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#112601
Topic
ROTS: Did Anyone Else Laugh....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112601/action/topic#112601
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Chalk up the silly lumbering to Hayden being in the suit. The guy can't act, plain and simple. I give him props for trying to adopt the speech patterns of JEJ in this movie. That was a subtlety that most aren't giving him due credit for. But on the whole, he just can't deliver dialogue convincingly, and apparently he can't do convincing body work either.


George told him to do that. Hayden told George that he was having alittle trouble walking in the suit and asked if he could practice alittle bit. George told him that it was perfect, as that is exactly how Vader would be feeling at that moment. Unable to fully use his new body, like a newborn stepping out for the first time.

So don't blame Hayden.
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#112516
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112516/action/topic#112516
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I just rewatched it, and it's a simple enough fix. Just have the tail of a laser blast hitting the wall just as the explosion is happening next to the door way and you've corrected it. Otherwise, I'm not sure why it would explode on Vader, and then shoot an invisible something at the wall, that would explode too.

And the window thing, are we talking about how you can see out the windows behind the 'group' when they walk up, and then can't in every other shot?

If so, how could you possibly miss it? I mean, you had to add the CGI to the original shot for the SEs. When you DIDN'T add it to everything else, wouldn't you begin to wonder?
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#112515
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112515/action/topic#112515
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Originally posted by: Hurin
Are there any other occurences of blaster bolts being deflected/blocked by a Jedi/Sith/armour?

No. And, to be honest, it hadn't occurred to me to think "WTF?" about this for about a decade until this thread.

Meaning you had before, or you hadn't seen ESB before a decade ago?


But, Yoda is shown absorbing Palpatine's force lightning more than once. Same principle?


That's what I was referring to. I guess blast bolts aren't ever really deflected unless on a lightsaber. I'd have to go back and look, but don't the blasts hit Vader the same way they hit anything else that gets shot in the OT? I mean, when it hits a Stormtrooper, doesn't it give off the same flash, or no?
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#112489
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112489/action/topic#112489
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
I just had a look at the corridor on Bespin, and I see it now. I missed it the first time because it almost seems like they turn 90 degrees before opening the door. Tricky... but not impossible.

It looks like Vader is meant to be deflecting the blaster bolts. One shot, from behind Vader, shows a bolt hitting his hand, sparking, then another light flaring up on the wall by the door, although the blaster bolt is never seen going from hand to door. There's also another burn visible on the other side of the door, presumably from one of the previous bolts.

DE


Does that mean you might add the deflections back in or just leave it as this? I mean, it's fast enough that you are just like, WTF just happened, but don't really notice what really is happening. It just kinda bugs me because everything else that is blocked in the OT and PT doesn't like blast off of someone. The laser bolts hitting Vader have the same effect as they do when they hit Stormtroopers, except Troopers die.
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#112484
Topic
***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112484/action/topic#112484
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Originally posted by: Darth Editous
This is one of those things where the editors made deliberate choices about how they cut the scene, and I think those choices should override concerns about cause and effect.


Kinda like explosions going "BOOM" in the vacuum of space. Sometimes we need to learn to take artistic vision with a grain of salt, and I'm glad you understand the difference between continuity/factual mistakes and artistic license.



So how do you know what is artistic vision and a mistake? Was it artistic vision to leave Luke's lightsaber as a changing color saber in ANH in the original, the SE's and the 2004 editions? Because these mistakes continue to go uncorrected, should I assume they are intended to be that way and Anakin had a super cool mood saber?

Watch the scene in slow motion, frame by frame and you will see these are as much mistakes because of the technology at the time as the lightsaber in ANH is.
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#112232
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112232/action/topic#112232
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Here is a grip I have, see if you notice it. When Vader basically gets peppered with Solo's laser blasts, there is all kinds of craziness going on. First, Han is firing shells out the top of his blaster, which, never land. But I don't think they are supposed to be there anyways. Secondly, some of the 'flash' explosions on Vader are not timed correctly, so you get Frame:blast hits Vader, Frame: flash instead of them being simultaneous. Because it moves so fast, it just looks like a garbled mess when watching it in real speed. Also, try and explain to me what is happening to Vader. Is he using the Force to block the blasts and if so, why are they flashing like explosions. If not, and they are hitting his metal body, why isn't his suit smoking where the laser blasts would have had to have gone in. Also, his left arm never gets up high enough to block the laser blast, and to fix this LFL basically just has him get hit in the forearm as he is raising his arm as if Han Solo is the quickest draw in the galaxy and Force using, Jedi sensing Vader can't react fast enough. A confusing bit indeed. THAT has always bugged me, but I had forgotten about it until MF brought up that scene for other reasons.
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#112178
Topic
***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112178/action/topic#112178
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I have one, for sure....lightsabers. They are particularly bad in the Bespin battle. The cave, not so much, but Bespin for sure.

