Frame interpolation? Frame interpolation?
We went over this already, it won’t work. It just looks obviously slowed down, rather than helping with the pacing.
Yeah… You could possibly repeat shots, but that would still be a bit of a stretch…
Has anyone considered cutting the Palpatine hologram call to General Pryde from later in the movie? Then reusing that footage for a Palpatine return message to Pryde earlier on, almost like he’s in on it. (Pryde almost does just show up out of nowhere)
That could work, though I think Pryde was elevated partially because of the animosity between Supreme Leader Kylo Ren and General Hux, especially after Hux’s failures and attempted assassination of Kylo…
Which also gives Hux motivation to aid the Resistance against Kylo and Pryde.
(If only more of that was laid out in the film…)
That’s what the DVD should’ve done.
It helps solidify that this was a “plan”. It’s so hard, for me at least, to just get the “suddenly Palpatine” aspect. That’s part of why I put Kylo’s trip to Exegol in Force Awakens and the message in Last Jedi. I wanted it to be a trilogy, not just a random new thing.
Imagine if they had put it on the DVD/BD as a bonus feature…
I wish there was clean audio of the message without music or Fortnite SFX. I feel that’s half of what prevents it from being mixed into scenes where it could fit best.
I dunno, I disagree. They talk about the Intel from Hux as confirming the broadcast, not the first they’re hearing of it. I also don’t feel it’s redundant because everyone already knows the information, if anything the second broadcast is the redundant one. But ¯_(ツ)_/¯ of y’all don’t wanna use it, don’t use it. The first act of The Rise of Skywalker was designed with that broadcast having already taken place. I was just trying to suggest a place where it would make sense, rather than having major plot points that motivate the opening actions of the characters take place off-screen.
They don’t really comment on anything about the hopelessness of Luke being gone and the joy of being alive. They also don’t comment on Snoke being dead, or Kylo being alive, or several other major plot points.
Like, they did not stop the First Order at all, or even give them a setback. There isn’t need to comment on it until they can regroup and start investigating it.
Not having the message at all feels… convenient. It’s just as unbelievable in the theatrical releases, but now as an audience we don’t have the evidence of his return that our heroes have (even if we do see Palpatine with Kylo). It’s such a strange plot point, to have a galaxy-wide message that forces the entire galaxy back into fearful submission, and on top of that not even include it into the films. As odd as it may be that people wait a bit to talk about the message onscreen, it’s more odd to not have the message at all.
Also, the doubt expressed at the beginning of Rise of Skywalker helps support the lack of them immediately talking about the message at the end of Last Jedi.
<Insert Kylo your still holding on Meme.>
Here you go:
Seriously though, I agree with you. I just don’t see the purpose of Palpatine’s message. It isn’t necessary at all, and it doesn’t improve the movie in any way.
I really liked putting in into the ending of Last Jedi, when they’re searching for transmissions from allies. That helps make Leia’s “The Spark is out” line more crestfallen, and Luke’s appearance/apparition more heroic.
I saw that change you made, but I don’t think it works. It’s just weird that no one is surprised by it, and no one comments on it for the rest of the movie. I think the message would be best left out.
That’s fair, though they all look horriefied and Leia says “the spark [of hope] is out.” Then Luke shows up and they have a lot of other things to worry about through the end of the film. Then the next movie starts with Poe and Finn investigating.
<Insert Kylo your still holding on Meme.>
Here you go:
Seriously though, I agree with you. I just don’t see the purpose of Palpatine’s message. It isn’t necessary at all, and it doesn’t improve the movie in any way.
I really liked putting in into the ending of Last Jedi, when they’re searching for transmissions from allies. That helps make Leia’s “The Spark is out” line more crestfallen, and Luke’s appearance/apparition more heroic.
I know I’m banging on about Palpatine’s message, but I really like llFanEditore’s mockup of it. Any chance it can be considered for this edit?
I missed that idea. Where was he wanting to put it? The actual message is online, so it wouldn’t be hard to insert it back, except it has music burned into the audio.
This guy explains it better than I can (he does good commentary on movies, btw):
lol
Generally I agree though that TLJ’s biggest problem is the Bathos. I’m tempted to make a more conservative edit that just cuts down on some of the weird jokes, but that keeps mostly everything else intact. And even then, I’d still keep the jokes that don’t undermine the story.
I’m not a huge fan of conservative edits, though. If you’re only making minor changes to a movie that doesn’t fundamentally alter the experience, the purist in me would rather just watch the definitive cut of the movie.
