JakeRyan17

StarkillerAG said:

Movies Remastered said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I would argue that was by design. In life, things don’t happen in such a perfect order. I think he was trying to make the characters more fleshed out, especially as they had so little depth or development in The Force Awakens.

Well, movies aren’t real life. It’s like complaining about how nobody sneezes in Jurassic Park, or how nobody goes to the bathroom in Avengers. That sort of awkward stuff is typically removed in movies to increase tension. As a third-person observer, stupid jokes and awkward humor can kill tension flat.

The Diplodocus sneezes in Jurassic Park and iron man pees in his suit 😉

Goddammit MR, you ruined my point! 😉

Although technically, those were just one off gag sequences, and didn’t interfere with the tension of the movie. I was just contrasting that to TLJ’s nonstop use of bathos.

Others disagree with you, can we move on now?

Getting stuck doesn’t really solve why they can’t build a new navigation tower, or why each ship wasn’t individually equipped to navigate since the capital ship was. It also doesn’t explain how the Resistance ships can navigate with no issue, including their capital ships that arrive.

The entire conceit is full of logic holes.

regularjoe said:

Generally agree about the time lock tied in with the beacon.
However.
They have 70 bajillion souped up Star Destroyers hanging out there.
You destroy the beacon…um…they build another one. Or two. Just to be safe.
Unless they’re out of building resouces from crafting 70 bajillion souped up Star Destroyers.

That’s a plot hole written by JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio… luckily Palpatine explodes or something and all the ships blow up too? It’s kinda unclear… They do blow up a few by destroying the canons, but the majority just… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’d almost get rid of the headphone drop, and cut from stabbing directly to Leia holding her chest in shock.

That would be a tough edit, though an interesting idea. I think it’s doable.

The biggest hurdle is what now distracts Kylo for her to stab him?

So, back to that original comment, does anyone know how to go about finishing that deleted scene? Like, what all would it take?

Would Finn, Phasma, and the other troopers need to be re-cut out from the footage? Are there any existing/accessible assets to be used as a new backdrop?

It was highly satisfying, especially with the parallel arcs.

Note that this conversation started with someone saying “I know people hate Last Jedi, but…” and asking about a deleted scene.

Replies started with how TLJ-friendly the site is and now it’s just people trashing it even after people have tried to get back on topic. Can we get back on topic now?

Do films have to mimic life? No. Do some filmmakers choose to have that happen? Yes.

And can we not say characters were flat in Last Jedi when there was no character development present at all in Force Awakens? C’mon now…

I would argue that was by design. In life, things don’t happen in such a perfect order. I think he was trying to make the characters more fleshed out, especially as they had so little depth or development in The Force Awakens.

He went with the choices that deepened character arcs rather than Wookiepedia pages.

If JJ had only written his intention into the script so that things were set up, instead of only setting up exactly what Johnson did.

Movies Remastered said:

I’ve seen so many fan edits now I barely remember the theatrical versions.

That’s fair 😂

I don’t know if we can say “beyond what JJ intended” since Abrams didn’t intend anything beyond The Force Awakens. He scrapped all plans, and was reading Johnson’s script while filming.

He should have either made Luke a full character in his film, or not included the scene on Ahch-To. Abrams chose to make his film a trailer, locking Johnson into writing a film that took place immediately after, unlike every other film in the franchise.

I liked the saber being tossed.

It seemed like such a silly moment in The Force Awakens… Lightsabers were never treated as being holy like that before. AotC had Obi-Wan saying “this weapon is [a Jedi’s] Life”, but that part of Luke’s life was cut off from him and he didn’t mourn it when he built his green one.

But Sad/Grumpy Luke and Han being a smuggler again were both decisions Abrams made.

SparkySywer said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I know most people here hate TLJ

I always thought this was a more TLJ-friendly website.

Any time I mention it I still get a bunch of flack… but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Movies Remastered said:

JakeRyan17 said:

What are you using to rip the 4K HDR stream? I have a feeling that might partially be to blame. I don’t have capabilities currently to rip 4K BD. I would imagine if there was an option to not rip the HDR version, but just 4K, or if there was a LUT to control the blacks/contrast that you could ingest.

I couldn’t convert it from disk either. Someone did it for me. As much as I love the idea of redoing all my edits in 4k I think I’m gonna have to stick to standard Blu-Ray on this one 😦

That’s what I did. 1080p is good enough for me.

What are you using to rip the 4K HDR stream? I have a feeling that might partially be to blame. I don’t have capabilities currently to rip 4K BD. I would imagine if there was an option to not rip the HDR version, but just 4K, or if there was a LUT to control the blacks/contrast that you could ingest.

