Well, that’s probably a subject better discussed in its own thread. Way too early to create one for my project; the bedrock of the “TLJ Ideas” thread has to mature first.
Got the 3PO shot, thank you!
Thought you were going to say he wakes up on the island and takes out his lightsaber to commit Sudoku. (Humorous typo on purpose.)
The most Star Warsy thing I can think of, aside from the movies themselves would probably be a musty paperback of, oh, I don’t know, Shadows of the Empire or some other EU novel that isn’t far removed from the events of the films.
EDIT: Woooow, I really just did NOT read this thread at all beyond the title before posting. Well, I think that’s enough OT.com for tonight.
I liked Kylo Ren in this. He’s just after a connection with another human being. Like a recapitulated Anakin.
EDIT: Shit biscuits! We lost DrDre; TF.N ain’t gonna appreciate his coloring algorithms.
Oooh, gotcha. That’s not even the video’s title!
Thank you, Ridley. I’ve got those two audio clips set in place. The only things left from you are the 3PO leg shot without the added widescreen matte, and getting the Leia deleted scene to Neverargreat for regrading.
I’m also expecting two submissions for the “weapon recharged” line, and I plan to pit the three options (including the original line) against each other in the arena of this thread.
Once these forthcoming elements are cemented in place, I can congratulate you all on a truly excellent finished product. I couldn’t be happier with how V2(.1) has turned out. Once that’s done, I’ll probably have to turn my eye to THE LAST JEDI. I don’t have any clear direction yet, as the understanding and learning phase is just beginning. (Gotta GET the movie before modifying it.) But that’s for another time.
YOU GUYS ROCK
When we see Phasma unmasked, pipe in audio from the TFA teaser with Maz saying, “I see your eye. I know your eye.”
Looks like there actually was an agenda in all this ST.
Sadly fairy tales all root in the old world.
Please fire Kennedy
Please fire yourself (from being a poster in this thread).
Someone’s getting a little defensive.
I reckon he’s allowed to be concerned about modern day politics infiltrating Star Wars.
Right, how dare they give women equal footing.
Look, I don’t know how you personally treat women, but as far as myself, and I can only speak for myself, women do have equal footing by default. Any attempt to proactively give it to them feels and seems an intrusion in a fairy tale to me.
I have no complaints whatsoever with Rey being a female protagonist. In fact in seven it just felt right, it felt…casual, which is the best way it is supposed to feel. Normal.
But when you have 3 films released, all with female protagonists and even a last one where you have Rey, Leia, and the admiral character, which all happen to be right where men are wrong, and the underlying tone of the movie is “get off the old world” it just ceases to be “good” femminism and starts to become a misandric manifesto. Male torso is “sexually agressive” to Rey, etc.
In anycase, reacting to a film I don’t like based on its contents and complaining about the creative direction they are heading, which actually I hope we pretty much agree is diametrically opposite in terms of values to what Lucas intended to do back then, is one thing. Reacting to a member on this very community by saying things you don’t like feels like another.
So, in best faith and being completely honest, don’t you fire yourself from this thread. Neither will I. Learn to live with those that challenge your in your own neighbourhood.
+1
Well said. This isn’t the sort of thing that contributes in a meaningful way to my problems with the film, but I think it’s a fair point.
Here’s a comparison between Metacritic and IMDB for each film. (I converted IMDB’s rating from something like 8.1 to 81 in order to match.)
The Phantom Menace
Metacritic: 51
IMDB: 65
Attack of the Clones
Metacritic: 54
IMDB: 66
Revenge of the Sith
Metacritic: 68
IMDB: 76
A New Hope
Metacritic: 92
IMDB: 87
The Empire Strikes Back
Metacritic: 81
IMDB: 88
Return of the Jedi
Metacritic: 53
IMDB: 84
The Force Awakens
Metacritic: 81
IMDB: 81
The Last Jedi
Metacritic: 86
IMDB: 78
Metacritic ranking:
ANH
TLJ
ESB/TFA
ROTS
AOTC
ROTJ
TPM
IMDB ranking:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM
IMDB favors the prequels over Metacritic by an average of about 11%. ANH is close between these two, though ESB is higher on IMDB. ROTJ was enjoyed much more by IMDB, by 31%. TFA was a perfect match, and TLJ was an approximate inversion of any of the prequel films, with critics enjoying it more than fans. The only other film Metacritic favored over IMDB was ANH by a small margin.
Is there a comparable site that has a critical and audience composite rating? I only know of sites that have one or the other. If the results are the results of bullshit, that’s annoying. 😕
I pulled the Rotten Tomatoes scores for the saga films so far, to see if anything interesting pops out. I’m listing the critical reception, audience reception, and the average of these two.
The Phantom Menace
Critical: 55%
Audience: 59%
Composite: 57% (audience enjoyed it 4% more)
Attack of the Clones
Critical: 66%
Audience: 57%
Composite: 61.5% (audience enjoyed it 9% less)
Revenge of the Sith
Critical: 79%
Audience: 65%
Composite: 72% (audience enjoyed it 14% less)
A New Hope
Critical: 93%
Audience: 96%
Composite: 94.5% (audience enjoyed it 3% more)
The Empire Strikes Back
Critical: 94%
Audience: 97%
Composite: 95.5% (audience enjoyed it 3% more)
Return of the Jedi
Critical: 80%
Audience: 94%
Composite: 87% (audience enjoyed it 14% more)
The Force Awakens
Critical: 93%
Audience: 88%
Composite: 90.5% (audience enjoyed it 5% less)
The Last Jedi
Critical: 93%
Audience: 55%
Composite: 74% (audience enjoyed it 38% less)
Critics’ composite ranking:
ESB
ANH/TFA/TLJ
ROTJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM
Audience composite ranking:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
TLJ
Average between critical and audience receptions:
ESB
ANH
TFA
ROTJ
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM
Certainly, TLJ is the widest divide between critical and audience receptions by far. The closest parallel was with ROTS, where critics enjoyed it a fair bit more than audiences. The largest opposite is with ROTJ, with audiences enjoying it more than critics.
