shuttle paint job already in existence.

Is this smart?
Space is real dark and the floor on the Death Star is black.

I would recommend to paint the stripe red, and leave the shuttle white.
And I’d like a black imperial logo on the white. Not on the top of the wings though, cause that makes no sense.
Honestly Im not sure why would a logo be needed, if this shuttle type is for high ranking imperial officials only. Or at least I assume that is the reason Adywan wants to change Tydirium. You see the shuttle, you know whats coming, no need to see logos.
Still, I just like the imperial logo, anyway. Just sacrifice logic for art.

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#1112390
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Jani-wan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Are you still taking requests?, because I’m trying to integrate camouflaged stormtroopers in the Battle of Endor, as I feel they would know better than to dress in white for a fight in a forest.

This camouflaged stormtroopers idea made me think, and I realized:
Prepare for what fight?
I would assume they never imagined in their worst nightmare that they have to actually fight those creatures. It’s like no SAS or any elite force on earth would bother to use camouflage while “fighting” monkeys in the jungle, using flamethrowers and machine guns. It would be more like exterminating, not figthing.

One would think one small rebel group is no match for all of them with some AT-AT and AT-ST and speederbikes on their side.
And they were hidden as long they wanted to be hidden. Rebels never saw them. Everything went as expected, Rebels were easily captured.
No fighting.

But it was a trap. They knew Rebels were coming. Granted, they were supposed to let them deactivate the sheild, but that doesn’t mean they needed the Rebels alive. Just let them take the bunker, and on their way out, kill them.

I would hardly think deactivation of the shield was part of any imperial plan.
Or to let them take the bunker. Any good plan would capture/kill them outside of the entrance.
Camouflage is not needed, since they thought they exactly know where the rebels will be, so you only need to do is let them walk into the trap and kill/capture them.
Before asking, why not capture/kill them before they entered, I answer.
The Imperials were surprised by the back door move, and needed some time to react, so they nearly got there too late.
How could they be so sloppy? Well, they “knew” that the rebels didn’t know about the back entrance. The advantage of giving the information to the enemy is that you know what they have.
Nearly backfired.
And then it backfired.

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SAMCRO said:

Actually I don’t think any trooper’s armor really needs to be changed. But it would make most sense to me if the stormtoopers were white, while the scout troopers were camouflaged.

For the stormtroopers I fully agree with before mentioned points:

  1. Normally they probably want to be seen in masses for intimitation tactics.
  2. In this special case (a trap) they ARE absolutely hidden until the right time, no matter what armor they wear.

Now for the scout troopers it’s different. They are not meant as intimidating mass force but have a special job: scouting unknown, maybe even enemy territory. For this special job it’s obviously a disavantage if you are easily seen by the enemy…

Another disadvantage is that loud thing they ride. 😄

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trimboNZ said:

I think idea of camouflage troopers goes against the motif of the Empire being the arrogant, out-of-place invaders.

I’d rather keep the existing colour scheme of Imperials as white/black/gray and the Rebels and Ewoks as “organic” greens and browns.

I agree.
Why “fix” something that is actually good.
And don’t “fix” something just to do something, just to make it different.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Are you still taking requests?, because I’m trying to integrate camouflaged stormtroopers in the Battle of Endor, as I feel they would know better than to dress in white for a fight in a forest.

This camouflaged stormtroopers idea made me think, and I realized:
Prepare for what fight?
I would assume they never imagined in their worst nightmare that they have to actually fight those creatures. It’s like no SAS or any elite force on earth would bother to use camouflage while “fighting” monkeys in the jungle, using flamethrowers and machine guns. It would be more like exterminating, not figthing.

One would think one small rebel group is no match for all of them with some AT-AT and AT-ST and speederbikes on their side.
And they were hidden as long they wanted to be hidden. Rebels never saw them. Everything went as expected, Rebels were easily captured.
No fighting.

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RogueLeader said:
I think that maybe Luke’s plan was to get to the Sarlacc all along, and to get as much back-up there for the escape as possible.

Clearly this is what Lucas tried to sell as plan B. Plan A was to negotiate, and use the mind trick. Surely he didn’t wanna use the same “prison break” twice, so he wanted to do something different, and spectacular.
I was under the impression that this was clear to everyone who criticised the plan. Since this is a bad plan. Logically.
Now I read that some people had no idea about this. Don’t even know what to say.

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nhoj3 said:

Here’s my take on the rescue plan. In order to “fix” the rescue plan I first wanted to understand what the plan actually WAS so that we could then remove any elements that contradict or work against it.

Plan A: The droids arrange for a meeting with Luke. Luke plans to negotiate/ use a Jedi mind trick to get Jabba to release everyone. Luke either gets the droids out as part of the deal or leaves them for Lando to smuggle out.

Outcome: Jabba rules this out immediately upon hearing Luke’s message. Lando presumably informs the team that Plan A has failed.