Some of that is due to the NLE (editing app) not knowing how to interpret the HDR, and treating it as an empty alpha layer.

I know most people here hate TLJ, but I was wondering if anyone ever attempted to restore the extended scene between Finn and Phasma.

The VFX to complete the scene are well-beyond me, but I feel it would dramatically help Phasma feel like a villain and Finn have a more fleshed-out arc. It also establishes that Phasma lied when she escaped Starkiller, which makes her more interesting (even if she does die right after).

szopman said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I still would wait to mention the New Republic until the second paragraph. The Imperial Remnant is the prime antagonist, and The Mandalorian is the protagonist. They are who should be in the first and third paragraph, with other elements of the setting between. The New Republic is too anecdotal to the story, even with the whole season. I think you should, like story does, kinda brush off the New Republic as insignificant.

Exactly. We dont need to exain too much the situation in the Galaxy in the opening crawl.

I think the state of the galaxy is necessary, but the focus should be more on establishing the imperial remnant, explaining why no one else is around, then introduce the bounty hunters and specifically the Mandalorian.

I still would wait to mention the New Republic until the second paragraph. The Imperial Remnant is the prime antagonist, and The Mandalorian is the protagonist. They are who should be in the first and third paragraph, with other elements of the setting between. The New Republic is too anecdotal to the story, even with the whole season. I think you should, like story does, kinda brush off the New Republic as insignificant.

Or:

Following the death of EMPEROR PALPATINE at the Battle of Endor, a power vacuum has plunged the galaxy into chaos. The IMPERIAL REMNANT have become war lords ruling over the splintered galaxy.

The newly-formed GALACTIC REPUBLIC has failed to bring any but the core systems to order, leaving the rest of the galaxy without hope of justice. Many have turned to BOUNTY HUNTERS to enforce being about order to the Outer Rim.

Commissioned by THE GUILD, bounty hunters are given an age and tracking beacons to the chain codes of targets. With the promise of a vast reward, a lone MANDALORIAN approaches the last known location of his prey…

smudger9 said:

I wasn’t happy with the opening crawl, so I’ve been playing around with it. I’ve settled on this. Any comments?

Following the Battle of Endor the NEW REPUBLIC has restored peace to the core systems, but a power vacuum has plunged the outer rim into chaos.

IMPERIAL REMNANTS have formed in the shadows. They have taken control of distant worlds as they search for a mysterious asset that could return them to power.

Commissioned by the Bounty Hunter Guild and given only the asset’s age and the promise of a vast reward, a lone MANDALORIAN approaches its last known location…

I’d adjust the opening paragraph to focus on the Imperial Remnant. You don’t want to focus on the New Republic since they’re absent from the story.

Following the death of EMPEROR PALPATINE at the Battle of Endor, the IMPERIAL REMNANT has splintered with various war lords casting shadows over systems throughout the galaxy.

Despite their victory, the newly formed GALACTIC REPUBLIC doesn’t have the strength or numbers to bring peace to the entire galaxy. Many have turned to BOUNTY HUNTERS to enforce justice.

Commissioned by THE GUILD, bounty hunters are given an age and tracking beacons to the chain codes of targets. With the promise of a vast reward, a lone MANDALORIAN approaches the last known location of his prey…

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Chase Adams said:

Honestly what were they thinking when they made TROS and The Mandalorian BOTH feature a new desert planet. At least making it Tatooine eliminates one of them.

I mean, aren’t desert planets more likely to exist? As sand is just tiny rocks?

I mean, you’re right. Most of the planets in real life that aren’t gas giants are probably just desert planets, but I don’t see anyone complaining about that. I can picture the angry Reddit comments already:

“Astronomers just discovered a new exoplanet, and it turns out it’s ANOTHER desert planet. Seriously God, get some originality! The planets just haven’t been the same since Neptune was discovered, now it’s all just lame copies!”

That’s hilarious, and yeah… I think the tough thing is that for each filmmaker it’s nostalgic. But as a viewer, we’ve been subjected to each of their nostalgia. It’s far more repetitive for us than them.

Chase Adams said:

Honestly what were they thinking when they made TROS and The Mandalorian BOTH feature a new desert planet. At least making it Tatooine eliminates one of them.

I mean, aren’t desert planets more likely to exist? As sand is just tiny rocks?

That aside, the reason is because it evokes the imagery of A New Hope. Both were incredibly nostalgic, though in very different ways. That nostalgia is a big reason why though.

It’s also cheaper to shoot on a “desert” because there’s less likely to be any real world interference, and there are less set pieces to believably recreate (bringing trees into the Stagecraft set is harder than some sand…)