“Because you’re a Palpatine? Nobody can claim those the Force made. That choice belongs to you.”
I think something along these lines would work well.
It just sounds like Luke is making the force extremely partisan, in a way very different from his TLJ attitude. (But not in a good way.)
It’s your project, though! That’s just my opinion on it.
The only issue with the Ach-to scene
I have is that it doesn’t feel right for Luke to say “the force created us in order to kill this particular rat bastard.” Could this be hinted at less literally? A little more ‘mysterious ways’?
Something maybe like “The Force is what hands us our destinies.” Idk
Yes, I didn’t include that Leia line because it’s already done!
And I’ll note that Luke line.
Here’s everything that I’m currently considering for a V5, none of which I can’t live without.
***Potential V5 Changes if there is one:
Mute hero dialogue right after KoR evil photoshoot shot(s) for a moment of nothingness instead of pointless dialogue (very minor, not important)
Possibly add a line like “Leia sensed it during your training” to reintroduce a hint that Leia knew about Rey being a Palpatine (I still don’t love the idea; this one I’m ambivalent on)
Add Zorri line about Luke.
Possibly Zorri lines to make Poe an undercover cop (this seems to undermine the “reveal” about his past, so this one is a mixed bag)
Open to replacement lines for “I’m a highly trained resistance spy” for 3PO
New take for “very important mission” 3PO line to take advantage of better AI voice than we had at the time
Movie Leia and Snap scene back where it was in theatrical
Nev’s idea to use more of the whole buffalo with the chess game
Possibly add a line from Kylo saying that the dagger revealed to Rey what happened to her parents, as this would tidy up the edges of us uncoupling the two things to begin with in order to remove the compass moment (but in a sort of clumsy way)
If for some reason work was impossible to continue, I’m very happy with V4 as it is.
If there’s a V5 it won’t be immediate, as I’ll want to make sure that it ends up being final.
Hard to say for certain, but there very well may be a V5 down the line.
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The simple answer is that the Alternate version has no story reason to modify the birthing scene.
And I’m afraid I cannot contemplate making further tweaks to the prequels aside from the all-but-ready update to Ep1 that I’m waiting on TMWNN for. They were started in 2014, and even then they were a revived effort from 2005. I’m utterly out of steam for these three particular projects.
This may come off as nitpicky, but I just noticed for the first time in the end credits of Empire Strikes Back Revisited that at the very end, you spelled “unauthorized” as “unauthorised.” I know it’s because you’re British, and I know it’s a very tiny thing, but that’s not how it was spelled in the original credits, so could you please change the “s” to a “z” for the Blu-Ray?
I feel bad that Adywan had to read that.
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I’ve added the quarters duel dialogue removal to my to-do list.
You have my sword.
I honestly don’t remember the reasoning at this point, as it was close to a decade ago. I think it felt more right for the DS to be there due to audience expectations even though the movie didn’t need it.
I think these ideas are starting to stray too far and should probably be in a different thread.
V4 was meant to be an end for the edit, and I thought a potential V5 would be some small audio tweaks or visual improvements, not widespread story changes…
This is correct. Ascendant has another update in it, but its ambition is curbed and it deserves to firm up into a final configuration.
That said, I hope there’s another project for these Starlight-type ideas and will support that project materially if I can.
No, there isn’t. However, if that’s the only change desired from mine, it’d be a relatively easy thing to do as a learning experience.
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I haven’t fully decided for certain, but this recent slew of ideas feels like it ideally would belong to a Starlight-type project based on Ascendant. We’ll see, but most likely it won’t be included in Ascendant itself.
My introduction to Star Wars came around the time of TPM, and before I had my own copy of the OT we would rent them from Blockbuster. On the shelf there was the ‘Faces’ trilogy as well as one labeled ‘Special Edition.’ So I’d rented both versions a time or two before ultimately (my parents) buying a copy of the SE on VHS (the box set with Vader on the box which farts if you close it just right). A while later, I got into this forum and appreciated the preservation of the original versions which turned out to be discarded by the LFL.
So when I play the movies in my head I get a mix of the OOT and SE.
By the time I get to this project a few years ago there are many sources for both versions as well as other fan projects that do all sorts of things visually to the movies. For example, Adywan’s Revisited project which radically overhauls the visuals are very impressive and enjoyable. However, the feel of watching the movie is rather different as well. My personal preference is to retain the overall character of the original filmmaking even if select things the SE updated remain. (If the SE never existed I don’t think I’d feel a need to do this at all, but since I grew up on it, it seems natural to want to make a hybrid personal version.)
