Machete order would be perfect for Frink's prequel edits! You spend ANH and ESB wondering, "Where the hell is Ric?" And after TPM, you get a little more of him sprinkled into AOTC and ROTS.
But, wouldn't be half of what it is were it not for The Phantom Editor's pioneering. ;)
Why not check out any of the edits that have come out since then? FanEdit.org/ifdb has ratings and reviews that ought to help you find the sort of edit you'd enjoy. Attack of the Phantom is like watching Metropolis; you appreciate where it all started, but it's maybe not the most exciting choice today.
Maybe by anachronistic standards, but it was a hell of a start.
The commentary is the best part. Unless you wanted to watch it twice, I'd recommend turning the commentary on. I've listened to it a few separate times.
Discussions of fan edit buying or selling is not allowed here, and rightfully so. They are made available freely, and to those who already own the source material. If they aren't, they are acting illegally and jeopardizing the continued allowance of what we do.
Sounds like fun! Frink knows the lay of the land.
Tobar said:
Well I had a go at it. Hard to tell what it is at this scale though. Let me know if you think of something else.
I can't identify the orb. But at least it's somewhat customized now.
I'll make a request. Maybe replace Kirk's apple with something else. Maybe a toaster, or a HAL9000 lens, or whatever comes to you.
Or the Multiplicity poster. I'd post a pic if I werent on my phone.
JEDIT: 
I'm encoding a BR-sized file with your logo thrown in the mix right now. It's not a big deal, but I like having the TCB=> title card in there. Thanks again.
SilverWook said:
And we also need a movie to explain what the heck is up with General Madine's Gumby hair.
For the last time, he's one of them...
ilovewaterslides said:
the "To Be Continued" logo I've made. Here it is: LINK
That's not bad, not bad at all. Thanks for sharing it!
Are you going to rotoscope the ANH Vader helmet in there too?
Hehe, I approve of this so far. There were some great jabs at TPM and AOTC. I laughed when they skipped Coruscant during TPM, in so many words saying that it was boring.
Certainly worth checking out.
I had the chance to sit down and try most of these things out this morning.
The Mace Windu dialogue thing sounds good on paper, though removing it leaves a pretty noticeable continuity error. Sadly, this doesn't look good enough in practice to actually do.
Dooku's death... I'm indecisive about it. I went ahead and edited it the way it was, without Palpatine ordering Anakin to kill him, but made it last as long as possible. When I watched my own edit of Ep3 with friends, I thought the moment went by awfully quickly.
When Anakin kills Dooku on his own, it characterizes him. He's been affected by the Clone Wars. He has become powerful enough to overcome Dooku, and ruthless enough to follow through on it, only reflecting on it afterwards.
Keeping the events as they are in ROTS, it characterizes Palpatine instead, making Anakin less strong of a character. At least at this point, I feel better erring on the side of removing Palpatine's goading.
EDIT: Plus, it makes the act of killing Dooku the result of anger and tapping into the dark side, rather than obeying the Chancellor after he'd calmed down.
I've been getting PMs on and off about this, so let me clarify a little. Kerr's newer LOTR project that I've been collaborating with him on has evolved quite a bit since it was first started. He's in the driver's seat, and I'm really just consulting is all. It's not going to be a "purist edit," per se, though I think it will still lean toward the books when doing so helps the films in and of themselves.
There's no real timeframe, though things are shaping up. It'll be a LOTR quadrilogy. It won't be strictly "purist," but I think it'll be a very decent way to watch a somewhat-reigned-in cut of PJ's version of things. The Hobbit will be most puristy, though that's more of a side effect of crunching it down to one film.
I'd love to have Vader's scream as an isolated sound element.
Thanks for the feedback. You have a good point about the 'seeds of rebellion' deleted scenes. One result of my editing goals is that the film is shorter than I would prefer, which including these scenes alleviates. They give Padme some things to do, rather than stand around and fret over Anakin. I also think the tweaked ending in which Padme lives on Alderaan dovetails with the reinstated scenes where she and Bail collaborate on their dissent.
Ever since I did my very limited and highly conservative first set of Star Wars edits, I thought the lead-in novel titles for each film would make good alternative titles. This one is appropriate to the story changes, as you say. Because none of Anakin's other motivations are really driven home sufficiently, I hope I kept enough of the emotional throughline of saving Padme to tie everything together. It would not be feasible to totally remove it through fan editing, though I'm not a big fan of it, so enough of it's foundation must remain to convincingly pull off the edit as a polished film.
My reason for moving Anakin's (now sole) nightmare to later is so that the audience can first be introduced for his political motivations first. Only after the pieces are set in place do we get the emotional undercurrent of his fear about Padme. Also, re-ordering them allows me to imply that Palpatine influenced this, which is important because it 'closes the loop' of the premonition question. What I mean by that is that, were this not the case, Padme's survival would seem like a dramatic cheat; If Anakin tries to prevent her apparently prophesied death, naturally he should inadvertently cause it in the attempt. Because she survives, laying the premonition(s) at the feet of Palpatine solves this dramatic wrinkle.
On an unrelated note, I've been preparing things this week for Emanswfan's sources' eventual release. I'd love to do a v4 using his work, and have something worthy of being shown theatrically. Going back over the edits I've made, trying to assess whether they would work well if a theater full of people (who were willing to see a fan edit) were watching. The obvious detriment is the use of 480p deleted scenes, though Emanswfan's sources ought to smooth out the difference better than any other methods. Aside from that, I really want to make it as smooth and unobtrusive as possible. I put in a few odd lines of dialogue that had been cut, if their removal was conspicuous.
There are three things for Episode III that I'm planning on changing slightly for an eventual v4. The first is the death of Dooku. I like the idea of characterizing Anakin as being affected by the Clone Wars by having him kill Dooku without external provocation. But, it happens rather quickly, and I wonder if it would be more appropriate to merely remove Anakin's hesitation but still include Palpatine's goading. I'd be interested to hear others' take on this; I have not heard any complaints about the Dooku change, and many other edits have done it as well.
I'd like to trim Windu's dialogue as he and Anakin discuss arresting Palpatine. I'd like to remove his line about regaining his trust. It would go like this:
A: I must go, Master.
W: No. [REDACTED] Wait in the Council chambers until I return.
Windu comes across stubborn and more abrasive this way.
The other thing is to attempt to reinstate Anakin's line, "I will do whatever you ask," as Palpatine has him kneel. This may not be technically possible, and for all I know I may have tried to do just this in the first place. If it's possible, I think it'd be helpful to allow Anakin some transition between, "What have I done?" to, "Yeah, let's be evil." It would demonstrate resignation to his loyalty to Palpatine at the cost of all else, which in turn requires him to obey his orders. It's a subtle step removed from immediately joining the dark side.
clutchins said:
I'm a member of at least three other forums that are not nearly as friendly and even familial as OT.com.
This is what I think of when people around here are informed about the rules:
Any updates to be had? I'm interested chiefly in your hoped-for rescore of the introduction of the clone army.
So, there won't be separate 'regular' and 'retro' releases, but a single hybrid version? Sounds good to me. Give each scene the treatment it merits.
Good to hear. I recently moved from a 7 year old machine to a 15" MacBook Pro myself!
So, are you hoping to finish your PT regrade by the time TFA debuts, or were you referring to test clips?
