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I’ve assumed Ackbar is giving the mark to the capital ships, with Lando giving the mark to the fighters.
Admiral Ackbar says “prepare to jump to hyperspace on my mark”, and Lando answers “all right, stand by”. And then he jumps into hyperspace!
As for the Death Star plans, why not have it start with the centered dish, then cycle through a few designs when R2 is plugged in, ending on the correct one.
Later, during the briefing, use the correct design but keep the slightly more primitive “look” of the graphics.
I like this.
A good compromise.
It would be amusing if the final version of the plans was small enough to be broadcast through the shield gate in RO, but the designers just had to include all 17 revisions.
Well, that makes no sense.
Surely a facility like this is able to send very large data packeges with one short burst.
In which case, it is either the data goes through or doesn’t. Does not matter how small it is.
If the shield is up that blocks the carrier wave, it doesn’t, no matter how small the data package is.
On a personal note, it is a broadcast, so every single ship recieves the data, which means there is no need for the rebels to run with that thingy in their hand. 😉
But that Vader scene at the end makes that kind of who cares. Let’s just pretend it wasn’t a broadcast, and was aimed at only one ship. Somehow. For some illogical reason.
I don’t think that the original movies should be updated and changed every time to accomodate a new movie. The new movie shall be fixed IMO.
Anybody say anything about Lando jumping to hyperspace before akbar mark,
Prepare to go into hyperspace in my mark.
Lando just says OK and pulls the lever, who made that guy a general
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Now thinking more about it, I do say completely ax out boba fett from the movie.
Instead, there could be an extra character added that could be an imperial spy. Kind of like in The Force Awakens you had a resistance spy and an imperial spy …
Anyway, it shows a guy sneaking off the hallway, maybe after Luke kills the rancor. He could be in a cloak, or looks like some kind of bounty hunter or something. He Takes out a communicator and says “Inform Lord Vader Skywalker is here.”
If there needs to be more added about this concept: After holo escapes, the video screen can be used with an officer reporting to Vader that explains that troops found the Palace empty and rumors/reports that Jabba was killed and Skywalker escaped. Vader can be silent … or just choke the guy … whatever is needed.
It adds a good connection for the first part of the movie with the rest. It also goes with the scene with the emperor commenting about Vader’s search for Luke and telling him to just wait for Luke to come to him.
Even better: at each point of the movie where Luke leaves a place Ady should add an Imperial spy who reports to Vader that Luke is here and later to inform him that Luke has left. At Jabba’s palace (“ok then, Lord Vader, he’s gone, and Jabba is dead”), in Dagobah (“well, Lord Vader, he’s gone and Yoda is dead”), in the Rebel Fleet (“Lord Vader, bad news, he’s gone, and a space mexican guy is co-piloting the Falcon now”), on Endor (“he’s… oh! okay, he’s just surrendered himself. My job here is done”), on the Death Star (“Vader is gone, the Emperor is dead, and Luke is leaving again. Damned !”). The same character can also be added to TFA:R.
LMAO 😄
I would certainly prefer if the dug thing was absent from the steps, though. Any word on that one?
I didn’t even bring the Dug up because it doesn’t make any sense in a shot that’s supposed to show that EVERYONE is asleep.
Very true
doubleofive said:
Another thing, I wonder if Ady can get rid of the audio of Greedo from ANH from Jabba’s Throne Room.
Would be a shame if that had to stay. Always bothered me.
I don’t get the complaints about Vader being forced to call Palpatine his master at all times. He’s been beat down for 25 years at this point from a man who literally gave him his life back.
Totally agree. Vader is clearly under the thumb of the Emperor. He would kill him if he could, but he is so weak has no free will when it comes to him.
That is the reason he never tried to kill him, which suppose to be the Sith way after all.
How would Palpatine know what Vader said to Luke at Cloud City? He might sense a change in Vader post Bespin, but not necessarily a I want to kill you and rule the galaxy with my kid vibe.
