I'm encoding a BR-sized file with your logo thrown in the mix right now. It's not a big deal, but I like having the TCB=> title card in there. Thanks again.
SilverWook said:
And we also need a movie to explain what the heck is up with General Madine's Gumby hair.
For the last time, he's one of them...
ilovewaterslides said:
the "To Be Continued" logo I've made. Here it is: LINK
That's not bad, not bad at all. Thanks for sharing it!
Are you going to rotoscope the ANH Vader helmet in there too?
Hehe, I approve of this so far. There were some great jabs at TPM and AOTC. I laughed when they skipped Coruscant during TPM, in so many words saying that it was boring.
Certainly worth checking out.
I had the chance to sit down and try most of these things out this morning.
The Mace Windu dialogue thing sounds good on paper, though removing it leaves a pretty noticeable continuity error. Sadly, this doesn't look good enough in practice to actually do.
Dooku's death... I'm indecisive about it. I went ahead and edited it the way it was, without Palpatine ordering Anakin to kill him, but made it last as long as possible. When I watched my own edit of Ep3 with friends, I thought the moment went by awfully quickly.
When Anakin kills Dooku on his own, it characterizes him. He's been affected by the Clone Wars. He has become powerful enough to overcome Dooku, and ruthless enough to follow through on it, only reflecting on it afterwards.
Keeping the events as they are in ROTS, it characterizes Palpatine instead, making Anakin less strong of a character. At least at this point, I feel better erring on the side of removing Palpatine's goading.
EDIT: Plus, it makes the act of killing Dooku the result of anger and tapping into the dark side, rather than obeying the Chancellor after he'd calmed down.
I've been getting PMs on and off about this, so let me clarify a little. Kerr's newer LOTR project that I've been collaborating with him on has evolved quite a bit since it was first started. He's in the driver's seat, and I'm really just consulting is all. It's not going to be a "purist edit," per se, though I think it will still lean toward the books when doing so helps the films in and of themselves.
There's no real timeframe, though things are shaping up. It'll be a LOTR quadrilogy. It won't be strictly "purist," but I think it'll be a very decent way to watch a somewhat-reigned-in cut of PJ's version of things. The Hobbit will be most puristy, though that's more of a side effect of crunching it down to one film.
I'd love to have Vader's scream as an isolated sound element.
Thanks for the feedback. You have a good point about the 'seeds of rebellion' deleted scenes. One result of my editing goals is that the film is shorter than I would prefer, which including these scenes alleviates. They give Padme some things to do, rather than stand around and fret over Anakin. I also think the tweaked ending in which Padme lives on Alderaan dovetails with the reinstated scenes where she and Bail collaborate on their dissent.
Ever since I did my very limited and highly conservative first set of Star Wars edits, I thought the lead-in novel titles for each film would make good alternative titles. This one is appropriate to the story changes, as you say. Because none of Anakin's other motivations are really driven home sufficiently, I hope I kept enough of the emotional throughline of saving Padme to tie everything together. It would not be feasible to totally remove it through fan editing, though I'm not a big fan of it, so enough of it's foundation must remain to convincingly pull off the edit as a polished film.
My reason for moving Anakin's (now sole) nightmare to later is so that the audience can first be introduced for his political motivations first. Only after the pieces are set in place do we get the emotional undercurrent of his fear about Padme. Also, re-ordering them allows me to imply that Palpatine influenced this, which is important because it 'closes the loop' of the premonition question. What I mean by that is that, were this not the case, Padme's survival would seem like a dramatic cheat; If Anakin tries to prevent her apparently prophesied death, naturally he should inadvertently cause it in the attempt. Because she survives, laying the premonition(s) at the feet of Palpatine solves this dramatic wrinkle.
On an unrelated note, I've been preparing things this week for Emanswfan's sources' eventual release. I'd love to do a v4 using his work, and have something worthy of being shown theatrically. Going back over the edits I've made, trying to assess whether they would work well if a theater full of people (who were willing to see a fan edit) were watching. The obvious detriment is the use of 480p deleted scenes, though Emanswfan's sources ought to smooth out the difference better than any other methods. Aside from that, I really want to make it as smooth and unobtrusive as possible. I put in a few odd lines of dialogue that had been cut, if their removal was conspicuous.
There are three things for Episode III that I'm planning on changing slightly for an eventual v4. The first is the death of Dooku. I like the idea of characterizing Anakin as being affected by the Clone Wars by having him kill Dooku without external provocation. But, it happens rather quickly, and I wonder if it would be more appropriate to merely remove Anakin's hesitation but still include Palpatine's goading. I'd be interested to hear others' take on this; I have not heard any complaints about the Dooku change, and many other edits have done it as well.
