Hal 9000

I’ve been told I have a Talmudic knowledge of Star Wars.

If anyone going to the Kansas City show wants to do a meet up at the event, let me know.
I’ll think about going, but I’m not sure.

If it won’t work to leave the “reveal” of Han being Kylo Ren’s father until the bridge scene, why not just simply remove Snoke’s relevatory line early in the film? There are plenty of clues throughout that we will understand, without the abrupt drop. Han says to Leia that he saw their son, etc.

Boss Nass is more offensive anyhow, am I right?

That would be too sensible. It really is supposed to be his real name.

Lord Haseo said:

Well technically she could have gone back to Jakku after everything but chooses to go to Luke to start her training. Also in STAR WARS Luke was pretty much forced to take his voyage after his Aunt and Uncle were killed seeing as how there was nothing for him.

And sarcasm is hard to gauge in 2016 m8. I just assume everyone is serious now.

She went to Ireland to find Luke after the moment where she accepted her call. Luke also refused his call in Ben’s hut, and was reluctant until his family was killed. They share the refusal and reluctant acceptance of the call.
Sarcasm around here can be tough, just felt the need to clarify.

I think he was clearly being sarcastic. I think his point was that she was thrust into the situation against her will, and that moment (sarcastically) might as well have been the saber pushing her forward yet again.
Seriously, though, that’s supposed to be the moment she accepts her calling. Prior to that she refused the call by wanting to stay on Jakku and fleeing Maz’s castle.

JEDIT: Maybe, just maybe, someday my phone will let me post without horrible typos of spelling or grammar. I’d kill for Tapatalk integration.

“You underestimate my STUPIDNESS.”

I think the lava duel is great. I was expecting the final lines to include, “There is something I should tell you…” backflips away “I have the high ground.”

My ranking isn’t too different from the norm. However, I’m going to use my edits of the PT films in place of the originals.

ESB - Pure cinematic genius; could watch any time
ANH - Groundbreaking cinematic joy, only very slightly hindered by a dip in pace partway through
ROTJ - Fun and exciting, if a bit juvenile, conclusion to the trilogy featuring a nice subversive subplot of the redemption of the villian
TFA - Fun ride to restart the franchise and set things up going forward, though lacks the weight of the prior stories to an extent; very similar to Trek '09 in that respect, and it’s evaluation will largely depend on how the subsequent films go
COD (Ep1) - Stylized opening to the prequel trilogy with stilted, dry performances and directing; has all the trappings of a Star Wars film with an inescapably boring bent
LOE (Ep3) - Downbeat and somber ending to the ostensibly tragic PT, which is still a chore to get through, with everything falling quickly into place as if the author ran out of time
TAS (Ep2) - Awkward middle film with little in the way of an independent story, plagued by bad ideas and awkward acting/directing

If you’re up for it, I still recommend reading the novelizations of the prequels in place of watching the films.

Yeah, and I am hoping Episode 8 delves into her inner conflicts and fears ala the ‘dark side cave.’ JJ and company make her out to be mysterious, so I hope that’s actually followed up on, and it’s not another Sifo-Dyas situation.
I do really like Rey, and hope we get to see a different side of her in 8, where she has room to grow and be challenged. And maybe some details that will retroactively make TFA’s depiction of her make more sense.

Yes to both. Ric was the chosen one all along. I’m still hoping an elderly Olie pops up in the ST.

I’d predict the film ends with the lead character(s) sacrificing their life/lives to beam the plans to Leia.
I can imagine seeing ANH directly after this, and screaming at Luke as he casually takes his time with R2, and the mission is delayed as it rests just with them.

BmB said:
If not for Rey’s annoying “I don’t need no help from a MAN” attitude Finn would be little more than a Gary Stu counterpart. His ability to fight competently with a lightsaber without any training or force sensitivity at all is insane.

There is no correlation. It is not because she’s a woman. It’s because she’s a mary sue. However, conversely it is highly likely that she was written to be a mary sue because she’s a woman. The current political climate is such that any character flaw on a female lead that is beyond superficial is likely to be seen by those who like to be outraged as a direct attack on women. And we all know hollywood does not take risks like that.

Criticism of these shallow characters is likely to be seen as an attack on women too, for some reason. In a lot of ways it’s perfect marketing ploy. You can’t criticize the film because the leads are oppressed minorities, and you especially cannot criticize those characters. If I say “Harrison Ford was sleeping through it.” you won’t bat an eyelid. If I say “Rey is a Mary Sue and Boyega can’t act” I’m a racist and misogynist. Or what?

This is more or less what I was getting at. I’m glad for the likable leads who aren’t just white guys, and I think the meaning and impact of making that decision would have been more powerful if they weren’t hypercharged JJ Abrams characters who are übercomletent and excellent at everything.