The two were pretty much united on disliking TPM, but AOTC and ROTS was praised a little more by critics than audiences. ANH and ESB are beloved by all, and ROTJ was enjoyed much more by audiences than critics. TFA was well received by each, and TLJ divided the two sharply.
I mean, I would have enjoyed this video regardless of what I thought of TLJ. It’s like an “awkward interview” edited video.
Here’s the clip in context. Pretty cool!
https://vimeo.com/247979892
password: hood
Wow, looks good to my eyes! Unless anyone else attempts this to compare it to, I’d say it’s in. Thanks very much for the contribution. 😃
What was the original title? Did SilverWook editorialize on the content of the video?
Saw that video earlier and liked it.
If there were no shot of the books at the end of the film, is Yoda a book burner?
But there is a shot of the books at the end! “If that scene wasn’t there,” “if you stop watching before that scene,” “if you don’t catch the books,” . . . at a certain point you need to stop bringing up hypotheticals. It’s in the movie. “What if it wasn’t” isn’t a terribly useful question. You could say that about anything else in any movie and completely change whatever you want.
I’m just trying to understand the scene with Yoda. I need to understand what the scene is about and what I means to a hypothetical first time viewer who is really keyed in and picks up everything there is to pick up before advancing toward the end of the film. My suspicion is still that the shot at the end is supposed to be a retroactive fakeout that radically alters that part of the narrative in a way that I find very annoying.
It seems that the Yoda scene very clearly portrays Luke and Yoda as coming together to smile on the drestruction of the Jedi texts, with hope that Rey will be fine without them.
Granted. But… ? sly, playful wink
I like the idea, Ash, though I don’t recall the scene well enough to know if it’d work. But if so, sounds like what I’m looking for, as an example. Less humor is more. But I don’t think any amount of fan editing is going to make this movie into the Star Wars style I desire for it.
If there were no shot of the books at the end of the film, is Yoda a book burner?
My ranking isn’t meant to be objective, as if that were even possible.
My fifteen year old self really enjoyed ROTS in the theater a few times and there was enough there in terms of philosophy and ideas at play. Even when Star Wars isn’t doing so hot in terms of the actual movie, there’s usually still some good ideas to chew on and extrapolate from. Anakin’s psyche, the nature of power corrupting good intentions, desperation, idealism, etc. Even if it’s hokey, it’s the archetypal content that undergirds Star Wars. The execution of the prequels was fucked, but ROTS had that key ingredient poking through.
I enjoyed the saber duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan, as well as a masked Vader asking whether Padme was safe, turning Vader into a tragic figure to pave the way for my beloved ROTJ and his redemption.
The Last Jedi made me feel like an idiot, and I think it was on purpose whereas the prequels did the same by incompetence.
I’m just reporting my personal experience, and your mileage may vary.
So, Yoda is burning the books (or at least, apparently so) not because he’s agreeing or disagreeing with Luke about them but to categorize them as irrelevant for the moment. I don’t see how that is communicated other than retroactively after the audience member notices the texts on board the Falcon using their superhuman powers of focusing on every frame of this movie. And that’s an aggravating thing to do, treating this key insight into the story of Luke like an Easter egg.
Assume for a moment that that shot was not in the movie. Please, go with me there, and consider the Yoda scene without what came at the end of the movie. Thinking strictly from that limited POV, what’s the Yoda scene doing?
Thanks for that. I agree… with you agreeing with me.
Can you shed some light on why that (alleged) shot of the books at the end is there? What’s it mean? It seems bizarre that me and you read it one way, and yet joefavs feels confident in saying “of course Yoda isn’t advocating burning books.”
Just perplexing.
FWIW, that Yoda thing was one of my favorite things in the whole film once I figured it out. I didn’t think it was actually contradictory, just some classic “certain point of view” Jedi Master trolling that got Luke to snap out of his funk and focus on what was important in that moment. Of course Yoda doesn’t actually advocate burning books.
Doesn’t he? If you left the theater before the end of the movie, or have less than superhuman focus like I do, wouldn’t that be exactly what you’d conclude? That scene, to the best of my ability to read, wholeheartedly says it’s time for the old Jedi to end and Yoda vindicates Luke’s desire to burn the books after he hesitates.
What I’d like to know is: does what makes you read that scene differently come from later in the film, or can you support it from that scene (and what came before) alone?
And how does that relate to why Luke does what he does at the end? And honestly, does Luke know Rey has the texts and he is counting on this as he tells Ren he won’t be the last Jedi? Or would he be surprised to learn this and say, “Hey, Yoda destroyed those!”?
If a split second shot toward the end of the movie that I missed when seeing the film twice is supposed to carry such interpretive weight necessary to understand themes intimately connected to Luke’s character and story, that makes me a little irrationally angry. Maybe it’s too far removed from how Star Wars films have always done things, especially after TFA tried so hard to match that style.