Plan B: Leia infiltrates Jabba’s court and attempts to break Han out. The haste of the plan means that she must sacrifice Chewbacca to buy credibility. If successful, this plan requires Lando to smuggle Chewie and the droids out later.

Outcome: Jabba doesn’t fall for the deception. Everyone is captured now except for Lando and Luke. Lando presumably informs Luke.

Luke arrives and makes one last attempt at Plan A. This fails, leaving…

Plan C: Everyone to fight their way out. Luke was likely hoping that Artoo would be present to provide his smuggled lightsaber but with Artoo absent Luke resorts to stealing a blaster. Whether he planned to kill or merely threaten Jabba is unknown.

Outcome: Everyone captured.

I understand what you are trying to do, but I think “THE PLAN” can not be fixed. Superficial elements maybe can get fixed, but the real the problems are deeper.

nhoj3 said:
So what elements of the film do I feel work against this?

For one, it makes no sense to send Threepio with Artoo. He has no part in any kinda rescue, so he is in there for no logical reason.
The only way to fix this is to erase Threepio completely.
The only REAL reason that 3PO is in there because he is a major character so I don’t think that would do any good to the movie.

It makes no sense to send Leia.
After sending the droids the only thing has failed is to gain easy entry to Jabba’s palace, what plan A would have achieved.
So if anyone should go next, it is Luke.
Use the Jedi mind trick and get out.
But it would make more sense to go together. Try the mind trick, and if it does not work, shoot your way out.
Especially makes no sense to send Leia, because they have to sacrifice Chewie to gain entry. (not to buy credibility)
Luke can gain entry without sacrificing Chewie.
So Plan B makes very little sense.
The only reason to send in Leia while sacrificing Chewie, could be to get Han out of the carbonite, and attempt to get him out of the palace. He is weak and a burden, and if it comes to a break out, rather break out Chewie than Han.
But if the plan is to use the mind trick, there is no need to get Han out of the carbonite.
So actually the only reason that Leia is in, that she has to be involved somehow. Just as Threepio.
To fix this you have to erase Leia completely, but I don’t think that would do any good to the movie

To this point nothing can be fixed with THE PLAN, because we have two characters who have no logical reason to be there.
The plan sucks, because the major characters must be involved in a major way, except Chewie, who was always merely support, so we just have to go with what we’ve got

nhoj3 said:
If this so-called Jedi shows his face, kill him.

I don’t think adding this would fix or improve anything. We already know where Jabba stands.

nhoj3 said:
2. The “Flanderization” of C-3PO. While Threepio is certainly a worrywart, that personality trait has become a caricature in ROTJ. In ANH, Threepio successfully bluffed past Stormtroopers on the Death Star and was decisive in choosing when to leave hiding and try to board the Falcon. In ROTJ the caricature version of Threepio has been left out of the plan and (because of his ignorance) could easily work against it at any moment.

Strengthen C-3PO: Start by strengthening Threepio’s character by removing obvious dialogue like “Oh look, its Captain Solo and he’s still frozen in carbonite” and “Oh no, Chewbacca”.

I agree with your insight on Threepio.
But it’s Threepio’s line that reveals Solo for us.
“Oh no, Chewbacca” could go. Adds nothing anyway, but cutting this would not strenghten Threepio that much that one would notice I guess.

  1. Poor execution of the Boushh deception. Chewbacca is brought in with only a neck restraint, while in ANH they knew that binders was a better sell. Red flags were raised with Chewie overpowering Jabba’s guard in the stairwell but allowing Boushh to so easily tame him.

That is something that makes sense. The chain leash always bothered me to. What we see is ridiculous.
Not to mention the contrast of the two characters. Chewie should be cuffed and in chains, while the bounty hunter shoves him with a rifle to make him move.
Then again, you think is there anything that can be done with the footage, to make this scene believable?

nhoj3 said:
4. Luke’s overconfidence on the skiff in claiming that everything was under control when all plans had failed by this point.

Well, I guess, it only makes sense that he is confident in his plan, because the audience is not.
Here is where I would use outside help, that actually could be added by Adywan.
If there was an attack on the barge at the Sarlacc Pit, that would make THE PLAN somewhat credible, and would suggest a good chance of survivability.
As it is now, Luke nearly gets everyone killed at the pit. It is a miracle that anyone survives this, not to mention everyone.

Even Leia strangling Jabba could be cut, and just blow up the barge.

nhoj3 said:
A few people have already mentioned the brief scene after the Chewbacca exchange where Boushh is facing Threepio (just prior to the Boba Fett nod). Subtitled audio of Boushh could say something like:

“Stick to the Plan. Tonight.”

A few moments later we see Lando in disguise, so we know that something is afoot.

An important rule of infiltration, if you not suppose to know someone, do not make contact, and surely do not talk about THE PLAN, unless something has changed.
And the audience already knows something is afoot.

All in all, there is very little that can be done with THE PLAN