Hal 9000

Fair enough. 😃

Thanks for posting a clip. Probably not today, but I’ll see if I can follow suit.

MalàStrana said:

Very interesting analysis by Film Crit Hulk, talking a bit about the PT (mostly Ep3) and Ep7.

I agree with this completely.

I think the straight cut has a punch to it that a wipe would not. Plus, a wipe would eat up frames from both shots, making it more abrupt when you would expect a wipe when something is not so abrupt.
Doesn’t hurt to toss out ideas, though!

Is it really worthwhile if it only removes one kick? I can’t do any editing this morning, but I can give it another look with that in mind.

Darthrush is right that there’s not a forthcoming good way to have Hux react, though that would be ideal. I do think that if the scene were as it is in his clip theatrically, no one would have batted an eye.

And yes, I am planning on leaving the crawl alone. I don’t have any big ideas for how to improve it, so changing it would only be for the sake of changing it.

I’m glad you mentioned it, though. Worth considering, even if the gains of cutting it are greater.

Also, in order to reinstate the shot of Finn’s speeder’s guns from melting, I would have to reinstate the majority of the part of the sequence which was cut. Therefore, the lack of gun melting is going to have to be part of the package, weighed as such.

I’m not able to do better with this idea than Darthrush, so consider his clip my candidate clip as well:

darthrush said:

Per the suggestion of many to revisit my removal of Snoke throwing Hux around after the Resistance escapes, here is a new clip which restores one more line of dialogue before we cut back to the Resistance.

I must say that I really like how this flows after getting used to it. I tried including one more shot of Hux at the end but it just didn’t fit.

https://vimeo.com/272123709

I’ll have to sit down and see which works better.

In other news I can’t get the musical transitions to sound good to my ears while working on removing Paige kicking the ladder more than three times. It’s such a little thing, and I don’t really mind it, so I’m afraid this’ll be one to leave as it in the end.

Because I don’t mind spoilers for this one. It’ll probably be a while before I’ll see it since money is tight.

lol, what the HELL is Darth Maul doing in a young Han Solo movie? I haven’t seen the movie yet, but I imagine that it is absurd as it sounds.

Is the current state of affairs regarding the mono audio track still that we have a version recovered from a recording using a cassette player? It’s not like someone has gotten the mono mix from a print or anything, right?

^^Oh, all right. I’ll do it. But it’ll have to wait for MY Return of the Jedi edit.

Yes, thank you I am aware of both of those things. I haven’t given up on the saddle zoom, but I did not have time to implement it yet without screwing up the widescreen matte.
It’s such a joy to work on this project in this community. Thanks to everybody.

Here’s my paint-by-numbers implementation of poppasketti’s mockup for Snoke’s death.

https://vimeo.com/271892387
password: fanedit

That’d probably be handy. I oughtta be able to do a reasonably close approximation.
Did you alter the speed of any shots?

Minor point: Which do we all prefer? Luke saying “go away” as he heads toward the hut, as in the theatrical, or leaving the line out as the deleted scene version does?

poppasketti said:

Hello,

Another thing that still sort of bothers me is how much Snoke telestrates for the audience what’s about to happen. I love how you cut out the shot of seeing the saber turning, but I still find the dialogue too obvious and distracting, and diverts attention from the tension between Kylo and Rey.

So I took a shot at removing the latter part of Snoke’s dialogue (“I cannot be betrayed…he kills his true enemy…”), and here’s the result:

https://vimeo.com/271774914
password: fanedit

That’s very nice! It deftly avoids RJ’s double/triple/whatever fakeout while infusing a meaningful sense of emotion. Instantly sold. Do you already have it in full 5.1? If not, I should be able to recreate it.

https://vimeo.com/271494997
password: fanedit

Here’s another test with the Luke moment scene, taking feedback into account.

ziggyonice said:

You’re right: the ‘alternate take’ of Luke throwing the lightsaber wouldn’t be seamless. But I honestly think it’s better to have it done in two shots than the one shot which appears comical. This remains the best version of it I’ve seen — better than dropping it, in my opinion. If you don’t do it, that’s fine, I’ll get over it, but I still won’t like it! Oh well.

I reeeeeaaaalllllly wish we had that shot at normal speed, with the same framing, and plenty of runout space. It’s too jarring to be used as is, IMHO, which is very unfortunate.