Doesn’t have to.
Surely Palpatine always knew that his apprentice wants to kill him, once he feels he is strong enough to do it. He is a Sith afterall, who went through the same thing. And succeded.
(I know disney deleted the EU with “one swift stroke”, still it is something that works, and Lucas adopted this “always 2” rule in the PT)
We know Vader wants Luke to join him, but it is evident Luke doesn’t want to. He needs the emporer to help turn Luke to the dark side, then kill the emporer, Vader really doesn’t think there’s any light left in himself. Till the end? Does Luke’s speach about his father before him do the trick? It was only when Luke was getting shocked he betrayed palpy. He thought about it too. That was his chance to kill the emporer.
Interesting, and I was thinkin about it, but I have to quote Threepio:
I just really don’t know how.
I can’t put the whole thing together. I don’t know what outcome Vader expects when he turns Luke over, because he must know if he lets the Emperor run the show, than the possible outcomes are not in his favor at all.
Vader was ordered by the Emperor to make sure that the Death Star is operational, by the time the rebel fleet arrives.
He can’t leave. He must obay his master.
He might send some troups though, if he has any at his disposal mind you, since the legions are stationed on the Endor moon, waiting for the rebels.
Plus the Emperor knows that Skywalker will come to Vader, and he tells this to Vader exactly when he needs to. When Vader’s job is done on the Death Star, and has some time to kill before the rebels arrive.
So logically, Vader is not going anywhere.I see what you are saying, especially in relation to Vader’s character as presented in ROTJ. However it is clear in ESB that Vader is undermining the Emperor and plans to betray him. (The Emperor informs Vader of there new enemy, who Vader has already been searching for.) I would personally do away with most of the “I must obey my master” type dialogue, I see Vader as a slave to the dark side more than to the Emperor himself. If Luke, Vader and Palpatine all have different intentions it makes for greater drama and tension.
They all have different intentions. It’s just that Vader has to kill the Emperor to do what he wants.
The reason you can’t neglect the “I must obey my master” line, is because it is the most powerful thing that drives Vader.
Right there, when Luke surrenders, he has a chance to make a choice, to do what he wants, to unite with his son, so together they can overthrow the Emperor.
Yet he turns his son over to the Emperor, because he must obey his Master.
Even when Luke tries to kill the Emperor, all he has to do, is not to parry the blow. Easiest thing in the world not to do anything, and let others do the work for me.
Yet he couldn’t even do that, and instead he tried to kill his son.
All because he must obey his Master.
I think the official explanation is that there are multiple designs on the hard drive. Which would explain why we see the wrong one in Rogue One, but certainly wouldn’t explain why the Rebels are looking at the wrong one while planning their attack. That just doesn’t make sense. This was one of the best fixes in the original ANHR, I don’t know why it should be reverted back.
Agreed.
Yeah, I’d vote to just make them match TFA, personally. Especially if the Death Star schematics are getting rolled back to match RO.
Yeah, I’d vote against it.
Why change anything better back to something worse, just because in a new movie something looks just as bad as it was 40 years ago.
Maybe the TIE fighters could change to white, since they are white in TFA, and add a seat behind Vader and the other TIE pilots, so it matches TFA.
“Plus the Emperor knows that Skywalker will come to Vader, and he tells this to Vader exactly when he needs to.”
I think this is incorrect. The emporer doesn’t know Luke is there until Vader tells him he felt his presence. Then he tells him to go to endor. And he has for seen it, he is bsing Vader to make it seem like it is part of his plan.
Side note on Boba fett… wouldn’t that guy recognize Luke at Jabbas and relay to Jabba that the empire wants him bad, probably a pretty hefty price on his head.
He doesn’t know where Luke is, all he knows he is coming to visit Vader.
" – You’ve done well Lord Vader. And now I sense you wish to continue your searc hfor young Skywalker.