So, I wanted to mostly stick with just hybridizing the OOT and SE versions, and that was my guideline. Filmmaking things like small continuity errors or misaligned effects don’t usually bother me. So I tried to thread the needle between the various official versions, guided by my sense of taste. For ANH, I wanted to retain the SE’s improved visuals of certain locations and ships but avoid ugly CGI creatures in the foreground. However, the latter can’t be done fully without sacrificing a sense of cohesion (wondering why so many establishing shots were redone but not the speeder approaching Mos Eisley, for instance). So I tried to strike a balance in that regard. For ESB, I don’t mind most of the SE changes but I removed those that threw off the pacing. I don’t have a lot of love for the SE of ROTJ, so this one leans toward the original version while keeping some of the SE touches. And of course I present both endings because people tend to have strong preferences for them.
I did decide to include a few changes made by fans as well, but only when I felt they were ‘demanded’ by the movies themselves in a way. The hyperspace tunnel in ANH after they escape the Death Star solves a problem since dialogue and the sound design places the scene in hyperspace despite no visual evidence of this.
Then there are fan changes to SE changes. To me if the SE tried something but fell short of what it seems to be trying to do, it makes sense to use fan changes that help it. For instance, Adywan fixing a continuity error about Cloud City’s interior windows which was caused by the SE forgetting to add a window later in a scene where it should still be visible. Or the SE Emperor in ESB being made to look a lot better. (Or me trying to make the Temeura Morrison redub of Boba Fett sound a little more menacing than his '04 DVD recording that sounded literally phoned in with one take.)
Ultimately I’d like the original trilogy to thread the needle between the original filmmaking, noble aspects of the SE, sensible tweaks for continuity with the ever-spreading body of other SW works, and feel ‘right’ to my younger self who was equally familiar with both official versions. Inevitably this cannot be perfect, but that’s why it’s simply my ‘custom special edition’ take which I’d want to have on a shelf alongside the best available presentation of the original versions.
But that’s neither here nor there. At least we have SOMETHING in Ascendant that’s better than the original quick transition to Mustafar’s surface.
Right on, to both of these quoted statements. IDGAF about the drummed up drama. About fan edits, of all things.
About Kylo’s dialogue. It’s not that it’s a bad rewrite, but I’d like to avoid more AI dialogue than is necessary. I’ll have to let it sit and think on it, but it isn’t strictly necessary.
ESB has now been updated in the usual places to address the audio error of Kenobi’s line change being accidentally omitted. While I was at it, I used DrDre’s Color Matching Tool to further tweak the colors for several scenes. Nothing lifechanging, but a bit better since I had to reupload it anyway.
FWIW, skimming back through this thread, this is the most recent writeup of the dialogue that I personally think I’d have found more or less clear.
“Rey….wherever you are…You are hard to find.
“You are hard to get rid of.”
“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it…I needed you to see it…who you are. You are destined for darkness. Rey…”
“You’re lying.”
“You were right…your parents were no one. They had no power in the Force.”
“Don’t!”
“But you did. Like my grandfather, you were different, powerful…”
“I don’t want this!”
“…and the Sith took notice.”
“No!”
“Your parents couldn’t escape them.”
(Rey sees the vision of her parents and her abandonment.)
“My Love…be brave.”
“You’ll be safe here…I promise.”
“Come back! Nooo!”“They paid for your protection…in more than one way.”
“Stop talking.”
“Rey…I know what happened to them.”
(Cutaway to heroes capture)
“Your parents heard rumors of a hidden settlement, a sanctuary of the Force. They took you to Jakku, hoping you’d be safe. But then their luck ran out. They were captured…by an agent of the Emperor.”
(Rey sees her parents get killed.)
“So that’s where you are.”
“You know why Palpatine’s assassin was searching for you. I’ll come tell you.”
…
“Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill a child? Tell me.”
“He didn’t want to kill you, Rey. He created you…through the power of the Dark Side. Just like he created my grandfather.”
“You and I are vessels for the Emperor’s spirit, heirs to the dark throne. That is why we are connected…to each other…and to him. But we can kill him, and bring a new order to the galaxy…together.”
“You know what you need to do. You know.”
“I do.”
I took the new dialogue and edited it into the hangar scene and I’m confident that I can work whatever dialogue gets produced into these scenes without issue. (I didn’t literally just slot together components for Ascendant; there was a great deal of audio work involved.)
I have not fully read the past several pages of discussion, but are these changes something Nev plans to implement in a TROS edit?