JakeRyan17

szopman said:

As crazy as it sounds, maybe Kylo Ren slaughter in the Forest could be reused then as Endor? The fire could be explained as l, u know, battle field, FO slaughtering 🤷‍♂️ or Just a flashback. Damn, this sequence is Just too cool to be cut 😅

I’m not good enough at rotoscoping, but I wanted to recolour it to be on Starkiller Base after his fight with Rey. Then it could lead into him finding the Wayfinder there, and heading to Exegol as the end of the film’s cliffhanger.

Hal 9000 said:

Thanks, I like the change. It helps add just a moment to breathe.

I wish we had an establishing shot of the planet itself. Almost every Star Wars film introduces a new location by seeing a ship approach a planet. We never get this shot with Ahch-To, except through the Window of the Millennium Falcon at the end of The Force Awakens… it would be nice to see the Falcon arrive and head to the planet, as well as the TIE arrive and head to the planet.

JKMaxx said:

Ah, I should have specified! I meant Stormpilot. No hate for D’Acy and Tyce, but I can’t say I wouldn’t have preferred something more substantial, especially given all the headlines about making history with representation in Star Wars.

Gotcha! yeah… I wish I was proficient enough to make their hug into a kiss. Alas, I have to assume they were making out between that initial embrace and Rey finding them.

The tough thing is, if Rey doesn’t know the risk of killing Palpatine, why wouldn’t she strike him down earlier? What’s her motivation to sending Anakin’s/Luke’s sober to Kylo and not striking down the Emperor before he kills so many more people?

Panakin said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

cough There’s voice-over of Ahsoka Tano and she likely died after the originals and before the events of The Rise of Skywalker and that’s more than four… cough

Not so fast there Filoni hinted that shes alive after Episode 9

Filoni hinted that we don’t know what happened to her or when… almost as if he’s trying not to spoil any of the live-action series he’s working on.

JKMaxx said:

It’d certainly be exciting if some VFX master was able to cobble together a convincing kiss to replace the one we got…

Maybe a couple of body doubles with the faces edited?

My edits are being finished in 1080p, so I used the 4K version of that shot to at least make it closer up. I don’t mind their performances, I more mind that it’s such a throwaway.

I also updated the end sequence to try and make Maz involved with the Lando/Jannah conversation and make it clearer that Jannah is his daughter. I also took Poe’s line of dialogue asking Zorri for a kiss and put it in their reunion scene.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DUXM3TIlAJKR8pH2sMwvhbrzjWZt6XwL/view?usp=sharing

StarkillerAG said:

You should watch Hal’s TFA edit in full, it’s really good. The juxtaposition of Han’s death and the Republic’s destruction is a big punch in the gut, and it sets up the tone of TLJ wonderfully.

I definitely will, I downloaded it the other day. Just have been focused only cuts and watching other things. Again, I love the concept of it.

When I initially approached this, it wasn’t to change away from what the directors were doing. I just wanted the Palpatine reveal to make a little more contextual sense. Then the character of Zorri pissed me off enough that I decided to go all-in on StormPilot.

Zorri’s character doesn’t really have a purpose in the film. She shows up and reveals more of Poe’s backstory, but none of that backstory affects what we know about Poe and it doesn’t make us or the other characters question trusting him. She then leads then to Babu Frik, when Poe already knew where he was since he navigated to the planet and city where his workshop was, and that workshop was far from new. She then introduces yet another McGuffin, only to hand it over moments later without any action on our heroes’ parts. She also tempts Poe away from the cause, but again we know Poe too well by this third film to know he would never be tempted. She also has one of the many interchangeable hero shots in the end battle. The only other scenes she has is where she dismisses Poe’s romantic advances, and this happens twice. Both scenes have it where it can be read as her being interested or disinterested in Poe, but both are explicitly clear in communicating that Poe is straight.

Zorri Bliss’ entire character is there to scream “No homo”. That felt a bit insulting after the marketing campaign about LGBTQ+ representation only to find a quick, wide-shot with two unnamed characters, who have never shared the screen prior to this moment, kissing. One of them, Commander Larma D’Acy, has a larger role in The Last Jedi but is never named on screen, while her partner, pilot Wrobie Tyce, barely has any screen time in The Rise of Skywalker at all.

I always read Finn as being straight, since 2015 when he was obsessed with Rey and her possible boyfriend. I ignored his amazing chemistry with Poe, and his motivation in Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker again being tied to the female characters around him, I wrote the idea off. Fans wanted Poe to be gay, even Oscar Isaac wanted Poe to be gay. Introducing Zorri Bliss was an insult to LGBTQ+ fans who would’ve been much happier without Zorri and the random kiss at the end to have been between Poe and a male member of the Resistance.