– Yes my Master.
– Patience my friend. In time he will seek you out. And when he does, you must bring him before me. …"
That is a good observation on Boba Fett. The question is what Jabba cares about. Prize money, or revenge. I’d bet on the latter.
Just thought I’d bring this across from the unofficial REVISITED suggestion thread.
I’ve read numerous posts in regards to removing Boba Fett from Jabba’s Palace during Jedi. While I understand the reasoning for this, I think it would be more interesting if he was their waiting for Luke to attempt a rescue Han.
After Luke arrives, Boba Fett can inform Vader that Luke is at Jabba’s Palace. I would probably place this after Luke has killed the Rancor, but before him and Han are reunited:
INT. DEATHSTAR. VADERS CHAMBERS
…
Vader leaves the Death Star aboard his shuttle.
Then I would place this after the barge explosion and falcon/ x-wing leaving Tatooine:
Vader can then arrive and enter through the main gates of the palace (mirroring Lukes entrance), however he snaps the necks of the guards using the force, and finds the palace practically empty. This would be after the barge explodes and skiff zooms away…Another idea for ROTJ would be to have C-3PO inform Han that the Ewoks were already preparing an assault on the Imperial base, therefore their weapons and traps are justified (I know this is something that bothers a lot of people.)
Vader was ordered by the Emperor to make sure that the Death Star is operational, by the time the rebel fleet arrives.
He can’t leave. He must obay his master.
He might send some troups though, if he has any at his disposal mind you, since the legions are stationed on the Endor moon, waiting for the rebels.
Plus the Emperor knows that Skywalker will come to Vader, and he tells this to Vader exactly when he needs to. When Vader’s job is done on the Death Star, and has some time to kill before the rebels arrive.
So logically, Vader is not going anywhere.
The Threepio idea is really good, and would fill the gaping whole in the story, but as the Emperor asked Vader:
Can it be done?
Just found this George Lucas quote:
“A lot of people are going to be offended by Ewoks. A lot of people say the films are just an excuse for merchandising: ‘‘Lucas just decided to cash in on the teddy bear.’’ Well, it’s not a great thing to cash in on, because there are lots of teddy bears marketed, so you don’t have anything that’s unique. If I were designing something original as a market item, I could probably do a lot better.”
And to quote someone else:
“I’ve just about had enough of this.”
Wrong, not an urban legend at all. Although it’s true that about the reasons why they weren’t wookiees, the fact about their design remains true that their design was deliberately altered to make them look like Teddy Bears. Their original design was more vicious, but george wanted to sell toys (where the real money is made). Originally they didn;t even have the head-dress, so looked exactly like Teddy bears. The head dress was only added during production because they had to cut a hole in the back of the head for cooling purposes. He also refused to have Han killed off because “no one wants to buy a toy of a dead character”
Actually Ewoks are too girly, and Star Wars fans are mostly boys.
Sure there were other designs.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ATMachine/Ewok Concepts/yuzzum_jj1_late80.png
And would these sell worse for some reason?
Because thats what needs to be proved for that theory. Or quote George Lucas saying it. Only thing I found is that he said he wanted them cuddly. That is just not enough to prove anything.
If can not be proved, its just urban legend.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/132656/did-lucas-always-intend-the-ewoks-to-be-specifically-for-children/132665
http://screenrant.com/ewok-star-wars-trivia-facts-you-didnt-know/
Pretty sure that marketing idea came after creating the Ewoks.
And on a personal note, I think only Wicket is cuddly, and that baby Ewok, the others are really not.
But I had enough of Ewoks, it has already gone way beyond what it should have.
I still stand for Ewoks not to be deleted though.
Yeah, Harrison Ford said that. Im not sure if Lucas was right if Ford told the truth. Lot’s of Boba Fetts been bought I guess. Personally I would buy Boba over Solo. But only got an R2 anyway, so what do I know.