I just want to bring up one more scene that really bugs me: it’s when Rose’s sister (Paige) starts kicking the ladder to get the damn remote to drop the bombs. It bugs me so much because I’m just screaming at my TV, “JUST CLIMB BACK UP THE FREAKING LADDER!” It’s so long and drawn out, and it just bugs me.

I like this! I’ll try it myself, and will likely go with it. Though, I’ll keep the remote flying past her initially.

Welp, I lied! I went ahead and did a mockup of that very idea. This would be about what it would sound like if I did it for real, so please vet it accordingly.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QaBFQTGmGVioVj2XSztTFHsqeoSJMxhY

natedeug said:

I assume it’s been addressed already, but when Finn says that “Look I’m not a Resistance hero…” it feels rather out of place considering no one had previously mentioned heroes as dialog has been cut. And I guess there’s nothing to be done about the magically moving backpack?

I’ll have to look at this again, since I’ve gotten this feedback from a few people. Rose’s comment and self-conscious reflection might not be able to be cut fluidly.

DZ-330, that’s not a back mockup for the music! I have something to try myself whenever I get the chance, hopefully by the end of the weekend.

The short scene where Finn and Rose “go where they belong” seems near impossible to implement seamlessly with the available footage (and, more importantly, audio). Therefore, the first Finn deleted scene’s line about being where he belongs works but does not now set anything up for later.

MalàStrana said:

Oh yeah indeed, it’s 5.1. But the clip isn’t complete. It’s part another deleted sequence and part the very beginning of the Luke deleted scene.

Not sure how I did that! Here’s a link to a proper version, and the other post has been fixed:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=12vJZ5jfd43QRUE0c0Fqp6EvQ8Vif4lQT

That clip should have six audio stream, one for each channel. If you import it into an editor you should see them all, but if you play the file elsewhere it’ll probably just play track one which is the left front channel.

poppasketti said:

(Hal, if you wouldn’t mind, could you send me a prores file of just this shot? I did this tweak off of your work print file.)

Very nice! Yes, indeed I will. However, I just started something unrelated to this edit which will occupy my main computer for just a little bit. It’ll be a maximum of perhaps two days, but I’ll get that to you!

DZ-330 said:

Here is my take on the rescoring of the “Luke Has A Moment” deleted scene:

I don’t think it fits to use the Han/Leia love theme for Luke mourning Han. Leia, yes, but Luke’s moment should have something else. Not a bad mockup, though!

natedeug said:

Here’s a quick attempt at a cover based on Sherman’s design for TFA:R. I’d need a little blurb for the back. I can whip this up if you’d like, or we can see what others submit.

Not bad at all! I appreciate you doing that. For a blurb, perhaps something like:

“This conservative reworking of Star Wars: The Last Jedi clears away some of the distractions from taking in the story Rian Johnson brings to the table. It will have you laughing along with Star Wars, rather than at it. The trip to the casino of Canto Bight is truncated, the Caretakers of Ach-To are removed, and a few scenes are rearranged to allow the film’s substance to shine. Strap in for a contemplative journey not experienced since The Empire Strikes Back.”

That might need some tweaking, as I am not mentally all that focused at the moment!

MalàStrana said:

During the tree scene I think it’s impossible to change the score (because of the dialogues). Sole possibility is indeed the moment scene, assuming losing the - slight - audio effets would not be an issue (so the score would need to go back to “normal” for the Leia scene, so only a score replacement from around 0:20:57 to 0:21:14… very tricky to say the least ! a 20 seconds motif to fit the mood). Could you post (or PM) the uncompressed 5.1 audio file of this section (let’s say from 0:20:30 to 0:21:30), that way if I (or anyone else) get an idea we could work on a compliant edit version ? (with video it would be better - no need for uncompressed video)

Yes, the audio would be very tricky, and I am okay if this simply cannot be done.
Here’s the raw Luke has a Moment scene: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12vJZ5jfd43QRUE0c0Fqp6EvQ8Vif4lQT

MalàStrana said:

By the way, is there a picture comparaison of DrDre LUT applied on TLJ ? (just curious to see the difference it would make)

See the thread in the Preservations section! It’s a subtle but nice difference.