End of rant explaining why I added StormPilot to my cut. Apologies if that’s something you couldn’t care less about.

HyperDown said:

Sounds pretty awesome! I wonder if you could include the structural changes that Hal9000 made to the Force Awakens, which create a more sensible flow to the plot (and removes the ridiculous visibility of the planet-destroying beam being visible from other star systems).

I thought about it, but I didn’t want to restructure too much. When I considered restructuring it, I had debated moving the opening battle of The Last Jedi into The Force Awakens, and cutting a lot more out of TFA. As I looked at it more, it started seeming like I’d be doing more harm than good. I’ve been debating the big structural changes from Hal’s version, I like them on paper but I haven’t watched it through to see it fully in context yet.

Hal 9000 said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I’ve only been editing the sequel trilogies for now, but TFA stayed there same run time (after cutting and adding), TLJ got longer (tiny cuts, lots of adds), and Rise is getting a lot chopped out… but not nearly everything that made me roll my eyes.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Sequel-Trilogy-Special-Edition-StormPilot/id/75425

Very interesting! And coming out of the woodwork all finished.

I wonder, since I’ve had some trouble with it, if you’d mind posting a clip of removing the lightspeed skipping.

Here’s what I had for that spot so far:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-5kuYFOjTgF5FavIgoqgVN0jbtX0zLJZ/view?usp=sharing

Since everyone was talking about delaying the reveal for Chewie, here is how I edited the scenes with Hux and Pryde, with a shot of context on either side to show where I placed them:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13s_K-gDKT1FjeDzmz_jRLFOlSyk9B6ci/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xzdgClxYMrRO-nkuPsMuzIOm9okmzowM/view?usp=sharing

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

“Who’s the girl” is a repeated line. Rey talks about waiting for her parents. The flashback focuses on her being left as a child. The phrasing “but there’s someone who still could” begs the audience to question “who?”.

Johnson just worked with what he was given.

None of that points to any sort of mystery surrounding Rey’s parents. There’s a mystery surrounding Rey’s incredible power, and Rey’s abandonment is a key plot point, but those two plot threads are not the same.

Also, when Maz says “There’s someone who still could”, she explicitly says that she’s not referring to Rey’s parents, but instead to Luke. Her whole speech is basically saying “Forget your parents, your future lies with the Jedi now.” I wish that was where they left it, instead of making Rey’s entire character arc about heritage and bloodline or whatever.

Rey mentions Luke, as if guessing who her parents are. Ridley even mentioned that she believed Luke to be her father when making The Force Awakens because of how that scene was structured. I think fans were the only ones that questioned her power, even Kylo states it as a matter of fact rather than questioning how an untrained girl could be so powerful, warning others that she’s testing her powers and will only become more dangerous. Her search for belonging is very tied to her parents throughout the movie, this is part of why she gravitates to Han and feels so angry that Kylo would kill one of his parents.

I’ve only been editing the sequel trilogies for now, but TFA stayed there same run time (after cutting and adding), TLJ got longer (tiny cuts, lots of adds), and Rise is getting a lot chopped out… but not nearly everything that made me roll my eyes.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Sequel-Trilogy-Special-Edition-StormPilot/id/75425

Movies Remastered said:

I did play around with removing ochi, Lando and the dagger up until Rey is in Kylos quarters but you have to remove so much if the movie that I felt it was too short. Without extra deleted scenes it’s tricky to remove that awful macguffin without losing a large chunk of the film.

Yeah, I agree with you there. It’s tough to split TLJ into the other films too because the arcs are so tightly paralleled too. If only there were more substance in Abrams’ films to flesh out.

wakeupkeo said:

Hal 9000 said:

The dagger is the reason Rey goes off on her own to Kylo’s quarters, so I feel that any attempt to remove its use would feel more awkward than accepting a dumb moment.

It’s dumb, but it’s not one of the big problems I had with the movie when I left.

Agree so much here. Tried to remove it from my edit but its sticky.

As for the dagger crossguard part, I just removed that part completely from my edit. Easier because mine is a 3-in-1, but Rey navigating the deathstar was almost a repeat of her introduction, searching the old star destroyer. She just knows her stuff really well from being a scavenger that everyone likes to remind her of so much. From there, it made sense that she could figure out quickly where Palps thone room was, then the wayfinder seems to “reveal” itself. Might be too hard to relate to two movies later though.