There is nothing plausible in TFA. That is a mess.
I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.
Why anyone cares about ‘Canon’? It is a Disney business move to make more money, and has nothing to do with what Star Wars is or should be.
Please can you keep this Disney bashing crap out of this thread. It plagues too many thread now by the usual suspects and i don;t want it infecting this one too.
I didn’t bring up any of it, merely responded.
I wholeheartedly agree to leave all the Disney crap out.
I guess even mentioning Disney and the new films in positive or negative way should be avoided, or it will create a debate inevitably, as it has.
So there is really no need to mention those here.
Plus the canon thing was a Lucas marketing tool to make money, in place LONG before the Disney buy out. Personally i’m loving the new Star Wars films so far. Heads and tales above the crap PT.
Facts are that
–> Back to Return of the Jedi suggestions. Hopefully.
I’ve always thought it strange that in an Empire with “a lot of command ships,”
Nice catch. Forgot this one. It is strange indeed.
I always thought there is only the Executor, since the Emperor doesn’t really travel, Vader uses it. And when the Emperor does, Vader gets a smaller one 😃
darth_ender said:
… Vader only uses an Imperator-class star destroyer while the Emperor commandeered the Executor. Based on the above idea of having Vader arrive in the Executor, I thought it would be fun if the Emperor arrived in the Eclipse from the old EU. Of course this would present some story problems, such as where it went after dropping him off at the Death Star, or if it sticks around, based on existing footage, how would the Rebels destroy it and the Executor? Probably not a realistic addition, but a fun thought.
If they setting a trap, and they have such a ship right there, there is no reason to leave.
I guess this could be the reason that we see Vader’s shuttle exiting an Imperial class, and not the Executor. And the Emperor arrived with that.
Yeah, destroying two of these monsters plus the Death Star …
Fixing the dialog is easier 😃
Seems like no one actually read the whole thing I wrote. I talked about reducing the impact Ewoks cause, I do realize cutting or replacing them entirely would be near impossible at best.
Adyone already said he would be removing slapstick Ewok moments, I was just suggesting restoring some of the deleted bunker scenes and removing even more in a tasteful manner.
Either way,
Ewoks … They are absolutely ridiculous and only exist to appeal kids and to sell toys.
Wrong. It’s an urban legend. Absolutely nothing to do with kids and toys.
They only exist because Chewbacca got a main role, therefore they could not be Wookies anymore, as they were in early drafts.
Since it is impossible to replace Ewoks with Wookies, getting rid of Ewoks is getting rid of Star Wars, as they were always part of it, from the very first draft.You do realize you are contradicting yourself… First you say it was Wookies in the early drafts, then you say Ewoks was part of it from the very first draft. And it is not an urban legend. George Lucas always had this mindset of adding slapstick moments and adding characters that would (in his opinion) appeal kids and make good toys. Just look at Gungans and Jar Jar, whole reason they exist is the same as well. One could argue, getting rid of them getting rid of Star Wars as they WERE a part of it from the very first draft. But we both know no one, including myself, would agree to that. (in this case, it is actually true, they were in the first draft and your argument is invalid)
No I don’t.
You don’t understand. The Ewoks are the Wookiees. Just got smaller, and got renamed.
Pretty sure that some journalist, who hated the Ewoks came up with this selling toys crap, and people who hate the Ewoks want to believe it, because it is convinient, and allows them to easily rationalize their hatred.
And for a very long time, I believed this as well.
But it’s not true. It is an urban legend, like it or not.
Wookiees make good toys too, so that is an invalid argument.
Jar-Jar? Really? SMH
What’s next? Obamacare?
Oh and gungans don’t make good toys.
Artoo and Threepio appeal to kids too, they make good toys too, yet nobody wants to get rid of them. And most certainly were not created to sell toys.
So this argument fails.
I know George Lucas would not wanna get rid of the Ewoks. That is one. I think Adywan never mentioned getting rid of Ewoks. Thats two.