I'd like to trim Windu's dialogue as he and Anakin discuss arresting Palpatine. I'd like to remove his line about regaining his trust. It would go like this:
A: I must go, Master.
W: No. [REDACTED] Wait in the Council chambers until I return.
Windu comes across stubborn and more abrasive this way.
The other thing is to attempt to reinstate Anakin's line, "I will do whatever you ask," as Palpatine has him kneel. This may not be technically possible, and for all I know I may have tried to do just this in the first place. If it's possible, I think it'd be helpful to allow Anakin some transition between, "What have I done?" to, "Yeah, let's be evil." It would demonstrate resignation to his loyalty to Palpatine at the cost of all else, which in turn requires him to obey his orders. It's a subtle step removed from immediately joining the dark side.
clutchins said:
I'm a member of at least three other forums that are not nearly as friendly and even familial as OT.com.
This is what I think of when people around here are informed about the rules:
Any updates to be had? I'm interested chiefly in your hoped-for rescore of the introduction of the clone army.
So, there won't be separate 'regular' and 'retro' releases, but a single hybrid version? Sounds good to me. Give each scene the treatment it merits.
Good to hear. I recently moved from a 7 year old machine to a 15" MacBook Pro myself!
So, are you hoping to finish your PT regrade by the time TFA debuts, or were you referring to test clips?
EDIT: Sorry, I was making fun of SuperShadow, when it was Secret History of Star Wars that we were talking about. Disregard!
ALLOL
darklordoftech, you're correct in stating the officially sanctioned view of the order of works. According to the new canon, HTTJ is shoehorned into the timeframe before the SW comic series. On the other hand, the contents of HTTJ have their intended place at a later date, which had to be twisted to accommodate continuity concerns.
darklordoftech said:
Heir to the Jedi takes place before any of the Marvel comics.
I believe that's a retcon. Heir to the Jedi features Luke talking with his girlfriend about looking back on himself two years ago as immature, and they bond over this shared experience. He was talking about how he felt right after the Battle of Yavin. Luke's character throughout the book implies to me that significant time has passed for him. Shoehorning the book into what I'm sure amounts to a few days between ANH and the comics cheats the book of its due.
I'm starting to think an overseen nuEU (now featuring unbridled canonicity) will be more frustrating than just leaving contradictions ambiguous. It's sorta like how, from what I've heard, the new Marvel movies make the world an improbable and terrifying place because New York continues to be pummeled by canonized danger every other week in one continuous narrative.
But, I will just save my mental work for novels and not pay comics further mind. I'm just not a follower of comics, and haven't enjoyed what they've put out for SW so far.
Tobar said:
Modern Marvel stinks.
No kidding.
I'm far from a comic aficionado, but I'm less than thrilled about the character and story developments with the sum of the new Marvel stuff. (To be fair, I hadn't read much of anything prior, and was hoping for something substantial and carefully-thought-out, in light of the "canon/legends" announcement that framed it.) It all feels so unlikely and forced, with no real connecting tissue with the films they are supposedly bridging. I think I'll have to treat the new EU the way I did with the old one: major adult novels are head canon, and most of anything else isn't.
The brutal Boba Fett strikes me as very strange in light of rumors that Disney/LFL/whoever were contemplating how to make Fett work as a sympathetic protagonist of his own film. The story group screwed up with the Marvel comics contradicting Heir to the Jedi, in which Luke says he hadn't heard Ben's voice during the two years since the Death Star.
I'll come back for Shattered Empire, but will bow out otherwise. I just don't like them, y'know? Part of it is just because I'm not a big fan of the medium.
Someone posted a cap of a single page from the upcoming Shattered Empire (not a spoiler) in which Old Ben informs a child Luke that he was a friend of his father's, flatly contradicting the dinner scene in ANH where Luke exclaims, "He knew my father?!"
I'll tell them, then.
The conversation beginning at 10:26 had me rolling at the end.
Ha, now I have an image of Iger's surprised face when Lucas informs him that he wants to direct Episode 7. "Listen, George, I'm gonna stop you right there."
I always pictured Bob Iger closing the deal with Lucas in his office, pouring on the usual sweet talk. Lucas reminds him about the story treatments that come with the deal, which Iger takes and sets down on the desk. Once Lucas signs the deal, Iger politely ushers him on his way. Turning back in to face the desk, he takes notice of the treatments. He pauses for a moment, and tosses them in the trash bin.
See if the Wayback machine can let you peek back at Supershadow. He had them before Luca$ got them and sold them to Di$ney.
EDIT: Supershadow.com/starwars/episode7/plot.html is the address, which you'll need to plug into web.archive.org. It's worth it!