Removing the crossguard thing might be enough for me. I don’t mind the goonies moment of matching shapes as much as the little pointer thing. Might do that as well for my own cut.

NeverarGreat said:

The dagger is the least of the movie’s problems.

I dunno about “least”… there are a lot of issues, I haven’t triaged them all, personally…

Panakin said:

It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

Yoda already knew the books were elsewhere. That conversation was about having Luke let go of the shame and fear that paralysed him. Yoda wasn’t saying the Jedi needed to end, he was teaching his student to let go and trust again.

Yes. Exactly.

His “you have no place in this story” is a callback to her talking to Luke saying “I want to know my place in all of this.” Swapping the word story (though I’d argue it’s a common turn of phrase) might alleviate that “meta” quality. I disagree with the mirror being meta, to me it’s similar to Luke finding his own face under Vader’s mask. In both cases, the hero finds their own face at the heart of their fears.

“Who’s the girl” is a repeated line. Rey talks about waiting for her parents. The flashback focuses on her being left as a child. The phrasing “but there’s someone who still could” begs the audience to question “who?”.

Johnson just worked with what he was given.

Her desire to go back to Jakku makes it more about the who she belongs with. Not where. She rejects what Maz says when she’s told they aren’t coming back for her, and when she finally accepts it she starts seeking Luke to be that parent for her.

At the end of the day, I’ve always disliked The Force being hereditary. Made the Star Wars universe feel so small. The decision to make Rey disconnected from the dynasties helped make the universe big again. Making her the daughter of the Emperor’s clone made the universe tiny again.

That’s why I loved TLJ, and struggled with Abrams’ films.

StarkillerAG said:

Was Rey’s parentage actually an essential part of her character? That’s what everyone assumed after TFA, but in the movie she basically just drops the question after Maz says they’re never coming back. I feel like Rian directly addressed the Rey theories just to show that he “subverted the fan expectations” or whatever.

Her desire for belonging was essential to her character, and having every character in TFA remark about it tied the question of parentage to it. That’s why calling her no one was so satisfying: people in-universe continue to wonder how she could have such power, just like in the real world.

idir_hh said:

I think this would be a nice setup for Rey going crazy with the lightning in TROS:
By Gigawattboy
https://youtu.be/_8ScnpxUEHw

That’s a cool idea! I think it would be cool if it started more subtly, more just going between her fingers (Like Palpatine at the beginning of TROS). Save the full blast until the moment the saber shatters.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Anyway, what if Rey’s parents were left open to interpretation? Or would not answering the question at all annoy people even more?

Personally, her parents being anyone of significance was upsetting. Her being a “nobody” was fantastic. Her curiosity about her family and desire for belonging was so built into her character arc, that to not address it at all would be negligent.

idir_hh said:

In TLJ documentary, Johnson paints a picture of a more active role to Luke’s exile, him realising that the cycle of jedi and Sith ascendancy was never ending and so had to be broken, by removing himself and the jedi, out of the picture. The force would then have to choose a worthy inheritor of the light.

Pity the idea was executed half heartedly in the film.

That’s almost verbatim his dialogue in the film. It’s established really well.

The Emperor is the head of the Empire, which was the main threat of the original trilogy. Another separate threat would be introducing a new and separate antagonist. Lucas never did this. Snoke and the First Order was the primary antagonist, setting up Kylo to supplant him. Having an extra force to fight against that The First Order also has to fight against would have convoluted everything, be that threat another force or Knights of Ren.

TFA establishes Luke was ashamed due to Kylo turning to the dark side and that’s why he went into exile. It’s in the crawl and repeated in dialogue from Han.

No one lost the ability to use the Force, if anything it’s more widely believed in during TFA than ANH. Even non-Jedi/non-Sith characters use the Force (Maz).

Kylo is the leader of the knights of Ren. That is the only thing we know about them outside of the Kylo Ren comics.

I’m just saying that Johnson developed what Abrams introduced. If you have a problem with what was introduced, your issue is with Abrams not Johnson.

A. B.
The other threat needed to be established in that first film. Revealing a new antagonist later on doesn’t work, such as Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker.

C. D.
Goes against The Force Awakens.

E. Goes against The Force Awakens and introduces another antagonist force in an already convoluted and confusing sociopolitical world that wasn’t fleshed out as it was.

Again, your beef with that choice should be aimed at Abrams.

Panakin said:

DigMod said:

The only way I’d say you could please (most) everyone is a project that mimicked the choose your own adventure like what I understand Black Mirror Bandersnatch did.

This is Star Wars not Goosebumps

Abrams’ films were childish and horrific… maybe it is Goosebumps! 😜