EDIT: For the record, Anakin in TPM comes close to being a Mary Sue. I can think, though, of a scenes en route to and on Coruscant that depict him as out of his element and doubting himself. But I’d submit him as having the same qualities, more of less, that I am picking out of Rey.
Also, if you’ve seen Plinkett’s video about JJ’s Star Trek '09, it’s similar to his critique of how Abramd pumped the characters up to the degree that they’re all supergeniuses. But the lead few characters have clear flaws that are addressed in the story. Maybe Rey will too, in the broad scheme of things across the whole trilogy, but I felt this was underwhelming in TFA in isolation.

Bingowings said:

John Doom said:

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^THIS

ALLOL
I took this to be an endorsement of not posting, and/or biting our tongues.

Looked almost as awful as Dooku’s digital double.

My phone makes interacting with quotes difficult, but Lord Haseo, my point about Rey is that the film gives me the impression that she is awesome at everything, and hardly makes any mistakes or has any flaws. It’s just my opinion, of course, and I do really like her. I felt myself empathizing with her, which gives TFA a huge leg up on the prequels.
And my comment about people disagreeing being objectively wrong, that was obvious sarcasm.

AOTC sucks, but I’m interested in discussing similar and opposite opinions. Anything else just seems antithetical to the purpose of a forum.

TV’s Frink said:
But if you think… you’re objectively wrong.

This is the sort of unhelpful garbage I’ve been seeing lately. And not just here and there, but militant daily efforts that add up to a larger sentiment of inhospitability.

I have issues with Rey’s character. I dislike how she seems to be so strong and capable right out the gate. In ANH, Luke comes across as kind of an idiot, and only later with training grows.
You might point out that he destroyed the Death Star by opening up to the Force with little prior instruction. But Rey shows up able to pilot the Falcon through an escape that would make Han wince, a ship she strongly implied to never have flown before, as well as do things via the Force that Luke took years to discover.
And if I’m playing by your standards, this opinion has been very prevalent following the release of the film, so you must be objectively wrong for disagreeing.

Change her to male and none of this is any different.

I don’t disagree with you, Frink, about any of the specific instances of clear trolling you cite. I just hate to see people being told that their opinion about a set of seven movies is invalid. I think there’s something to be said for the opinion that the prequels feel more legitimate than TFA because they sprung from the mind of Lucas. I don’t hold it, but I think there’s something to discuss there without shutting them down.
Trolls are one thing, but it just seems like we’ve been going overboard. We’re feeding them, really. Let the trolls go hungry until they leave. I’d rather say to the well behaved newbies, “You’re an idiot! Let’s get a drink.”
Carrying this poorly thought out metaphor further, with OT.com being like the Cantina, I suppose TF.N could be see as the prequel era Jedi Council: rigid and blinded.

Can we be the Ewok village? Roast the trolls over open coals and invite others to join the tribe? Eat human flesh and dance around?

I’ve been here since 2003. I was a mere 13 years old back then. The site’s purpose was to get the original, unaltered Star Wars trilogy properly released and preserved. That was the goal we rallied behind. We didn’t require an orthodoxy interrogation to join and participate. When people started doing edits or even preservation of prequel material, we didn’t tell them we thought their efforts were a waste of time.
Nowadays, there’s quite a bit of Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba around here. Someone comes into our cantina and we feel the need to announce that we don’t like them. That is uncalled for most of the time. There have been trolls as there always have, but I don’t like the bum’s rush people seem to be getting lately.
And, Frink. I love ya, but you’re the most obvious offender of the above right now. The more you tighten your grip, the more young users will slip through your fingers [into the forum]. (Hmm… That metaphor didn’t work at all!) I like the humor Frink brings to the table, and even half of the smartassery. But we are painting ourselves as an unwelcoming place full of fundamentalists.

I understand there’s been some trolling lately, but surely we can stop harassing people for giving their opinions as they differ from ours.
TV’s Frink, please try to play nice and let the forum be a little less like walking into the Mos Eisley cantina.

I used a modified version of smudger9’s crawl template for FCPX.

Yeah, Myspleen and FanEdit.info.

Ahem I thought it was a nice touch to get the same actress back for Mon Mothma as Episode III. That was my first takeaway from the trailer, hoping that they hadn’t thrown a third one into the mix.
The aesthetic of classic '77 era Star Wars and lack of Jedi and lightsabers excites me. The movie doesn’t even have to be all that great for me to really enjoy something like this. It’s not part of the ‘saga,’ and I feel it will be freer to explore without fearing it will disappoint us.
Should be a ton of fun.

More like if Han Solo weighed fat hundred pounds.