Speaking of out of sync voices, wasn't Leia's out of sync in ANH when she says 'get this walking carpet', or did you address that?

Also, I've always thought it would be cool to reinsert the John Williams cues that got cut from the film, but that isn't 'restoring' the films.
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#112133
Topic
Fix the lightsabers (Poster participation)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112133/action/topic#112133
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Agreed. The corona isn't constant - it fades, almost cloudlike, farther from the blade.


That debatable. Much of the second half of ROTS has alot of solid coronas with drop offs. However, I am pretty pleased with the look of the blade I am using now. I may add one more layer of color and make it almost transparent, but not likely. I will have to see how the video looks on screen.

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#112019
Topic
Rotoscoping help
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112019/action/topic#112019
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Well, all that work and I may end up abandoning Photoshop all together for Adobe After Effects. My main concern right now is that even if I 'create the glow' on the still images, if I'm simply replicating the same image on every still, I could end up with a none flickering core....which isn't a good thing. I want it to have life, just a controlled area of life.

One thing that may keep me from After Effects is the terrible green 'cloud' that follows the saber in the fudged effect LFL did. Unless I can some how get rid of that, I may have to do each frame with a mask over that are, and then add the saber effect.
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#111988
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Rotoscoping help
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/111988/action/topic#111988
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Originally posted by: Mackey256
yeah but thicker is better



That kinda made me chuckle.

I think I'm pretty close to what I want. I think I'm going to add an extra layer of glow near the core with a whitish blue color and maybe make the blade longer. That's about all I need to match Anakin's blade. Then I'll start rotoscoping, once I have the levels and layers I want and can replicate.
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#111912
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Rotoscoping help
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/111912/action/topic#111912
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Yes, it is masking the top, bottom and sides of the image. Not really sure why, but it does it nonetheless. When I preview the original file in Adobe premiere, it fills out the monitor. When I preview the rotoscoped image, it condenses it to the middle. The problem is, now I have to re-rotoscope all 84 frames, which isn't the quickest thing to do. If I could get the film strip to save in the correct aspect ratio (I'm saving it as a 720 x 480 0.9 Widescreen, the same that Adobe says the source is), then I've devolped a fairly quick way of doing the saber effect. The above image is not indecitive of the final result. The core has more of a glow to it than that JPG above. My main bone of contention with the OT sabers is that the core loses it's form alot of the times. Meaning, instead of being symetrical all the way around, sometimes it will kinda flicker making the edges of the core ragged. I don't have a problem with the saber flickering, it's the ragged edges that bother me. The only reason that it is like this is because of the original method they had to go about creating the sabers, not because it was the desired effect.

The images I used as a source were from Anakin's slaughter of the Seperatists on Mustafar, as I felt the two interiors were similar enough to be sources. The final result is alittle brighter than that picture and with more of a 'glow'.

But it gets tiresome having to redo the work every time, because the filmstrip never turns out right.

EDIT: This is a more accurate picture than the one of above. For some reason I had clicked off the 'eye' on the layer for the core and glow when I made the last screen cap. Instead of replacing it (so Hurin doesn't get mad), I'll simply show it as a new cap. The problem I have with this saber is the core may be too big. However, I can fix that if anyone else thinks it's a problem.

This is a brighter background, so the glow will be a brighter blue.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/star_wars__episode_iii___revenge_of_the_sith/hayden_christensen/sith2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~glgrimm1/saberglowfixed.JPG
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#111842
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Rotoscoping help
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/111842/action/topic#111842
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As you know, I use Adobe Premiere for most of my video editing. Well, my latest project is to rotoscope the lightsabers in ANH to match their counterparts in ROTS. Merely for consistencies sake. Anyways, here is my problem. When I export the film to a film strip file to be used in Photoshop, the frames stay at 720x480, but the actual movie image shrinks so that it is directly in the middle of the 720x480 frame. What gives? Is there any other way to fix this or any other way to capture the 84 frames I need to capture for the scene on the Falcon following Alderaan's distruction?

This is the saber I'm using. Disagree with the way it looks if you want, but it is IDENTICAL to Anakin's saber in multiple scenes in ROTS.

http://home.comcast.net/~glgrimm1/falconcleansaber.JPG

So, can some one help me in this area?
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#111932
Topic
Fix the lightsabers (Poster participation)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/111932/action/topic#111932
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Originally posted by: Zebonka

And let's be clear, the prequels aren't the movies you want to mimic. At most, you'd go after Phantom Menace.


No, if I want consistency, I would want the Saber to match that in ROTS, as it is the exact same lightsaber. No one from TPM has their same lightsaber in ROTS, the closest of the PT to the OT.

Here is the version of the saber I will be using for the rotoscoping, glow included this time: ( I think the core may still be a bit too big, but that's an easy fix.