My edits are largely conservative, but it was about making all three more cohesive. So there were more dramatic cuts and changes to Rise of Skywalker, whereas more minor changes to the other two films (adding scenes or dialogue to set up Rise, etc.)
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Sequel-Trilogy-Special-Edition-StormPilot/id/75425
As far as Leia being one of the prime people that aids Rey on Exegol, that may be a difficult change to make. I did add Leia into the Force voices in my edit, but I’m not using the visual ghosts a showing up. That seems like a lot more work to add, but I agree it would’ve been nice.
For the saber toss, I remember there was a much more dramatic take of that from the documentary. It seamed to really fit with the TFA ending. The issue was the string holding the saber being visible, and that Luke’s hand was pre-CG.
I don’t think I’ve seen that. Wou1d there be a way to intercut the two with minimal VFX to change the take? Or is it BTS of them filming the shot?
You could potentially use the Falcon going to Ahch-To (reusing TFA footage), have Rey and Luke’s talk, move the Dejarik scene from the beginning to between the outdoor chat and the flashback to show where Poe/Finn are at during, then have them travel to Pasaana.
This way you still get Rey feeling uneasy and cut off, you reveal Rey’s misgivings (maybe more vaguely about the dark side rather than about parentage), she can receive the lightsaber, and know the stakes for Leia deciding to train her. Might give more weight to the scenes with Leia, knowing those stakes earlier.
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You could have the Ahch-To scene (sans burning TIE) near the beginning, possibly even tying it into Rey’s training somehow. That way Luke can still give it to her…
Unless you plan to get rid of Rey attempting to give Luke’s Saber to Leia, to give the impression Rey has both sabers for the entirety of the film?
How are you handling that sequence in Rise then? If the Saber isn’t tossed in Last Jedi, there’s no reason for her to toss it again, spurring Luke to appear.
Does Rey still travel to Ahch-To? I know that TIE has already survived complete destruction once before, but it’s less plausible for Rey to escape Ahch-To after burning it. And then Rey flies a damaged X-Wing to Exegol, Kylo walks by it, and Rey leaves in it and arrives back at Ajan Kloss in it.
If you can successfully adjust all that, I’d be really curious as to how (I have separate issues with Rey using his X-Wing and destroying the same ship twice).
Well, his crashed ship is still functional, and his conflicted feelings about it just emphasise that he let Han die. Because if he regretted or was even conflicted about his decision, he wouldn’t have cut himself off from the Force so completely. Toning down Luke’s “giving up completely” only makes him more of a villain.
I feel like the saber should still be tossed. Nothing has changed for him to be conflicted about the decision he made years ago. He doesn’t know about Han yet, he doesn’t know Leia is in danger, and believes Kylo is beyond redemption.
Changing the music cues to make it seem less like a joke, and removing the scene from Force Awakens might better achieve what you’re looking to accomplish.
Luke needs motivation for his conflict, more than a strange kid bringing him something he lost 30+ years ago after he got rid of the one he built for himself. If you want to have him more conflicted, I’d recommend re-inserting the “Luke Takes a Moment” deleted scene.
She had a bump, just lots of clothing draped around her.
Ahsoka’s Walkabout arc in The Clone Wars takes place as Anakin is leaving, and prior to The Bad Batch arc.
The Bad Batch arc of The Clone Wars takes place six months before Revenge of the Sith, Padmé has a slight bump then as well (even tries to tell him then).
The Siege of Mandalore arc takes place simultaneously with Revenge of the Sith, and also doesn’t take place over the course of several months.
Before you talk about how recent this season of Clone Wars is, remember that The Bad Batch was pitched by George Lucas, who approved the original scripts and timeline before the Disney buyout of Lucasfilm (though the scene with Padmé was a later addition). Ahsoka’s Walkabout as well, and was one of the people who said Han should be replaced with Nyx, and then Lando and Nyx both were replaced by the Martez sisters more recently.
Revenge of the Sith takes place over the course of about a week or so. She’s been hiding her pregnancy, and Anakin had been away from home or about six months. The twins might’ve been slightly premature, but Revenge of the Sith doesn’t stretch out for months.
1 know what the film intended…I thought we were talking about the fan edit.
I like the cruel irony of it, but I don’t know if the rest of the film supports it. You’d have to create new dialogue between her and Luke on Ahch-To to solidify her recognition and guilt. It should be doable, and I could help create the lines of people told me what lines to use. I haven’t gone back into the films for a hot minute and would need a refresher.
Dude, you’re the one that will not stop. Please stop. If you don’t have an idea or a solution to what sparked people talking about The Last Jedi, you don’t need to reply.