Getting rid of the Ewoks, or getting rid of slapstick moments are very different.
I always hated too, how childish the Ewoks are, and for a very long time it didn’t even occured to me either, that they eat people, despite that I watched ROTJ like a hundred times.
So making the Ewoks more menacing somehow is a good idea.
Getting rid of them is not:
sansuni said:
Lastly, I completely agree with everyone who stated Ewoks should be reduced/gotten rid off.
I read the whole thing. It is there.
Octorox said:
True, but Ady also doesn’t have to consider them canon, since these are his personal edits. Personally, I’d prefer he not add elements that blatantly contradict the other films though (moreso than already exist).
Why anyone cares about ‘Canon’? It is a Disney business move to make more money, and has nothing to do with what Star Wars is or should be.
Ewoks … They are absolutely ridiculous and only exist to appeal kids and to sell toys.
Wrong. It’s an urban legend. Absolutely nothing to do with kids and toys.
They only exist because Chewbacca got a main role, therefore they could not be Wookies anymore, as they were in early drafts.
Since it is impossible to replace Ewoks with Wookies, getting rid of Ewoks is getting rid of Star Wars, as they were always part of it, from the very first draft.
- Finally, bear with me on this last one: I know Adywan intends to restore Sebastian Shaw as Anakin’s Force ghost. I understand why; regardless of one’s like or dislike of the prequels, it was staggeringly sloppy and lazy of Lucas to simply reuse existing footage of Hayden’s head that hadn’t even been aged up to look like a man who’d be in his late forties. Having said that…Shaw still presents the audience with the opposite problem: Obi-Wan standing next to his former student as played by someone a decade older than Alec Guinness. Is there any sort of visual tweaking that could be applied to make Shaw look somewhat younger, somewhat easier to connect with the character audiences know from either the prequels or the Clone Wars? Facial tweaking, more hair, darker robes, anything?
I’d love this, and it’s something that I think Adywan is talented enough to pull off. Give Anakin his ROTS robes and make him look more like a 40 year old man than a 78 year old man.
+1
It’s a real shame about PT:R. These were the revisited projects I was most looking forward to. They are even more broken than Jedi. Hopefully someone else will take up the mantle. There is good them, I have felt it 😊 even if Rouge One was part3 of a PT:R. So much technical talent and genuine affection from people who worked on those Star Wars misshapes. It’s a shame if they stayed as they are.
Well, if we are lucky, Disney will do a cool Darth Vader movie where we can see him chasing the remaining Jedis across the galaxy. If they do a cool movie, you can consider Rogue One as Episode 3, this Darth Vader movie as episode 2 and someone can try to edit ROTS (with maybe some (few) scenes from the episode 1 or 2) to be the first episode, removing most of it flaws. This way we can have a prequel that doesn’t contradict anything that was said in the OT.
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.
There is so much potential in PT:R. The PT is so broken in its current form that there are no sacred cows. And yet there are so many wonderful designs and a few nice performances just waiting to be liberated. To be frank this news is almost 1983 all over again, for me personally. Naturally I support and respect Adys decisions. A man must know his limits but it was the possibility of finally enjoying the first three episodes that really interested me much more than reworking the first two movies which are pretty much flawless anyway. At least Jedi is getting fixed. But the real problems with Jedi are the same problems the PT has. The story is lacklustre, the performances are patchy, the visuals are inconsistent. Disney will never repair the PT. Hopefully Adys achievements will inspire someone else.
I watched The Phantom Menace several times, and I think it can be fixed. Not to be great, but to be all rigth. The story ain’t bad, and with some slight modifications it can be even good. The acting is lightyears better than in any Disney SW.
So I guess, we, the Star Wars fans, must convince Ady to do it, and have to come up with Ady’s full time salary for the Phantom Manace project.
Im sure he would get all the help from millions of fans, he just needs to say, what needs to be done.
I’d like to suggest completely removing the Leia and Wicket scene. Add a bit of tension wondering where she is, and the Ewoks seem more of a threat if you haven’t seen one nibbling snacks from a stranger and frightened of helmets.
If it makes you feel better the fanedit I’m working on of the film does this. The thread is around here somewhere I don’t post in it much because I’m very on again off again when it comes to working on it, one of these days I’m just going to randomly surprise everybody with it being done.
But without that scene, how does Leia appear in Ewok the village?
And even if she gets there somehow, we don’t know why she wasn’t served for lunch, while Han is certainly getting prepared to be the dinner.
Because one thing is certain, that the Ewoks are not a friendy bunch, and they like to eat people, despite how they look like.
So it is not very realistic that a human female can talk herself out of being eaten, especially if she does not speak the language.
I guess it is safe to say, logically she can not be in the village, without building trust first, what the scene offers that you want to delete.As you say, there is a logical connection that we make. She is seen there in a dress with braided hair - clearly not in danger. It doesn’t impact the main plot to not show how she got to be there safely, and actually sidetracks from the important plot points to some degree. It also sets a precedent of Ewoks not being a threat which makes the capture scene feel more like a game at the Teddy Bear Picnic.
Facts:
So if Leia is captured, the most probable outcome here, if she retains her gun somehow, that she shoots them and escapes, or becomes a fine piece of Ewok cousine.
There is no alliance in either case, that is essential in the movie.
By the way, not many people know this, but Ewoks were suppose to be Wookies, as it was in the early drafts of Star Wars. With Chewbacca becoming a main character, it had to be changed, but unfortunatelly people associate Ewoks with Teddy bears.
I like a lot of the ideas in this video for the ground battle of endor, I know its a video game but still.
I like this a lot. Looks great.
The problem is, it does not work, with what we have.
General Madine:
“A strike force will land on the moon”
A strike force is a team, that is small enough that can evade detection, yet able to carry out the task.
Vader:
“A small rebel force has penetrated the shield, and landed on Endor.”
Clearly, there are very few rebels on the Moon, and there is no way that they get help, except from the Ewoks.
Remember the shield is up, that Han mentions when they arrive:
“Shuttle Tydirium requesting the deactivation of the deflector shield”
Plus what Vader confirms it:
“A small rebel force has penetrated the shield, and landed on Endor.”
So there is a shield over Endor, and as long as the shield generator is functional, there is no help. They are on their own.
Han even gives us a clue about the size of his team:
“Take the squad ahead, we’ll meet at the generator…”
So we have a pretty clear picture.
A "strike force"
A “small rebel force”.
A “squad”.
In most armies, a squad consists of eight to fourteen soldiers.
iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.
I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.
I think this discussion should be moved to another thread.
I don’t want to highjack this thread.
I could not find a Phantom Menace thread, so if you could provide the link, I would explain what I was thinkin in more details.
Obi-Wan tells Luke “your father wanted you to have [the lightsaber] when you were old enough.” He also mentions Owen being afraid Luke would follow Obi-Wan on some “idealistic crusade” like Anakin.
This one bugs me because you can’t really justify it as Obi-Wan simply lying about Luke’s father. Why even bring it up? All he needed to say is “by the way, I have your father’s lightsaber, if you want it.” Why even mention anything about the “idealistic crusade” or Anakin wanting Luke to have the lightsaber?
It is psychology.
It is quite clear from the dialogs, that Luke probably idolizes his father, as he jumps right away when his father is mentioned in any way, because he represents something that he dreams of.
Obi-wan knows this, and tells this lie to Luke to motivate him, to manipulate him. Obi-wan wants him to believe that he can actually do something, that his father always wanted him to do.
If he’d say what you suggest, that “by the way, I have your father’s lightsaber, if you want it.”, it would only mean that he gets an object, that he can put in a drawer, and Obi-wan would not get the result he wants.
